Prophetic dream warns of President Trump betraying Christians

Alison Pound’s recent word about detention camps for illegal immigrants reminded me of a dream my 11 year-old daughter had last year about President Trump and detention camps, which is shown below.

“I saw a huge pit. It looked as if a meteor had struck the ground to make the hole. There was a huge chain fence and brick wall all around the pit. Inside the walls, I saw guards standing around and other people who seemed like prisoners. I could tell they were Christians because one of them muttered that the music one of the guards was playing wasn’t Christian.

The prisoners were doing work – carrying boxes and setting them on shelves. They seemed brainwashed or like they didn’t really understand the situation they were in.

All of a sudden, four helicopters appeared, bringing more people into this facility. The newly arriving people were like the others – Christians who didn’t understand the situation at all.

Then Donald Trump came out of the lead helicopter and pushed the rest of the people inside and locked the door. He was dancing around and laughing and smiling at what had happened, like it was the best thing ever. He seemed like he was drunk. It was weird. I think he was possessed by a demon. He danced back to his helicopter.

Then the helicopters took off. As he was leaving, Donald Trump looked over the site and had an evil smirk on his face.”

Interpretation:

Trump’s unspoken agenda may be to establish and legitimize government (FEMA) detention camps, which at some point will be used against American citizens.

Michael Fisch

Author: Michael Fisch

Michael Fisch lives in Idaho with his wife and two daughters. He believes we are living in the final days of this age and looks forward to the return of Jesus Christ, who is coming in glory to rule the earth righteously from Jerusalem. His favorite verse about these final days is Daniel 12:3: “Those who are wise will shine like the bright expanse of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.”

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john_nz
john_nz
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November 2, 2018 4:27 PM

This dream of an 11 year old does not align with what others have shared on this website:

Joanna:
She asked – YahuShua why He chose Trump and Yah answered…“Trump is one of My trumpets to bring My people and the people of the USA back to‘LAWFULNESS”. (for a season)

Michelle Gibson:
She implied – asupernatural protection after “draining the swamp” – spearheaded by Trump

Jim White;
He saw – Trump under attack with a megaphone pronoucing “Pray, pray, pray like you’ve never prayed before! This isn’t an attack on me, it’s an attack on you, the Christian! It’s an attack on every true believer in Jesus Christ

Dr. Cheryl-Ann Needham:
She saw – Trump in danger – and a call to a prayer of protection

Sundar Selvaraj:
He stated – “Now you have a new president. In his first year, he is correcting many wrongs that have taken place in the last eight years. Because of him there, God’s representative, it opens the door for God to work in your nation, exposing corruption, exposing immorality taking place on Capitol Hill. God is using Mr. Trump to shake this nation.”

James Bailey
Admin
November 2, 2018 9:45 PM

I don’t see any contradiction here. Her dream aligns with all the insights you listed. I think the confusion comes from giving Trump credit for what God is doing. God is using Trump, but God can use anyone for His purposes, including Satan when God allowed him to come against Job. That did not make Satan a good guy or a trustworthy person. I believe God chose Trump the same way He has chosen previous presidents, each for different purposes and with different assignments, including Obama.

We are instructed to pray for all those in authority over us, but that does not mean everything they do is right in the sight of God or good for our nation.

Just as this 11-year old girl saw in her dream, the camps were filled with confused Christians. I believe the cause for the confusion is they were following a man rather than God. For this reason they were unable to hear the warnings God sent. They did not have to end up in those camps, but they did because they failed to see the danger they were in until it was too late.

Elijah
Elijah
Member
November 2, 2018 6:03 PM

We must be cautious about following blindly a man.
See Nathan Leal considerations in Watchmanscry.com
He exposes very good points why Trump may be quite different than what he seems.
We need discernment, brothers

Marcio Ferez Jr.
Marcio Ferez Jr.
Member
November 2, 2018 9:52 PM

Elijah, we should all follow Christ. However, Americans need to vote and pick a side, or stay home. Personally, staying home is picking a side. Would you suggest we vote for the Democratic Party like Pelosi, Schumer, Booker, Waters? Shall we push for liberal judges? Shall we vote for the continuation of the spilling of blood of millions of American babies? What should we Christians value the most when we go and vote, in your opinion? I am not trying to antagonize you. I want you to give me a good reason to vote for other than Republican.

jerry rigg
Member
November 3, 2018 2:22 AM

Amen and amen brother, that is an honest assessment of the political climate. Why dont the pastors wake up and warn the people? Is not the role of a shepherd to warn the flock when a wolf approaches? How many christian friends do you know that you can invite over and pray about the election, then go with them to the polls.

