In 1980, Ken Peters had a long, detailed dream about the coming tribulation period. This article provides the transcript and video of his amazing testimony. I took the liberty of moving a few of his comments to organize them by topic so the transcript is not exactly the same as the video.
Today, Ken Peters and his wife Tonya are Senior Elders at the The Gathering @ Corona, which is an Apostolic Prophetic Reformation church.
There have been rumors circulating that Ken Peters no longer believes his own dream. However, I received an email from him stating, “Dear brother please post for me that I stand behind the dream completely, never have recanted.” The IP address for the email matched the area where his church is located. I also spoke with Stan Johnson, founder of The Prophecy Club, which is where Ken Peters shared this testimony. Stan told me to his knowledge Ken never shared this testimony publicly before or after this recording. Even the day he shared it Ken was not sure if he would be able to do it because the memories were so disturbing. Stan said Ken never told him he had recanted his testimony. He is just reluctant to talk about it, which is understandable. So the rumors were not true.
TRANSCRIPT
At the time I received this dream I was not even a believer in Jesus Christ. I was raised in the Catholic Church but had never personally invited the Lord Jesus to come into my heart to be my Lord. As a practicing Catholic, I had no knowledge of what the Bible said about the tribulation period or any of the events of the last days.
When the dream began, I heard what sounded like a loud car horn. Then I saw people coming up out of their graves all over the world. People were not coming up out of every cemetery plot, just some of them. Even in the same cemetery there were other plots with nobody resurrected from them.
These resurrections were very violent. It was like the earth was receiving a small explosion and breaking open. I literally saw dirt flying. This was happening all over the globe. Those who were resurrected were clothed in white robes. It looked like they were wearing choir robes. The light glimmered off of their clothing. Their clothes and their bodies appear brighter than the sun. Their clothes made the men look very masculine and the women look very feminine. They looked mature but they did not look old. Those who had lost their hair had all of their hair back again. Young people who were resurrected were still young but yet had maturity about them.
All those who came out of the graves just disappeared. I never saw them go up into the clouds. They just vanished.
I did not see one single living person changed into a new body. I did not see any changes coming to any living person.
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MASS HYSTERIA
As soon as the resurrected people disappeared from the earth mass hysteria spread across all the people left on the earth. People had the appearance of absolute despair. There was pandemonium everywhere. There was mass chaos, lawlessness, and fear everywhere. I was able to see in many quadrants of the earth and this was not just happening in one nation but it was all over the globe. The hysteria brought perplexity to just about everyone. Everyone had a look of hopelessness on their face. Nobody seemed to be happy about living. Lawlessness and fear permeated society completely.
No one was isolated from the despair that was hitting the world. No one was hidden from it. It was engulfing the whole globe. I was able to see into different regions and different continents and everyone was experiencing this. It was almost as though the whole world had become like a third world nation, completely behind the times.
It was like every person on earth had just left their mothers funeral. That’s how people appeared. They were very grieving and despondent.
TWO WEEK SHUT DOWN
At that point, all electronic devices including televisions, telephones, radios, and computers all over the world were shut down for two weeks. I don’t know what caused them to shut down. The shutdown caused people everywhere to be alarmed. It was very disruptive to businesses everywhere.
After about two weeks electronic devices started working again. However, everything had changed. The content of what was being broadcasted was completely different. The message being broadcast was depicting a coming new world government and leadership. They announced that a man to lead the new world government would soon appear.
THE NEW WORLD LEADER
The new world leader then appeared on television. He spoke with great eloquence and charisma. He was soothing and promised answers to all current issues. He was smooth and extremely convincing. He was able to solve nearly all problems. He was a consummate communicator. He explained how this removal of people was God’s judgment upon them.
When Adolf Hitler spoke to the masses he had a demonic charisma that would draw people into his message. But that was nothing compared to this new world leader.
Since I was not a born-again Christian at the time that I had this dream, when I heard this man speak he began to convince me. This man was rallying the globe. It was very frightening.
Almost immediately he began to communicate through large-screen televisions that were strategically placed everywhere people met. All televisions were broadcasting the same message. When I had this dream in 1980, big screen televisions were not found everywhere. Neither were 24-hour news channels.
This man’s messages were about new times that had come upon us as human beings. He gave new directives for global peace. He talked about the need for giving up national citizenship for world citizenship. Even though these things disturbed me, I was also being pulled into it in my dream. I began to really think about relinquishing my citizenship and this alarmed me greatly. Even though the message pulled strongly upon me I somehow was not convinced about this new order.
I constantly heard the term new order and world order and new times but I never heard him use the term new world order. I don’t know why.
At staggering rates people were buying right into this plan that this man was releasing through the airwaves. There was no resistance. No one was fighting it. No one was saying anything publicly against it.
The man that I saw on the television, the man that could do signs and wonders and fix all the problems, I will never forget his face. As long as I live I will never forget his face. His face was almost supernatural in appearance. He was almost too perfect. For lack of better terms, he was the most handsome man I had ever seen. This man had everything going together for him, everything. He had kind of a chiseled look about his face. And everything about his appearance was almost perfect. When he spoke, there was a very strange quality about him.
Many years later, I read a scripture about the Lord Jesus Christ written by Isaiah the prophet saying Jesus had no comeliness or features that we would desire to behold him. In other words, Jesus was not some handsome specimen of a male. He was an average, rugged, probably different looking person. He was not the kind of guy that would be voted most likely to succeed on the GQ charts. But this guy that I saw was. He fulfilled that perfectly. Isn’t it amazing that the antichrist would be the antithesis to Jesus? That he would be just the opposite of Jesus Christ?
Although this man did not act necessarily prideful he was very brash. He still carried the ability and the charisma about him to levy people into his situations.
This new leader was not resisted on the implementation of any of his policies, not one. No one stood up to challenge him. No one in America started a revolution. There was no resistance whatsoever, not on a grassroots level, not on a national level, no one.
Television continually, almost daily, explained to us that if we would align ourselves with this new order we would be saved from all of life’s troubles. This is what this man said nearly every time he came on television. The new order was said to have all the answers to our problems and the leadership necessary to bring the change, causing the world to finally become the envisioned globe of peace. This is what we heard over and over.
I began to go into a serious depression. I began to ask myself if this was the end of the world.
ELDERLY EVANGELIST
I ran into an elderly gentleman. He was the first person in the dream that actually appeared to be friendly. You look like maybe he had some hope or might know what was going on. So I stopped him and asked him a few questions. I asked him, “Do you know what is happening in the world?”
He told me that the end was coming upon us and that he had not prepared for the times of the Lord. At this statement, sadness filled this man’s countenance. He went from being joyful to being very sad. He said to me that he had not been right with the Lord. Then he began immediately to tell me God’s plan for man’s salvation. He carefully reached around in his back pocket and looked around over both of his shoulders to see if somebody was watching him. He pulled out a little pocket book, a little Bible, and he began to flip the pages to Scriptures showing me different things in the word of God about my need for Jesus to be my savior. He told me that I had to ask Jesus to forgive me of my sinfulness and my sinful nature. He told me if I would do this I would be given eternal life and that God’s power would lead me during this life. He told me God would give me a victorious life.