George
George
Member
November 2, 2018 11:48 PM

Why is it so hard for you people to understand that both the Democrat/Republican parties have been taken over by globalists interest?How deep is the utter indoctrination,to the extent that any sense of logic or reason can’t reach emotionally led partisans
Yeah your ‘vote’ sure has stopped globalism over the past couple of decades right?

Oh..but I’m sure it’s going to be different this time right? 😛
What a joke…

Marcio Ferez Jr.
Marcio Ferez Jr.
Member
November 3, 2018 10:12 AM

George, both parties have globalist interests. Why do you think there are so many Never Trumpers among the Republican Party. However, Trump was an outsider who went against bad globalist trades in NAFTA, China, EU and other countries. He pulled out of the Iran nuke deal and certain UN agencies. Do you still think Trump has been pro UN?? He went against the world and put the embassy in Jerusalem! Of course the globalists will win until the end, it is Biblical. However, what Trump has done, with all his faults and future mistakes, is to slow down the globalist agenda. The alternative has been catastrophic.

George
George
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November 4, 2018 6:16 AM

@Marcia Ferez Jr

Wow what a joke.
I say what people don’t want to hear,and I’m deluged by butthurt Negs.However you parrot back the ‘God gave us Trump to slow down globalism’ lame talking point yet again,and get lots of favor.

Whatever…:P
Enjoy your strong delusions folks.
You’ll be shaken out of it all soon enough,when the economy and global financial system starts to fall apart.Thats what you get for ignoring all the red flags,in favor of having your ears tickled.

Just ignore all the globalist shills like Kissinger and Kavenaugh that Trump surrounds himself with.Ignore his huge flip flop from claiming we’re in a bubble and that government data can’t be trusted;to claiming the economy is great,and the 3.6% govt job number is legit.

Just go for it because it sounds good,and it’s what you want to hear.The antichrist will give you much more of that feel good poison candy too,if thats what you really like.

I’ve thought for a long while now that in the transition into the NWO we would have so called nationalist/patriots figureheads,that would claim the world is saved;because they start rounding up well known globalists.

If Trump gets Obama,Hillary,the Bushes,Rockerfeller,Rothschild,etc locked up will you give him full loyalty?The true controllers of the world are not known by name by the public.satan will have no problems whatsoever throwing some of these career globalists under the bus,if it gets the masses deceived into accepting his NWO in the guise of a golden age utopian fantasy.

Guido Spinozzi
Guido Spinozzi
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November 4, 2018 11:44 PM

Dear George, GOD even uses evil for HIS purposes. However, right now this current president has done much good, according to the Federal Constitution, & being favorable toward Israel! Men change over time, especially when righteous saints pray for them! Then, according to this dream,by an 11 year-old girl, it is imperative that us righteous saints pray earnestly & fervently, that what she dreamt, does not come to pass!
And yes, several of Judah’s kings centuries ago, started out doing much Godly good, but later in their reign, they abandoned GOD & rebelled against HIM!
We will pray that President Donald Trump, with the Help of Almighty GOD, remains faithful to the Executive charge entrusted to him, by the majority of U.S. citizens!

Christianity Is Evil
Christianity Is Evil
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November 3, 2018 11:58 AM

The negative reception to your comment should tell you everything you need to know about political cults.

Marcio Ferez Jr.
Marcio Ferez Jr.
Member
November 2, 2018 9:34 PM

John_nz, thanks for the quotes. Our election here is on Nov. 6. We need to be clear with God in whom we are going to vote for. My number one priority is abortion. There is no perfect candidate, but at least the Republican platform is pro-life. However, if there are Godly people who believe we should not support the Republican ticket, or stay home, then there is little time left to do so.

Jodi S
Member
November 3, 2018 2:34 AM

Thank you, Mario, for your focus on what is the elephant in the room of this nation: the legal murder of human beings who are unable to defend themselves at the time of their killings. Forty percent of women seeking abortion are from a church background–meaning they report that they attendchurch at least one time monthly. Where are our congregations supporting these women with love and supporting the post-abortive with forgiveness and redemption through Jesus?

George
George
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November 2, 2018 9:17 PM

So when Trump ushers in the great depression 2.0,will you believe the reality of the situation before your eyes,or still heed the feel good words of others?