I said, “Well, that sounds pretty good.” I was convinced and so I prayed. I accepted Christ into my heart in my dream. This is a very strange occurrence to be a Catholic person, not knowing how to find Christ by the born again experience through the repentance of sins and receiving this in a dream. What’s even more interesting is when I woke up from the dream I could not comprehend it. It took two weeks after the dream for me to become a Christian.
So I prayed the prayer with him. He put his hands on me and prayed some different prayers. As soon as this happened joy began to fill me. I did just as he said. I asked Jesus to forgive me for my sinful ways and to fill my heart with his presence.
There was something unusual about this man because he had a small following with him. These were people that had accepted his message that he was telling them about Jesus Christ.
A very unusual thing was occurring at this time in the earth. Babies were being abandoned just about everywhere. Almost on every street corner were babies being abandoned left in their little baby seats or baby baskets. This was very strange because they were anywhere from infancy to 16 or 18 months old. I could tell there were not any babies over the age of two.
We begin to pick up children everywhere and we began taking care of these children. I kind of joined up with this group of people because they were the only ones that seem to have any peace at this time anywhere in the whole earth that I had experienced.
Some very unusual things were happening with this group of people. It was amazing to me how they could meet people’s physical needs. They would always run into people that were in need and they would meet their needs and then somehow lead them to Christ. No I didn’t know how to do any of this yet because I had just hooked up with them.
In the dream my wife had also become a Christian, a believer in Jesus Christ. We were both hooked up with this man, helping him out.
At this point my wife and I began to really connect with this man and his followers. Some other things that were very strange to me was that things just somehow seemed to work out for this man and this group of people in the most unusual ways.
During the dream I didn’t know what was going on. I did not know that God got involved in the affairs of men. As I grew up religiously I did not see God in that aspect. But I saw very unusual events happening with this band of followers. Food would multiply. Very unusual things would happen. They would pray for people and people would be healed.
WORLDWIDE REVIVAL
These so-called Christians were coming to the old man and his team of people and they were explaining how they once had a relationship with Jesus but had become cold in their faith and fell away from interest in a life of holy passionate pursuit of God. For a short period of time people were coming to Jesus in total surrender. I was able again to see above the globe and what I saw was very unusual. I got to see certain regions of the earth where light rays were just coming out high into the atmosphere. It almost looked like those big searchlights with the flame on the inside of them except that these were very brilliant, almost supernatural in appearance. After I saw these shooting out from the globe in many different directions I was given the ability to go down into these regions and actually see firsthand what was happening. Let me tell you, it was the most exciting thing I have ever seen. It is the very thing that gives me the determination to continue doing what I’m doing right now. If it were not for this part of the vision I would not minister in America anymore. I would move away completely.
Here is what happened. I began to see 12 regions in the United States of America and all over the globe where these beams of light would just come out and begin to shine into the atmosphere. When I got down close, what I saw was mass revival hitting the earth. I did not see any Ken peters. I did not see any big-name evangelist or prophets or apostles for famous television personalities, Not one. All I saw was every day normal children of God ministering in the power like Jesus described in the Bible with the disciples. This was happening on a wholesale basis, everywhere! People were praying for sick people and they would be healed instantly. They would pray for blind eyes and they would be opened. They would pray for dead people and they would be resurrected. They were praying for the lost to come in. What I saw was the greatest thing I have ever witnessed since I have been alive. Nothing I have ever witnessed on earth could compare to what I was allowed to see. This period of time lasted about three or four months, maybe six months max. Maybe that long. It was so incredible! Regions were totally won For Jesus Christ.
What I saw was so incredible that it was almost unbelievable. Jesus said in John the works that I do you will do and greater works you will do. I did not see any greater works but I saw a greater quantity. I didn’t see anything greater than raising a dead person, but I did see a greater quantity. It was almost like everybody was like Jesus walking around doing these works. You did not have to have a pulpit to stand behind to do this in this part of the dream. As a matter of fact I never saw anyone standing behind a pulpit. I think they finally understood the purpose of the ministry is equipping and releasing you to go out and be God’s superstars.
This outpouring lasted for a short period of time and literally in regions there was complete light and right next door, which would almost be like a city next to it, would be complete darkness. There began to be an agitation in the spirit realm that was incredible.
EARTHQUAKES AND FAMINES
While I was on my way to make a business transaction a very unusual thing happened. There was an earthquake while I was on my way to the bank. I was just entering the bank. Across the street from my bank there was a large seven-story building. This was a triangle looking building. It was all glass in its appearance. In this dream, an earthquake hit and began shaking this glass building. It fell over and killed about 200 people. This earthquake was massive. I know from what I saw with the globe shaking at this point that it was a worldwide earthquake.
The earthquake hit and there were multiple, millions of lives lost. The world was completely stunned. The devastation to property and loss of life was beyond comprehension. It could not be measured. Some regions were so destroyed that they never bothered to send rescue teams in. That’s how devastated they were. This destruction was global. It reached the whole globe.
The earthquake caused a massive change in weather patterns. The normal weather patterns completely changed. The patterns for winter became summer and summer became winter. You might have a day of snow and a day of heat. The world was in total chaos in this weather patterns. Predicting the weather became totally impossible. It was just useless to try to forecast weather. Predictions did not work.
Some very unusual things began to happen almost immediately. Crops began to perish due to droughts. I was able to see all over the glow the most fertile areas, the most fertile farming areas. I live at the time of this dream in the most fertile farming area in the whole world, the San Joaquin Valley of California. These areas were totally destroyed with drought and famine. Places that were once fertile were now arid deserts. It was almost hard to comprehend what I was seeing. It was almost immediate. It was like somebody just took things and twisted the whole order.
The thing that was strange to me was that weather seemed to have its own mind. The earth being shaken from its axis manipulated the weather. I was above the earth and I saw it shaking. I saw the earth rocking around like it was a drunken person trying to walk. It was very frightening to me.
I can’t tell you how hopeless or empty I felt after seeing these things happening. Many times I wished I could have just woken up and pretended these things were not really happening.
NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT
Right about at the time that this earthquake hit, very unusual things began happening with the laws. I began to see local municipalities and no longer were the police departments the enforcers of the laws. But military police driving very unusual looking vehicles that I now know are called Humvees.
The vehicles I saw were black and were on just about every corner of every main thoroughfare. The back cans were campus and there were men standing in the back of them wearing black uniforms and blue ball caps or blue helmets. The man standing in the back was wearing a blue helmet.
I did some checking and learned that in 1980 there were no blue helmets or blue ball caps worn by any military on earth.