This is why I’ve lost a great deal of respect for many other Christians ever since the rise of the Trump cult mindset.Trump was openly warning about a ‘big fat ugly economic bubble’ that was going to cause a great economic crash,when he was running in 2016.He talked about how when the Fed raised interests rates it would crash the economy.

He also always used to say that the Government data was fake and manipulated.Now ever since he was elected,he pretends he never said either of those things.He brags about how great the economy supposedly is,and now we’re supposed to believe those good Govt job numbers are real now.I can’t see how this could be possibly interpreted as any other way,then Trump purposely deceiving and lying to his followers at this point.

Do some of you apparently think that being a Christian,means you have to leave a critically thinking brain checked at the door?No thanks..I think Christ/God gave us a thinking brain for a specific reason.I’ll take hard harsh rationality over feel good delusional rhetoric any day.

George
George
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November 2, 2018 11:19 PM

Hey keep it up with the negs folks.
Show me just how intellectually helpless you are,in being able to logically defend anything you believe.Trump makes you feel good inside,and thats all you need to know right?

Notice how the post above that reiterates what you guys WANT to hear,gets all kinds of positive approval.Oh but ask you to use your brain for once;and bring into question the numerous red flags Trump sends up,and it’s neg city baby.Lets see how your well your fuzzy wuzzy feelings,and negs help you when reality comes to roosts fella’s 😛

Ed H
Ed H
Member
November 3, 2018 7:23 PM

George,
Unless you are a troll, I don’t understand your pissed off mood. I don’t think anyone on here believes Trump is the end all be all. Is he being used by God? Possibly yes. Could he have an alternative motive? His actions so far do not suggest that. If he is successful in taking down the swamp he could have a massive pride issue. That could be his downfall unless God gives him a humble heart.
Saying we don’t use our brains is ridiculous. Most people here on Z3 are well informed and awake.
God is using Trump, there is no one like him. He is not bought, he is a badass and will tear you apart if you are not supporting this country.
Until he does something that causes me to think otherwise, he has my full respect and support.

Jan
Jan
Member
November 3, 2018 2:22 PM

Trump is playing up the economy in order to take down the Federal Reserve. The globalists thought that they would make Trump take the blame when they crash the economy but Trump is slowly turning the table on them. In due time we will all know if this turns out to be true or not. It’s in God’s hands now.

George
George
Member
November 4, 2018 6:58 AM

@Jan

So hows that going to work exactly?
The president and congress have taken the blame EVERY SINGLE TIME the Fed has crashed the economy in the past.
How is this time going to be any different,except your ‘feelings’ tell you it will be somehow?

Nah..I think Trumps purpose is to damage Conservatism/Nationalism reputation when it all implodes on his watch.They are making him look like the new Herbert Hoover far too much.Especially with this tariff business,which is an eerie echo of right before the Great Depression.
I don’t think that is coincidental.The elite are doing this on purpose,and it is a private joke between them.

Oh and of course theres the main elephant in the room.
Why is Trump blatant deceiving his followers and claiming the economy is great,and that the government job numbers are trustworthy.He said we was in an economic bubble,and that the government numbers were fake in 2016.

Why the outright lies,when he knows better?

John
John
Member
November 6, 2018 8:15 AM

I couldn’t agree more – it is very clear that there is way too much pro Trump feeling going on here to the extent that it means that he is being trusted far more than he should be (I completely agree with James’ comments above) and this thread and the previous two about Trump prove it.

Stephen K
Member
November 2, 2018 9:51 PM

I don’t think God would portray Trump, a man God clearly put into office as a doorstop to allow us time to repent and pray for revival, as giddy and excited about Christians in an internment camp. Satan would do that!

My concern is that Christians who automatically distrust Trump aren’t going to be able to pray for and thank God.for the miracle of his election to office. I think praying for Trumps favor and success is THE most important thing we have been assigned to do at this time. I believe when Trump goes down, the country goes down. It’s important that we pray in revival while we can! Satan is trying to slow down our prayers by making us think twice about putting our faith behind Trump. I don’t trust Trump any more than any other man, but I trust God implicitly and Trump is no doubt, God’s man of this hour.

This dream above, I believe, is a dream from the pit!

George
George
Member
November 2, 2018 11:28 PM

“This dream above, I believe, is a dream from the pit!”

Thats because it’s not what you want to hear.
Please tell me how there is any proof whatsoever,that Trump was put here to buy us more time.Evidence seems to point to him merely just being another globalist pawn,that tells people what they want to hear.

Shall we discount the years of photographs of his laughing and frolicking with other globalists,like the Bushes and Clintons?
Shall we ignore that he continues to fill his cabinet with people with globalist ties like Kissinger,and former G.W Bush stooge Brett Kavenaugh?

Are we going to ignore his complete flip flop from warning about the ‘big fat ugly economic bubble’ and ‘fake government data’;to currently claiming thee economy is great,and that we can trust the Governments 3.6% unemployment number?

So we’re going to ignore all those red flags because Trump gives you guys the feels?

Yeah..I think not…

Robert Bishop
Robert Bishop
Member
November 3, 2018 5:21 AM

The fact that thousands have been arrested because of child sex trafficking since trump becoming president is a great thing in my eyes. Do you really believe that this would’ve happened without him ? The exposure of all the media corruption and other things would not have happened without him . If he is so evil then why this ?

James Bailey
Admin
November 3, 2018 1:13 PM

I thank God for many good things President Trump has done, but I believe the credit belongs to God rather than any man. To avoid confusion, we must get past the seen realm and focus our attention on the unseen realm of God.

During the Obama presidency, many Christians received him as a gift from God. Many pastors proclaimed him as a blessing from God to our nation. Now we are seeing the same thing happening with President Trump, except it is a different group of Christians. This confusion is caused by failing to hear or know the voice of God because we are so filled with so many other voices and foolishly concluding we know a few things about what is happening in the world. Our confidence in what we think we know prevents us from hearing what God is trying to tell us. The remedy is humbling ourselves before Him and spending time daily seeking Him and obeying His commandments.

This crazy mixed up world is filled with liars because the whole world is under the power of the evil one, so we are living in a dangerous toxic environment with death seeking to destroy us at all times, but thank God we have one trustworthy friend here with us, even if it is just one. We must learn to rely on the voice of the only one worthy of our trust over every other voice. We must learn to tune out the voice of everyone else, unless they are confirming what God is showing us directly, by His Spirit living in us and by His written word. I believe this is the key to avoiding confusion.

George
George
Member
November 4, 2018 6:49 AM

@robert Bishop

you’re falling for the deception.
You think the NWO will come with the elite crashing the system, immediately evoking the mark of the beast,and beating the masses into submission.Thats what I used to think too at one time,but it’s not going to play out like that.

satan and the true elite of the world at the very top are hidden from the world.Anyone we know by name like the Rockerfellers,Rothchilds,Bushes,Clintons,etc are not at the very top of the pyramid.So if you see these people being named rounded up and arrested, you will think those arresting them are heroes right?

Ever considered that this is part of the deception?
Do you SERIOUSLY think that satan and his very top unknown elite will not throw these lower level fishes to the wolves,if it fools the world into thinking that they are messiahs come to free us?

The people that head the future beast system;will either be unknown people,or those that present the visage to being anti globalist to the public at least.They will want to remove anyone currently associated with globalism,because the public mind will correlate them with corruption.
So we will get a ‘reset’ where the current known elite will be removed from power,and unknowns will take the heads of the post collapse beast system.

this is a multi layered deception,and you cannot be fooled by what is going on just on the surface

PJbishop
PJbishop
Member
November 5, 2018 12:08 AM

Trump is not what he seems to be, most Christians are not in a position to listen or understand. He is a demagogue, maybe you’ll understand when he drives us in to the depression. Hatred towards fellow beings is not something that lord has taught us.

Worth
Worth
Member
November 2, 2018 5:59 PM
I have recently come under a strong sense that the Trump thing isn’t exactly how people are seeing it. Recently Trump held a rally and I had a sick feeling looking at pics of people I know and care about so honored to be there holding Make America great again signs. The Q thing also gave me a literal picture of a red waving flag and red alarm bell in my spirit when someone I love was talking about it. I think the swamp he came to drain wasn’t just in the government, it’s also in our own hearts. I feel like God is using him to set some things right, but the big picture isn’t what many are hoping and wishing for. We are to pray for him (and all leaders) but I know of many Christians who are hoping this is God’s favor in the natural to answer their prayers to save the country. I believe though that we are on a days of Noah timeframe and God is being gracious. He’s using even this president to separate the bride from the rest of the body. I think the bride is more likely to see the enemies deception creeping up through the Trump stuff. I always wondered how persecution would come in the US, but I feel I can see now. With Trump’s very open rhetoric about Christianity and working to hopefully overturn abortion laws, it is causing a great division in the nation. Then if added stress from natural judgments and other things happen, many Christians will be targets of hate because of the hate the lost have for Trump and the Christians who supported him. I prayed fervently for him to be elected because I believe it was Gods plan, maybe a few years grace for… Read more »
Lydia Hodge
Contributor
November 3, 2018 8:40 AM