There was a big radio antenna or some sort of a device in the back of the Humvee. On the other side in the back there was a flag. It looked like the guy standing in the back had some sort of big gun. I was able to look inside and on the inside there was what I know now to be a laptop type of computer sitting on the dash. It had a computer screen that looked much like the airplane that I rode in today. They could look into this computer and it gave him all sorts of information.
What was unusual was that they were fairly peaceful. They were not rude. They were not mean to people. They were not obnoxious. I did not see any looters or anybody getting shot or anything like that. They seemed to be peaceful.
One thing that was happening was you could not cross state lines at this time without papers. Current papers were required to cross state lines. That was very strange to me.
At the same time I saw streetlight stands with little oval shaped cameras on top of them. In this dream it was revealed to me that these cameras new the whereabouts of everybody’s vehicles.
The changes took place almost instantly and with complete ease. There was peaceful martial law. Military vehicles were everywhere. They knew everyone’s whereabouts. I found out how they began to know this. I did not understand this at first until it was revealed to me.
All of the nations of the world became as one. There were no longer any sovereign individual nations. Continents were no longer divided into countries but were divided into regions.
As time progressed in the dream, I was given the ability by being in homes that television sets not only broadcast and transmitted programming but they now had the capacity to actually send signals about what you are doing in your living room. I was able to see the television sets were actually watching people in their homes, monitoring their movements, monitoring their conversations. I was shown in the dream that the television did not even need to be on. It just needed to be plugged in. Later, I found out that televisions made after 1992 can in fact watch you.
The awareness of God being on the global scene was nearly impossible to detect. The global order had no presence of God in it whatsoever. Evil began to pervade every aspect of society. Darkness was everywhere. There was a clear line between who was God’s people and who was not. You could walk down the street and you would know instantly who was who. It was not like it is right now when we sometimes wonder who is saved and who is not. This was so evident. There was a clear line of delineation. Spiritual demarcation was clearly seen.
PERSECUTION
At this point when all these miracles begin to happen this world order became very angry because what was happening was beyond their control. They were not able to manipulate it or stop it from happening. This makes the devil very mad. He gets very mad when we start functioning in the real power of the living God. That’s when he really starts pulling all the stops out to try to do anything he can to stop the work of God. This was about to begin to happen.
I began to see persecution on unprecedented scales.
At this point another unusual things happen. This outpouring of blessing and this outpouring of persecution began to be really stepped up and people were taken. I saw many penitentiaries all over the United States, especially concentrated in California. In the dream I saw many state prisons. In 1983 the Holy Spirit Told me he was allowing the devil to build prisons in the state of California that would eventually become detention centers for Christians. These prisons were being built in rural areas that were normally 15 to 25 miles off of any main highway. I asked him why would that be the case and he said, “So that those people can be taken during the night hours.”
Something spoke to me on the inside and said get out of here as fast as you can. I began to think to myself, “Oh my goodness, it is the end of the world now.”
I began to run to my house as fast as I could. While I was running I heard in my spirit, the following scripture passage.
“It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.” (Revelation 13:16-17).
Now I am running back to my house as fast as I can because I am realizing my wife is there and she is alone. I reach for the doorknob and began to pull the door open. Another scripture came into my spirit at that time from Matthew 24, which says do not go back into your house.
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. (Matthew 24:15-18)
I opened the door to see the most demonic presence I have ever seen. This presence that I encountered at the front door as I opened the door was very dark with a shroud of black around him. It was not his skin that was dark. It was a shroud of darkness around and over this being. This being was very sinister looking. Just his presence gripped my heart with great fear. At this point I began to scream as loud as I could.
Then I woke up from the dream. At that point the dream had been going for several hours. Later, I fell asleep again and instantly the dream started exactly where it left off.
I was facing this very sinister creature. It was very intense and it gripped my heart. I slammed the door and ran off. I realized that my wife was not in my home and that she was gone. I knew this by this presence.
It is hard to tell you how afraid I was. I have since learned how to combat demons so I am not afraid of that anymore. They don’t usually go with me anymore because I know how to pray now. But at this time I had no comprehension about how to deal with this evil being.
So I began to run and I ran and I ran. In the dream I ran a couple of miles. I got caught by one of these strange looking police trucks. They knew my name even though I didn’t tell them my name.
DETENTION CENTER
They took me to this government building. It was a large building. They took me into a room and there was my wife and this older gentleman that I began to call you evangelist. They had already been captured. These people knew exactly where to take me. That was very astounding to me because I wondered how do they know all of these things about people.
They began to politely interrogate us. They began asking us to be cooperative and to come into agreement with this new government and everything will be fine for you. Well, my wife is one of the boldest Christians I have ever met. She is also one of the kindest and most gentle believers I have ever met. But she will get in the devil’s face. She and this older man began to preach to these people that were trying to convince us of this new alignment of this government.
So they took us out of that room and let us in another room. Now there was a lot of mind control interrogation. I could feel my mind being pulled into this new order. I began thinking if we just don’t cause any trouble it will be okay. That is how my mind began to function. But the older gentleman and my wife began to fight this with all of their spiritual strength and they challenged it with scriptures.
It was amazing to me because our capture was almost as though they had planned it out.
When we were being interrogated the mind control was phenomenal. It was not like any human being could do in an interrogation. My mind began to really be slept with anxiety and fear. Because my wife and this older gentleman kept being very bold and in your face with them they took us out of that room and into this very long corridor. In this corridor there were thousands of people lined up. The corridor seemed to be at least 100 yards long. It was probably longer than that. Every five or six minutes the people in this long line would take a step forward.
We had been in this line for a long time when people would barge in through the doors on the sides of the corridor and began to grill people and tell them to renounce their faith. They would never use the name Jesus. They would never use the name Jesus Christ. They would never use the name God. They would say you should renounce your faith in him while you can still live. They would say your faith is empty. It was a blasphemous challenge that these people were bringing against the people in the line. Every so often, someone in the line would crack. They would just collapse and these people would drag them away. They would renounce their faith in Christ.
It made me very uneasy to be in this line because I was not sure what they were going to do to us. I wondered if they were going to put us in prison or maybe beat us up.
Eventually we made it through a battery of three double doors. After going through the last double doors we were put into a holding cell. There was the old man in the front of the line and then my wife and then myself. They took this older gentleman into the room and closed the doors very quickly. I do not know what happened to him.
EXECUTION
About six minutes or so later they opened the doors wide open and what I saw made me experience the emptiest feeling I have ever experienced in my whole life. I saw this man that was very big. He was tall like a professional basketball player but was very big like a professional football player. He had a big satin hood over his head with eyeholes to see out.
My wife was in front of me and they began telling her she should renounce her faith and live. Now I realized what was happening because this man was standing there with a huge sword. It was a very frightening looking sword. I saw this table that was a little longer than the average human being and a little bit wider. My wife said she was not going to renounce her faith in Jesus. She began to preach to them powerfully. She began to rebuke the devil. They got angry and strapped her down on this table with her face up. This man was standing behind her with this sword. So he took the sword and chopped her head right off, right in my presence, I saw it.
This sword left an indelible mark in my life. Later I saw the same sword on the red cap worn by the Shriners. Their caps are called the Fez. They are red because they have promised to dip them in the blood of Christians. The sword is called the sword of scimitar.
I was more afraid of what was going to happen to me next than the fact that my wife had just died. I was more concerned about my life then with her dying. I was very afraid. I knew that I was going to die now. In my mind I knew that I was not going to make it. I was paralyzed. My mind began to torment me so much I almost literally blanked out. My stomach began to shout almost out loud asking Jesus to help me. The message could not get out because my mind was paralyzed. It was like I had the flu. My teeth were chattering and I was shaking with chills. I could not process my thoughts whatsoever. It was as though I had totally lost all faculties of my mind, my ability to cognitively be aware of what was going on. It was terrible. Although it only lasted for five or six minutes, it seemed like hours because of the extreme weight of this attack on me.
I began to really try to cry out to God from my stomach. Today I know it was my spirit crying out but in the dream it seems like a war in my stomach. Finally it was like something penetrated out of my stomach into my mind and I was able to spiritually call on Jesus and say, “I am afraid Jesus. Please save me. Help me.”
At the very instant that communication happened, I felt a hand grip my shoulder. For a brief period of time I was actually more interested in the hand gripping me then I was in what was happening to me. As soon as this hand gripped me I got very warm and the chills left me. It was as though my mind could now see and I could comprehend clearly what was going on.
I will never forget the hand. It was a very rugged looking hand. It looked as though it had been through a great deal of work. It was almost like a man that is a blue-collar worker who uses his hands like a mechanic for a builder or a plumber. It was a very thick hand. It was a very solid hand. After a few moments I turned back and there was the Lord Jesus Christ standing behind me. All of a sudden he looked me in the eyes. He looked at me very sternly. It was not like a reproof or a conviction. It was more like he was just looking and peering into my life.
At the very moment I looked at him, his eyes were not brown or green or blue or anything like that. They appeared to be red like fire. They were looking clearly through my whole life. Somehow at that moment I was able to realize that him looking at me was actually looking through me. He knew everything about me. He knew my strengths. He knew my weaknesses. He knew every lie deep down inside of me. He knew every deception. He knew every place that I was afraid and that I had compartmentalized. By him looking into me, my whole being was exposed to me. It was very frightening. It was a very intense moment. I wish I could say that seeing Jesus at that moment made me very happy. It did not. It made me very fearful. I understand now what the fear of the Lord is because of that experience.
A few moments after realizing my own depravity, He spoke to me. He looked sternly into my eyes and said, “Fear not my son for death will never hold you.”
Instantly it was like courage flooded through me. I wish I could tell you that I got very bold and preached a great sermon and got everybody saved. But I didn’t. It was just courage to go through what was before me.
I knew that he had saved me because of the prayer I prayed with the older man. When I looked at Him I knew He was the Lord of all and the king of every king. When I saw him I knew there was not one me that would not bow to him. There was not one tongue that would not confess him as Lord regardless of what side of the coin they are on when he reveals himself to them as Lord. Every knee will bow. This presents that he stood in was so powerful and so awesome and so anointed and so terrible that you knew there was no power on earth that could challenge Him.
Then these men strapped me down and they said, “You can renounce Him.” I said, “No, I cannot renounce Him for He is the Lord of all and he should be your Lord.”
That was my great sermon. I wish it could have been a lot longer but probably if I had got going with it I would have messed it up like I had messed up everything else.
When this man cut my head off I saw that as soon as it touched my neck, the moment the blade touched my neck, I was gone. I felt no death whatsoever. I was standing their holding a person’s hand and I was looking down upon the scene. It was very grotesque. My head was cut off and I was bleeding profusely. Even though this hand was holding me up in the air I was actually more interested in seeing me dead then I was interested in the fact I had been delivered from death.
All of a sudden, I looked down and realized it was another one of these rugged hands holding my hand. I looked up and it was the Lord again. It was the Lord Jesus Christ.
At this point now it went from a stern, powerful, all-knowing God to a God who was holding my hand that gave me the understanding that now I was his son. I was his brother. He was not a shame to call me his brethren. All of a sudden, I had an understanding that I was equal with him. Not as God the deity or is Jesus the son of God, but as a son of God. I was not THE son of God as in the only begotten son of God, but I was a son of God. There was equality in the sense that we were brothers now. It was no longer a fearful thing for me to stand in his presence. There was immense acceptance. There was immense understanding. I had a clear understanding of things that I can preach now with great fire.
The Scripture says, “Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.” I know that when His children are coming to Him, it is precious to God.
When his children are coming through death it is precious to him. When he gathered me to himself in death, He showed me the scripture says it does not appear what we shall be but we know that when he appears we shall be like him. At that moment, I was like Jesus. I was like him in image, in faculty, in understanding. I could no longer see any of my weaknesses. None of my frailties were known to me any longer. I was completely delivered out of all of that. Truly to be in the presence of the Lord is to be like him.
All of a sudden, the man with the hood pulled off his hat and threw it down and said, “I will not kill another one of these people.” With that the dream was over.
MY COMMENTS
Not only was Ken Peters not a believer at the time he received this dream, but he also did not know what the Bible says about the coming events of the last days. His ignorance of the scriptures makes him the ideal candidate to receive this dream because he had no agenda and no bias for or against any church doctrine. The church has been divided over questions about the timing of end-time events like the rapture of the church. But Ken Peters was wide open and simply reported what he saw in the dream exactly as it happened.
All prophetic words must be judged by the word. By that standard, I am not aware of any scriptures contradicted by this dream. Personally, I believe the dream is from the Lord and that it provides us insights that can help us gain a better understanding of the scriptures than we would otherwise have. I gained the following insights from this dream:
1. The Rapture:
Christians are divided regarding the timing of the rapture. Some believe it happens before the tribulation (pre-trib). Others believe it happens in the middle of the tribulation (mid-trib). Still others believe it happens at the end of the tribulation period (post-trib). Ken Peters only saw the resurrection of believers who were already in the grave. He did not see the rapture of any living person. However, just because he did not see that event does not mean the living believers were not also taken at the same time. A careful reading of 1 Thessalonians 4:18 reveals that the living believers will be caught up together with the dead in Christ in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 NASB)
Since the living are “caught up together with them” we can conclude both groups must be taken during the same rapture. Otherwise, they would not be able to meet together in the clouds. The Lord brought with Him those believers who had already died because their spirits had gone to heaven without their bodies. They have been living in heavenly bodies while their earthly bodies are still in the grave. At the rapture, their bodies will come up out of their graves all over the world. Their spirits will then move back into their earthly bodies, which will be re-created by God at that time. So then both groups, the living and the dead, will finally be together, both living in heaven in their earthly bodies, which will be changed by God at the rapture to make them immortal and imperishable (1 Corinthians 15:51-57). Their bodies will no longer be decaying day by day (2 Corinthians 4:16). It is also interesting that Ken Peters described them in their new bodies as being brighter than the sun.