I agree also with your assessment. My thoughts of late are that Trump has been sent to deal with us Christians and Jews. He seems to favor both but as he said concerning Israel, “ They have to give up something now, “ referring to him moving the embassy. He wants something in return. He will probably ask them to go against God’s word and my guess is he will do the same with Christians.

Bette
Bette
Member
November 3, 2018 5:58 AM

Beautifully said, and I agree wholeheartedly with you, Worth!

Bobber
Bobber
Member
November 2, 2018 8:01 PM

Trump is the most controversial public figure on planet earth and that without comparison. People either hate him or love him Christian or not. Not many in the middle. I see him as one of the Judges, like as a Gideon. He seems to be single handedly holding back great evils. I don’t exalt Trump, but God alone. But God did send Gideon. We should be careful and watch what we say. Great evil surrounds us. I sense that we are in a grace period of which could end suddenly. We should be in prayer. I disagree with speculating on many different dreams. I dream all the time and few if any are worthy of broadcast.

James Bailey
Admin
November 2, 2018 9:09 PM

Many people have been receiving prophetic warnings about President Trump, some of which have been posted here on Z3, but not all of them. The warnings are hard to hear, not what anyone wants to hear, because we like the idea of finally having someone on our side, but impossible to hear for anyone making the mistake of giving Trump credit for the good things God is doing through him. God can use anyone for His purposes, including Satan in the case of Job, but that did not make Satan a good guy or a trustworthy character. This 11-year old girl shared an amazing warning, confirming many others, yet it is dismissed. I think that’s why the FEMA camp she saw was filled with confused Christians, confused until the bitter end, because they were unable to hear the warnings God was sending.

Danielle Patton
Danielle Patton
Member
November 2, 2018 10:46 PM

James you will never believe what I felt during the 2016 election 🗳 it was a heavyness and a sadness I felt horror over both candidates I can’t bring myself to like trump and I am grieving over all the trump worship I see in my political party I never thought I’d see Republicans doing Obama worship it makes me sick

Mark scheib
Mark scheib
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November 3, 2018 7:36 PM

When a child has a dream, my ears perk up. Since there hearts are still innocent, and they have no axe to bring one way or another

Bobber
Bobber
Member
November 3, 2018 2:24 AM

I think it is a big stretch to assume that these people are in FEMA camps??? This whole dream seems a metaphor. These people are working towards a cause and not realizing that they are prisoners. A hole in the ground maybe caused by a meteor?? Helicopters bringing in people?? Same mindset as the workers?? Trump also could be only symbolic here?? On another note*** FEMA camps are most likely to soon be operational and citizens are already making the target list*** That is those who who are suspect of possibly interfering with military operations. The groundwork is definitely being laid to lock up citizens. Pray, pray, pray, pray, pray.

James Bailey
Admin
November 3, 2018 5:24 AM

I don’t think it matters by what name the camps are called because the warning remains the same.

M.S.
M.S.
Member
November 3, 2018 10:55 AM

I’m confused by the negative Trump comments on Z3. I’m also confused by the pro caravan comments. I know Z3 isn’t a political forum but it does play a big part. If you didn’t vote for Trump, did you vote for Hillary? Sanders? I don’t understand how someone can be a Christian and vote Democrat. The Democratic Party is basically a Socialist Party now. I voted for Trump. Does he have flaws? Yes. He is rough around the edges, was a womanizer…but he was the lesser of 2 evils. I don’t worship him. He certainly won’t take me down the wrong path. Just knowing the left and Hollywood hate him, makes me know that my vote was the right decision. I’m not trying to create division, I truly don’t understand and would like an answer.