2. Those Who Are Left Behind:
Among those who are left behind, many will realize what happened and they will repent and get saved. That is exactly what Ken Peters saw when he encountered the older gentleman. Those believers will be rounded up and taken to detention centers where they will be told they must accept the mark of the beast or be killed by the antichrist. Many will refuse the mark and will be martyred, just as he saw in the dream. It will be very unpleasant for those who are left behind, but they can still be saved by turning to the Lord. In fact, in the dream Ken Peters himself was one of those people who was saved after the rapture and was beheaded for his faith. We see in Revelation 20 these people are part of the first resurrection and they will reign with Christ for a thousand years on the earth.
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. (Revelation 20:4-5)
Those who are left behind will endure great trials, but God gives special blessings to those who endure to the end.
Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)
They will live on the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ. There will continue to be mortal human beings living on earth with them during that time, but those who overcame the onslaught of the antichrist will be ruling and reigning with Christ and living in immortal, imperishable bodies.
3. The Trumpet Blast:
The car horn that Ken Peters heard at the start of the dream was the trumpet blast that coincides with the resurrection of the dead in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
4. Famines and Earthquakes:The famines and earthquakes described in the dream are scriptural. Matthew 24:7 specifically tells us there will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
5. The Executions:
The gruesome execution method described in the dream is very much in line with scripture. Many believers killed during the tribulation because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and many of them by beheading. (Revelation 6:9-11, 20:4)
I did not find anything contrary to scripture in any part of this dream. In summary, it helped me to see the sequence of events and the nature of the events more clearly. I thank God for this revelation and I hope it has helped you also!
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In honor of Ken Peters.
“Fear not my son for death will never hold you.” “The Scripture says, “Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.” I know that when His children are coming to Him, it is precious to God. When his children are coming through death it is precious to him. When he gathered me to himself in death, He showed me the scripture that says it does not appear what we shall be but we know that when he appears we shall be like him. At that moment, I was like Jesus. I was like him in image, in faculty, in understanding. I could no longer see any of my weaknesses. None of my frailties were known to me any longer. I was completely delivered out of all of that. Truly to be in the presence of the Lord is to be like him.”
-Excerpts from Ken Peters’s dream
Abba will be faithful to that. May you rest in peace dear Brother.
Did Ken Peters die? I searched online but did not find anything.
Look him up as Kenneth Peters on Facebook. He passed away on August 17th, 2021.
I think I said the wrong date. Here is the link to his passing. It speaks of him in the very beginning and then goes to teaching service.https://www.facebook.com/thegatheringcorona/videos/996296367838251
Okay, I found his obituary. https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/bakersfield/name/kenneth-peters-obituary?pid=199963713
Thank you for sharing Julie!
Have you read Hosea 6:1-2-3 Christ suffers, then 1 day as 1000 years. We are right near the end..
Henry, I love how OT and NT intersect to tell the story of Messiah Jesus. in Hosea 6 it speaks of us being revived on the third day, as well as the rising of the sun, ☀️a metaphor for the Son. Praying that the eyes of every Jewish person ?reading words such as these has an epiphany and receives Yeshauh Hamashiach ✝️as their LORD and Saviour as these things are revealed to them in the Torah.?as the Holy Spirit ?unlocks these mysteries. ?Salvation is from the Jews, so may this be the hour that they see their salvation draw nigh. We would never have Christ if it had not been for God showering favor on
Israel,?? so in essence, that is how I see that scripture as Jesus IS salvation, and Jesus is from the Jews. Praying every Christian take hold of how much we are to give thanks that God chose Israel as the ?Apple of His eye ? for our sakes.
Praise the Lord, I am one of them, raised in traditional Judaism and via Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri’s mysterious note with Yahushua’s Name encoded on it and Pastor Carl Gallups’ two books expounding even further on it – I came to know the Truth. Thank you for all your prayers 🙏🏻🕊 I am truly blessed and deeply grateful.
James, I just listened to the latest broadcast of the prophecy club – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IacKLfdj4bI
Seems like Stan J. thinks it’s possible we could be going into the tribulation next month/this year. Personally, I think we are not that close and I know you think it’s further out. We know before the rapture takes place many things have to happen first but with the tribulation is the confirmation of the covenant the only thing that must take place before the start of the tribulation? Stan references Ken Peters’ testimony about what he saw at the beginning of his dream about the loud noise like a car horn and graves (some) opening up all around the world. Stan also references Revelation 6:1 where the Lamb opens up the 1st seal and hears a noise like the sound of thunder and says that could be/is the same car horn noise Ken heard. Stan says if we hear that noise and graves have opened up we will know we’re in the tribulation. I’ve always thought the graves are opened right before the living believers are raptured. He heard God reveal to him that the seals are over 7 years, the bowls, 7 months and the vials, 7 days. He goes on to talk about the two week shut down that Ken mentions in his testimony and Stan thinks this could all go down April 12th which has something to do with first fruits. I find it interesting that all the hardcore Trump/Q folks are saying 10 days of darkness is coming in April so that Trump can go after the bad guys. (Which I don’t believe). Anyway, I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
The scriptures are the authority by which every prophetic word must be tested. Based on the 38 unfulfilled scriptural prophecies that must be fulfilled before the Lord returns, I think it’s safe to dismiss this timeline. God has given us His Word and direct access to His Spirit so we are not misled by any false prophecies or warnings from any anonymous sources like Q.
Thanks James. It’s amazing how Grasshopper was right on when he made this statement – That scripture confirmed to me I had received a word from the Lord. Five years from that day is March 14 2020. I don’t know what will happen at that time, but I wholeheartedly believe it will be something significant.” This is from your post back in 2016 – https://z3news.com/w/warnings-great-trouble-coming-2020/
Thanks for reminding me about that post. It is amazing to see the fulfillment upon us now.
Wow, I actually know someone who left the country this year, I thought things wouldn’t be that bad.
God bless.
I notice there is no Revelation 4:20 in your explanations of 5. Executions. In fact, Revelation chapter 4 only goes up to 11. I thought maybe you meant 20:4, but Im not sure. Please explain.
Thanks for catching that error Tamara. You are correct. It is 20:4 not 4:20. I updated it to make the correction.
Does Ken realize that he was being killed by Muslims?
The scimitar and fez hat.
1 Thessalonians 4:17, “After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.”
This Catholic read and study the Bible over and over again. God began to speak to me at the age of 14. I am a convert, read the bible all my life. Teaching others to get to know the real Jesus.