James Bailey
Admin
November 3, 2018 12:52 PM

This is not about left vs right or Democrats vs Republicans. This is not about the way things appear to be or the way any of our leaders are saying things are. This is about each of seeking the heart of God and diligently studying the word of God over every other voice. We must learn to tune out every other voice, unless they confirm what God has already revealed to us. That’s the only safe ground and the only way we can avoid getting caught up in the confusion that is so rampant in the Church. The Bible warns about a great falling away from the faith before the Lord returns (2 Thessalonians 2). We don’t have to be part of it, but as long as we hold on tightly to what we think we know, we will not be able to hear what God is warning us to avoid.

John
Member
November 3, 2018 12:49 AM

Is your hope, faith and trust in the One and Triune God? Or is it in the hopes of men who are the opposite sides of the same coin. Discern the difference between easy words and fruit of the Spirit. Both sides will lead us off the path if we are not focused on Jesus Christ completely. We must remain awake and keep our lamps full and wicks trimmed. Time is short and the beast system is here and waiting to proceed once the domino falls. All eyes are on America and “Christians” at this time. When the train derails and the persecution begins in our states, cities, towns and homes, will there be time for us to make it to the wedding supper; or will that door be shut?
Matthew 25:1-13

Sujit Thomas
Contributor
November 3, 2018 2:04 PM

I feel impressed to lay some of my thoughts out here.

In my recent post (https://z3news.com/w/beware-day-trouble-approaches/) here, I mentioned that I see patterns in Trump and modern-day America of the world to come.

Well, I believe, in this post, the Lord has shown me some examples from the scriptures, and here they are.

We come across a certain character called Demas in Paul’s epistles. In two of them (Phil. 1:24, Col. 4:14), he is spoken of in good terms, but in 2 Timothy 4:10, Paul writes that Demas has left him, having loved the present world.

Demas, once Paul’s fellow worker in spreading the gospel, it seems, turned away from the gospel due to his love for the world. Trump, in all fairness to him, may have started out well, but he is not immune from the love for this world and its riches corrupting him. If it could happen to a gospel worker in the days of Paul, how much more so to people living now?

Then there is the phrase in the title, “President Trump betraying Christians.” Matthew 24:10 seems to say that at a certain point in time, many will take offense, betray one another, and hate one another. In other words, “Christians will betray Christians.”

The post is about Trump, so that’s definitely something to ponder and pray about, but perhaps there is wisdom in me examining myself to see if I could be the next Demas who will betray Christians.

Worth
Worth
Member
November 2, 2018 6:21 PM

I would also say this dream to me seems to reveal the deception and veil that Mena’s prophecy talked about. People are so confused and can’t understand what happened and how they landed in the prison. The people are praising Trump and rallying without sensing the lateness of the hour and that the enemy can slither into any situation once hearts of idolotry are involved. In the end it lands Christians in persecution. The girls dream also mentions trump seeming to be possessed by a demon. Maybe that is to show that as he dances around and waves and talks about making the nation great….the enemy and our foe is working through the situation to eventually capture Christians. More like a covert enemy operation under disquise and Trump may not even know it; perhaps that’s why he was jovial in the dream.

Peachey
Peachey
Member
November 3, 2018 6:36 PM

The financial collapse of the USA is imminent. Trump in not warning the people, this is allowing a pit to be dug that many Christians will not be able to get out of.

It is said Trump is aware the financial collapse is coming, and is trying to set up a replacement dollar system. His joy could be the implementation of this new system. It is said it will bring down the Federal Reserve System, and Central banks.

But he may not be aware of the severity of the impact on people. Many Christians trust Trump, and will be bewildered by this turn of events. Trump does not know the ramifications of all his decisions and thinks he can handle anything.

Trump may ask for prayer, but may trust himself. Many Christians trust in man first, then cry out to God to deliver them. But sometimes there is no answer if God warned and warned, but they did not listen.

Those that are listening to the Lord and are placing their trust in Jesus, are preparing. It will not be easy for them to get through their own fear to help others when the time comes, as everything will be so overwhelming.

But his word says, that a God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and love.