That’s awesome Margaret, but the Catholic Church has always been and is still opposed to Biblical views. They claim their teachings have greater authority than the Bible, which is why they’ve continued to teach so many false doctrines like purgatory, papal authority, worshipping Mary, praying to Mary, the immaculate conception of Mary, the ascension of Mary, praying to deceased saints, salvation based on good works, and many more. They have led millions into hell and have murdered millions of true believers. No wonder so many people have seen the Pope will be the second beast, also known as the false prophet, revealed in Revelation 13.
James, I was born into a Catholic family. I had two aunts who were both nuns. I left Catholicism when I was saved at the age of 25.
What you say is 100% accurate.
Hello!
I would like to know, how this new world leader looked like, how tall was he, what hair color was he, what kind of expression did he have in the dream, because I had such a vision of him , also.
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing this messagr
Hi James, as I have said in a comment on another of your posts here, I believe that David Meade may be in breach of copyright with multiple authors with his book “Planet X – The 2017 Arrival” as only 25% of the book is his own work.
Does he have your permission to include material from this page? The whole thing is copied exactly as pages 40 – 61 in his book including your “MY COMMENTS” section.
If he is in breach of copyright, I plan to contact eBookIt and Amazon to ask them to take his book down. I list the parts of his book that are copyright of other authors here https://debunkingdoomsday.quora.com/David-Meade%E2%80%99s-book-content-only-25-is-his-own-work
Kind regards,
Robert (Walker)
We give anyone the right to copy and share our content on the condition that they must freely give it away, not sell it. I don’t recognize his name or recall having any contact with him.
Okay. He is selling it on Amazon here https://www.amazon.com/Planet-X-Arrival-David-Meade/dp/1456626922/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Kindle $3.10 Paperback $11.69
Pages 28-33 are this article, (6 pages)
p 35 – 39 Rapture vision of 1996 (5 pages)
p 40 – 61 “I Have Seen the Tribulation” (21 pages)
P 63-67 Five Proofs the Rapture Comes Before the Wrath of God (5 pages)
So out of a 108 page book (3 pages of which duplicates earlier content so it is really 105) he has 32 pages by you. I make that about 30% of the content.
This book was heavily promoted by the Daily Express, a UK sensationalist paper, building up to two or three stories about it every day in the run up to 23rd Sept. It went to the #1 position in Astronomy kindle books in Amazon and #5 for paperback and he may have earned $265 a day at its height on 24th Sept. Details here https://debunkingdoomsday.quora.com/David-Meade%E2%80%99s-Book-ranking-high-on-Amazon
Since yours was the biggest copyvio I think we have a clear case to get Amazon to take it down now. Marshall Masters also says he doesn’t have his permission. I have yet to hear from anyone saying he had their permission. Thanks!
I’ve just sent a copyvio report to Amazon
I looked into it and found an email David sent asking for permission to quote me as long as he included the author name and a link to Z3news.com. Since he said he wanted to quote me, I thought he meant quote me, as in a short paragraph or two, not have me write a third of the book. I sent him an email today telling him he misled me in his intentions. I also sent an email to Amazon asking them to remove his book and ban him from publishing on their site. In the future, I will only give permission after reviewing the final draft.
Great! Hope they respond swiftly as it’s a serious breach of copyright.
I accidentally filled in a form saying that I was your agent, sorry about that. It was the form on this page and I missed the bit about what to do if you are not a rights holder near the top. https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/reports/infringement
Anyway I heard back from their copyright / trademark agent as a result, and I explained that I’m not your agent and referred her to this post and said you’d contacted them directly. Also I’ve contacted customer support as explained on that page, and got reply ” I do understand that you want to report a copyright infringement. That’s definitely not what we want our customers to experience. I’m glad you contacted us.” and he said he would report it, and they should get back to me within 48 hours. So hopefully it will be taken down soon.
Thanks Robert. Without your help, I would never have known.
Have you heard back from them yet? I’ve just sent another message as I didn’t hear back after 48 hours. Hope to hear from them soon!
Yes, but I have not had time to reply to them yet.
Okay. I just heard back from them too but they don’t seem to have read my email. It may just be a bot answering. I’ve not managed to get through to a real person who seems to have read what I said yet, got through to someone on the phone but he wasn’t in the copyright infringement department and didn’t seem to know much. Is this what you got? In case this saves you some emails back and forth, this is what they asked for, and I have filled in the details that I found out based on the analysis of the book for you:
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It said to send them:
– An electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest.
– A description of the copyrighted work that you claim has been infringed upon.
Dumitru Duduman: China and Russia Will Attack America
https://z3news.com/w/dumitru-duduman-china-russia-attack-america/
copied as pages 28 – 33 of the book
Ken Peters: “I Have Seen the Tribulation”
https://z3news.com/w/ken-peters-tribulation/
copied as pages 40 – 61 of the book
Five Proofs the Rapture Comes Before the Wrath of God
https://z3news.com/w/five-proofs-the-rapture-comes-before-the-wrath-of-god/
copied as pages 63 – 67 of the book
– A description of where the material that you claim is infringing is located on the site.
“Planet X – The 2017 Arrival” ASIN: B01BLXPE3M
https://www.amazon.com/Planet-X-Arrival-David-Meade-ebook/dp/B01BLXPE3M
– Your address, telephone number, and email address.
– A statement by you that you have a good-faith belief that the disputed use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.
– A statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the copyright owner’s behalf.
Send this information to:
Copyright Agent
Amazon.com Legal Department
P.O. Box 81226
Seattle, WA 98108-1226
Fax: (206) 266-7010
Email: copyright@amazon.com
This procedure is exclusively for notifying Amazon and its affiliates that your copyrighted material has been infringed.
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I think it has to come from you therefore and hope these details help.
Thanks Robert. Do you know the total page count?
Yes, however it’s not consistent with itself.
The cloud reader says the last page is page 109. It repeats some of the page numbers – you click to the next page and sometimes the page number doesn’t change. Occasionally also it skips a page number – that’s counting double pages like an open book as a single “page”.
So, counting instead the number of double pages that it takes up as you click next page in the cloud reader, it’s:
* P28 – 33 Dumitru Duduman: China and Russia Will Attack America (https://z3news.com/w/dumitru-duduman-china-russia-attack-america/) – 6 double pages
* p40 – 61 Ken Peters: “I Have Seen the Tribulation” (https://z3news.com/w/ken-peters-tribulation/) – – 25 double pages
* P63-67 Five Proofs the Rapture Comes Before the Wrath of God (https://z3news.com/w/five-proofs-the-rapture-comes-before-the-wrath-of-god/) – 5 double pages
Total 32 (36) pages
And clicking through the pages and counting how many there are I make it 118.