Derek S.
Derek S.
Member
November 3, 2018 2:56 AM
Hi James, It’s obvious by now that there are only a few believers on Z3, and in the body of Christ in general, that have heard the truth as revealed by the Holy Spirit these past couple of years regarding Donald Trump. You’re fighting an uphill battle, swimming against the current, etc, when you tell the truth about what Trump was really put into office to accomplish and who he really is. The vast majority of Christians simply cannot receive it, and they immediately go into denial/accusation mode to protect their cherished hopes and beliefs about this man. They have a tendency to re-interpret other people’s dreams and prophecies to fit a positive narrative about Trump, or dismiss truthful revelations in favor of hearing what their itching ears prefer to hear. It’s sad and frustrating, but there’s comfort in knowing that just like the enemy has his elitist 1% so does God have His own remnant whom He has called and to whom He has revealed the deeper truths. Even among Christians, maybe especially among Christians, there are the masses…and then there is the remnant. Those who love the truth for the sake of truth, no matter what it looks like, and who reject the convenient lie no matter how many people believe it. In many ways Trump is a more diabolical and effective deception than Obama, because he pretends to be a Christian and a conservative. He in fact is nothing of the sort. I don’t know if he fully realizes what he is doing (I suspect not), because his psychological profile of being a narcissist and a simpleton makes him a very easy man to control by those who are more sophisticated and competent than him and who are far more devious (like all the Goldman Sachs bankers… Read more »
Richard
Richard
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November 3, 2018 11:58 AM

I need to share with you on love that any person that states that they’re the only ones with the truth, and that nobody else can receive the truth because only you have it and that anyone who doesn’t believe in you is simply in denial and that everyone else needs to accept the truth regardless of how difficult it is to receive and that only a person that believes what you do is the true remnant is probably in the most dangerous place they could possibly be in their entire lives. That statement is nothing short of ultimate arrogance and pride. The reason I can state that so confidently is you did not provide one piece of evidence to support your view.

Richard
Richard
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November 3, 2018 12:04 PM

Now I would like to provide one piece of evidence amongst many that your view is not accurate. I cannot remember the last president of the United States who implemented Financial sanctions against a country because that country was holding a Christian Pastor in prison. Donald Trump implemented sanctions against turkey to the point where their currency was hugely devalued till eventually they released the pastor from this dominant Muslim country. I actually can’t think of a better thing that was done by a President in decades. That my friend is hard evidence to support a view.

Worth
Worth
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November 3, 2018 5:39 PM
I just read an interesting article this week about Turkey in regard to a David wilkerson prophecy I’ve kept an eye on for some time; the prophecy concerns an economic melt down and devaluing of the dollar as multiple countries run on our digital banking system. He said this would all happen after a country in the European/Middle East area defaults on its international loans. Along with that country he saw a domino effect and a South American country went down as well as Mexico in the 2 weeks after the 1st country defaults. And 2 weeks after it all begins the US banks will have to shut down as it will hit our banking system so hard…..and he said there will be 6 months of hell, rioting, the military will have to try to keep rest and no one will be able to pull money from the bank. So I saw how Turkey and these sanctions could play into this. If you read up Turkey is one of the 4 most at risk in 2018 for defaulting on international loans. So, yet another event that the way things are playing out with Trump, could lead to the melt down here in the USA. It is admirable to fight to release a Christian for sure, but the aftermath of the sanctions may lead Turkey and then the US ….and then the world (since the US dollar is all tied into world trading and currencies) into the worst economic depression of all time. Then the people who hate Trump and Christians will have that on their minds as they go after believers. The simple lost soul will equate Trump sanctioning Turkey for taking a pastor hostage as the straw that caused everyone misery and financial meltdown. It won’t be Trump nor… Read more »
Richard
Richard
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November 4, 2018 1:05 AM

Thank you for reminding me about these prophecies. The financial system will all come down and be destroyed one day and it will be a great thing. Whether or not turkey’s the impetus is neither here nor there. I understand it will be very hard time for the world but the banking cabal must end. I think we have at least 2 more years.

James Bailey
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November 3, 2018 12:43 PM

It sounds like you’ve missed the point here Richard. This is not about Donald Trump. This is about our relationship with God. Are we led by what we see happening on the outside or by the leading of the Holy Spirit in the unseen realm? Are we led by the way things appear to be or by the way God has revealed to us in His word and by His Spirit. And yes, His truths are absolutely the truth, even when it causes others to misunderstand and get confused. It is sad to see so much confusion over what should be such a simple point, but it confirms why the Bible tells us a great falling away from the faith is coming before the Lord returns and why this little girl saw the Christians in that camp were all confused.

Marcio Ferez Jr.
Marcio Ferez Jr.
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November 3, 2018 9:55 AM

Derek, so I take it you are voting for the Democratic Party even by not voting for the Republican Party because you prefer Obama’s legacy over your suspicions of Trump? Trump is a Cyrus and not a David. However, if your choice to vote was for Saul or David, and you knew already that David would sin with Bathsheba and also try to count the number of Israelites and cause a plague and death of thousands of them, would you then vote for Saul? Judge like Solomon, man.