Meanwhile, it says on its amazon page, 115 pages
https://www.amazon.com/Planet-X-Arrival-David-Meade-ebook/dp/B01BLXPE3M
But the cloud reader definitely has 118 pages (not including title page) not 115.
So – that’s perhaps the most accurate count, 36 out of 118 (not including the title page) is your work. Or about 30.5%
Thanks Robert.
Have you heard back from them, James?
I haven’t submitted it yet, but I will.
Okay, thanks!
i have been asking myself & found online other people having the same question in mind..
Has Mr. Ken Peters already saw that “perfect handsome man”
i wonder if it’s Chris Evans (Captain America)…
bcoz he’s the most physically perfect guy,
add up the fame,
that the world may really not give any hint of resistance if he speaks about it…
I have noticed, everytime I have spoken to Christians about the end of time, they disregard the warning as if they won’t be affected. This includes my sisters too. I have been accused of being too righteous, or acting like a know it all whereas my motive has only been one and that is to warn my family and friends so that they are not deceived. I have discovered sometimes Unbelievers accept the doctrine of the end days more easily then Christians. I believe this means majority of Christians these days already are under the influence of the Antichrist where they are so busy enjoying this world, they are not concerned of the next. I feel for these people. As much as these people are ignoring me, I feel a greater pressure to talk to them about the end times. Its as if the Holy Spirit is constantly telling me its at the doorstep and there is no more time left. Most of the time, I have found myself ministering to Christians more than unbelievers, as if God is giving them a 2nd opportunity but they are ignoring it. Often I don’t even intend to talk to someone about the last days, but the words automatically pour out of my mouth. These are indeed the days of Noah, where people think we are lunatics if we warn them. Regardless of the timing, I believe each of us should be living in a way that should we die at this very hour, our goal should be to be with God in heaven. I do not doubt the rapture in any way regardless of the timing, and this vision is only preparing us for the most difficult truth ie physical death=eternal life!!! Following Paul’s footsteps, I would say the only way to pull through these days is to have our motto as “To live is Christ and to die is gain.” The best way we can overcome the fear of death is by disciplining our mind to ignore the riches of this world and concentrate on the rewards in heaven. The love of the Lord will automatically transform us once we realise this world has nothing to offer us for to love the Lord is to hate this world.
Priti,
You have really excellent thoughts. I can identify with them all.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you.
I face the same situation as yours. majority of Christians ‘ minds go numb these days,they are so busy enjoying this world just like unbelievers, only difference is Christians sometimes go to church or prayer in emergency circumstances or read Bible when they need help from the Lord.they do not care about Jesus second coming /end time , some of them do not want Jesus coming back, because they say they are not ready or their family members are unbelievers , they hope Jesus does not come back ………..
I would like to share my visions as they have already Come to pass and After, I read about them In the Bible. I would like to share my life experiences with you if you are open to hear and understand the meaning!
Blessed be OUR LORD JESUS SON OF THE TRUE GOD!
Your friend in CHRIST,
Greg Vernak
Good Morning James!
Wow first time I read this article, so babies do not get raptured?
How could this be if they are not held accountable until they turn a certain age?
Is that why there were so many babies left everywhere on this dream?
At first when I read it I thought the babies were left by the unbelievers who just lost regard of themselves due to the chaos, but then when I read your explanation I realized that the rapture must’ve happened and babies were left everywhere by believers who were raptured?!
Do you have any idea of why this happened?
Hi Francy! To answer your question, Ken Peter’s vision was amazing, but the written word of God is the highest authority for truth, so it is best to study that and rely on that to answer any questions you have. Ken Peters did not see the rapture, but he saw the first resurrection of the dead in Christ, and scripture tells us the rapture happens just moments afterwards because both groups meet together in the sky.
14 For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, even so those who have fallen asleep in Yeshua will God bring with him.
15 For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the chief angel, and with God’s shofar. The dead in Messiah will rise first,
17 then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
(1 Thessalonians 4:14-18)
Regarding the babies, I believe the key statement he made is there were no babies over the age of two years. Ken did not see any babies over 18 months old. I believe the explanation for that is all babies were taken by God in the rapture, which means the babies he saw were born after the rapture and his vision revealed a series of events over time. One of the things God hates is shedding innocent blood (Proverbs 6:17), so it would be inconsistent with His character to leave babies behind in the rapture. I have heard testimonies of people who have seen the rapture and they said most of the people taken were babies and young children because 100% of them were taken whereas only a relatively small percentage of adults were taken.
Thank you so much James! God bless and protect you and your family!
I love your site and I’m truly grateful of your guidance since I became born again Christian back in January.
Thank you once again for everything you do, every single day. It’s a lot of work and yet you always are willing to help and guide with the kindest attitude.
I will go to The Lord and ask Him directly about this.
Thank you for telling people that his prophecy is yes amazing but we have to discern what true by the word of the lord. 1 Corinthian 13 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
I agree. The word of God is our plumb line, so it always takes priority over dreams and visions.
But in the article, it says he DIDN’T see any babies over two years of age, meaning they were all under 2.
This was very strange because they were anywhere from infancy to 16 or 18 months old. I could tell there were not any babies over the age of two.
These babies grow up and repopulate the earth during the milllennium
“Do you have any idea of why this happened?”
An idea? Yes.
Clearly mentioned in the Bible? Not sure, so please use discernment as I could be very wrong.
My first thought when I read that part was that ‘fallen angels’ are back on earth during the tribulation:
Revelation 12:9
They might seduce the women (due to their appearence) again and make them pregnant, just as it was ‘in the days of Noah’. The women get pregant and find out that their babies aren’t normal (and cute) babies but that ‘there’s something off about them’. (Nephilim) Maybe that’s why they’re abandoned. (Again: I could be very wrong about this.)
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See Matthew 24:19 and Luke 21:23 for example when it comes to pregant women and nursing women during those days. These verses don’t say anything about my idea above though.
Thanks so much for this transcript James. I was telling my daughter about the dream today. She can now read it. God Bless You!!
James, if “Revelation 13 tells us about the rise of the Antichrist and the establishment of his kingdom on the earth, including his 42 month reign” why is he identified “at the END of his 42 month reign”, as you say above? How can you say the A/C reigns for 3 1/2 years without being known??
During his 42-month reign, he is known as the world leader, but his true identity as the antichrist remains hidden until the middle of the week, which is at the end of his 42-month reign, when he enters the temple, takes his seat, which means establishes his throne, and displays himself as being God. So he takes it to another level by claiming to be God and claiming to rule over the earth as God.
At that point, many who have followed him, supported him, and even worshipped him realize he is the man of lawlessness, the son of destruction. Up until then his true identity had been hidden from them. His revealing is the beginning of the end of his authority as it is taken from him from that point forward. He will still try to deceive, but his effectiveness will be diminished.