Derek S.
Derek S.
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November 3, 2018 12:25 PM

Marcio…you sound like you’re locked in that prison of left/right or Democrat/Republican and so you assume I’m also locked in there with you. I am not. Obama is the antichrist and therefore knowingly and willingly evil. Trump is a narcissistic simpleton who is being manipulated and directed into whatever direction his handlers want him to go. I no longer vote. It’s like trying to vote in Sodom and Gomorrah…all the choices are bad ones. The best solution is to pray and leave the place behind and never look back. Which I have done. I left the US four years ago and will not be returning.

Marcio Ferez Jr.
Marcio Ferez Jr.
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November 3, 2018 1:07 PM

Derek, God bless you for leaving Sodom and Gomorrah, but what about those still here? So your solution for us is to not vote. Then for the Arizona Christians, in your view, stay home as the Democratic nominee Kyrsten Synema is on the verge of winning the Senate race. She is for the Obama agenda and has summoned the support of declared witches.

https://observer.com/2018/10/arizona-congresswoman-kyrsten-sinema-witchcraft-iraq-war/

Derek S.
Derek S.
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November 4, 2018 11:58 AM

Marcio…you are bound to do what the Holy Spirit convicts you to do so that you are not found to have sinned against your conscience. I have done the same. I’m not counseling everyone to leave, nor am I counseling everyone to stop voting. That was my own personal calling and conviction. What you do is between you and the Lord, because only you and He truly know what He has placed on your heart to do.
I am only counseling those to whom the Lord has already spoken about these things and placed on their hearts to get out of the USA before 2021. For those who do not have eyes to see or ears to hear this, perhaps their calling is different from my own. The body of Christ has many parts, all working in their own way and doing what they are called to do. Many functions, many destinies, many callings…but still one body. Let’s give each other the freedom in the Holy Spirit to pursue our individual callings without trying to force others to think and/or act as we do, or to condemn them for having a different calling or destiny than our own. Each one sees and understands as he or she is given to see and understand from the Lord.

Marcio Ferez Jr.
Marcio Ferez Jr.
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November 4, 2018 12:59 PM

Derek, I have no problem with you leaving the U.S. or not voting from there, but your situation does not apply to those Christians who are still here. We are still under a God given democracy in which we have the duty to vote. When you promote an Obama AND Trump animosity with a position of a no vote, that doesn’t help us when the reason we have had a reprieve WAS because Christians prayed and voted for Trump. An American Christian here who does not vote, although being able to, IS a de facto vote for a globalist, communist, Satanic agenda. Fence sitting for Christians here is not an acceptable option. May God keep you safe in your journey. For some Christians still here:

“I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.”
Revelation 3:15-17 NKJV

“Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.”
James 4:17

Derek S.
Derek S.
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November 5, 2018 12:41 AM

Marcio…I won’t comment further so as not to belabor this discussion. I will end it by stating that Trump is part and parcel of the globalist, communist, Satanic agenda. He is simply from the right hand path as opposed to the left hand path. They fund and use both sides to further their agenda. It’s like a political pendulum that swings back and forth and incrementally furthers the Satanic one world agenda. Both sides are cold…there is no “hot” side remaining to American believers. It’s all over but the crying at this point, sadly.

Jinny
Jinny
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November 4, 2018 11:45 AM

DEREK S. ….. I read a Christian testimony where Jesus told her in a strong voice ”Donald Trump is NOT a Cyrus”. I am British and like a lot of Brits we don’t believe D.T. came to ”save” America but that he is working for the Cabal and fooling a lot of Christians. All my American Christian friends will not accept that D.T. is not a Christian!!! They can’t even see that his promises are false and that he is a liar in the end. I don’t even live in America and yet I and other Brits can see through him.

Derek S.
Derek S.
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November 5, 2018 12:37 AM

Hi Jinny…I believe you and your friends are seeing things clearly, whereas most American believers are deceived about Trump. There’s a huge disinformation machine running 24/7 in the US and it has fooled many Christians. Sometimes it takes someone outside the fence to see what is clearly happening. May your perspective spread to many other American believers so that this deception doesn’t catch so many by surprise.

James Bailey
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November 3, 2018 5:21 AM

Thanks Derek S.

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