1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so- called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)
But James, Daniel wrote, 9:27, that after the A/C makes his treaty for a week (7 years) and breaks the covenant in the MIDDLE of the week and John wrote in Rev. 13:5 that the A/C was given power to continue 42 months. This is why most prophecy scholars see a Lesser Tribulation lasting 3 1/2 years followed by the Great Tribulation lasting 3 1/2 years, ending with Armageddon. The seals and trumpet judgments happen before Rev. 13:1 when we see the A/C “rise up” in the MIDDLE of the week. We agree that when the A/C is revealed as the A/C is “given power” for 3 1/2 years but this doesn’t happen until Rev. 13:1, after the seals and trumpets, 7 chapters after the judgments begin with the rise of the A/C, the white horse, 6:2. If the vials take 3 1/2 years it seems acceptable that the seals and trumpets will take at least 3 1/2 years.
When the Lord returns, He is coming to rescue His people from the wrath of God (1 Thessalonians 1:10), which will be poured out on the unrighteous unrepentant sinners. He is coming to take dominion over the earth and rule with a rod of iron for one thousand years. His return marks the end of the 6,000 year dominion of man and the beginning of the 1,000 dominion of the Lord, which is why it is called the day of the Lord. Everything changes when He returns.
He is coming to take authority away from the antichrist, not to allow his evil reign to continue. So once God begins pouring out His wrath with the seven trumpets starting in Revelation 8, the antichrist starts losing his dominion and his power. This is what the great tribulation is all about. The authority given to the antichrist for 42 months during the tribulation is taken away from him during the great tribulation.
Events occurring during the birth pangs, tribulation, and great tribulation are listed in chronological order in Revelation 4-11. Then in chapter 13 we are given a recap with more details about the tribulation period, which was briefly identified by John in Revelation 6:9-11 and by Jesus in Matthew 24:9. Revelation 13 tells us about the rise of the antichrist and the establishment of his kingdom on the earth, including his 42-month reign. These events happen prior to the return of the Lord because He is coming to take authority away from the antichrist.
At the end of this 42-month tribulation period, the identity of the antichrist is revealed when he enters the temple in Jerusalem to establish his throne (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Matthew 24:15) That event is not the start of his rule, but the beginning of the end. All hell breaks loose after that with the breaking of the sixth seal followed by the rapture and the outpouring of the wrath of God.
James, how can the A/C “start losing his power in Revelation C.8” when he doesn’t rise to power until C.13?
My previous reply already answered this question with this statement, “Events occurring during the birth pangs, tribulation, and great tribulation are listed in chronological order in Revelation 4-11. Then in chapter 13 we are given a recap with more details about the tribulation period, which was briefly identified by John in Revelation 6:9-11 and by Jesus in Matthew 24:9.”
Please read the Fifth seal in Revelation Chapter 6, then go to chapter 7. The white robes will be given to the dead tribulation saints as early as in FIFTH SEAL, BUT NOT ALL OF DEAD SAINTS AT THE SAME TIME. Quote” Rev 6: 11 “Then THEY WERE EACH GIVEN A WHITE ROBE and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.” This indicates there will be a group of tribulation saints who are persecuted and dead will be given white robe EARLIER(not the live ones) while there the rest of great tribulation period continue, the saints continue being persecuting and going through great tribulation and they will also be given white robe in a latter time(may be the time of Jesus’s second coming). My opinion:1) This is NOT pre-tri rapture. It is a false doctrine. Pre tri believe they will escape great tribulation alive, but the scriptures here described the saints given the white robes were persecuted or killed, been in great tribulation and been tested. That’s why they are honored with white robes. In Revelation chapter 7 : 13-15 it confirms that. The Elders said they are ones coming out of GREAT TRIBULATION, washed their robes and make them white in the blood of the Lamb. 2) This is NOT mid-tri rapture. Because the ones given white robes in the Fifth seal are the saints who were dead on the Fifth seal or before that. The ones who are still alive will still remain here till their time, the second part of Rev 6 : 11 indicate they(white robed saints) have to wait a little longer, till the number of other saints complete, until these saints also killed like them. 3) This is not the post-tri rapture. Because this happen in the Fifth seal. I personally believe post-tri rapture. But this Fifth seal event is not the post tri rapture. Post tri rapture will happen in the last trumpet, right before the second coming of Jesus Christ, rapture both dead and alive, the dead mentioned in the second part of 6:11. I don’t know what to call this special Fifth seal event. there are no doctrine for it but it is there. There are a special group of saints who are killed will be given white robes in the Fifth seal, different time than the saints who were dead will be called and rapture up at the time of Jesus’s second return. BUT THE ONES WHO GIVEN THE WHITE ROBES WILL BE THE ONE COMING OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, they seems to have special assignment and reward, they serve God before the throne of God, serve HIM day and night, like a priest. That is a great honor. I can think of the Middle East Christians who were killed now, Christians in China, North Korea…etc in this group, being honored earlier with white robes in Fifth seal. I also think the saints all around the world from now till the Fifth seals who would/will be persecuted and killed around the Fifth seal will be in that group too. This is just my opinion, I may be wrong, I am open to other opinions and discussion on this. I think American Christians will face serious persecution before the time of the anti-christ come out. anti-christ’s persecution is just a climax and will be truly worldwide and very obvious. Persecution could very well start before him.
The fifth seal events occur during the 42-month reign of the antichrist, which Jesus called the tribulation (Matthew 24:9). These events are followed by the sixth seal, which is the beginning of the day of the Lord, which is when the wrath of God is poured out, which Jesus and John called the great tribulation. So there are two distinctly different periods with the tribulation preceding the great tribulation. Please see my previous post, “Twelve Differences Between the Tribulation and Great Tribulation”. Here is a link: https://z3news.com/w/tribulation-vs-great-tribulation/
The believers described in the fifth seal (Revelation 6:9-11) were killed both prior to and during the tribulation period because we are told many of them “had been slain” and more were to be killed. So these are not part of the great multitude described in Revelation 7:9-17 because the elder tells John, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation.” It is impossible for people who died prior to and during the tribulation to come out of the great tribulation because they died prior to the great tribulation. Just because both groups are given white robes does not mean they are the same people. The elder explained to John the white robes were given because “they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 7:14). Every believer will wear a white robe whether we die as a martyr or not because we have all been washed in the blood of the lamb.
The specific things endured by this great multitude are listed in Revelation 7:16-17. They include hunger, thirst, exposure to heat from the sun (homelessness), and tears. There is no mention of any of them dying as martyrs. To mention the other smaller things they endured while failing to mention dying for their faith would be downright disrespectful to those who paid the ultimate price. It was not mentioned because none of them were killed. They are the raptured believers who are rescued out of the earth just prior to the outpouring of the wrath of God. Please see my previous post, The Timing of the Rapture is Revealed by the Great Multitude. Here is a link: https://z3news.com/w/timing-rapture-revealed-great-multitude/
James, you wrote above, “The fifth seal events occur during the 42-month reign of the antichrist, which Jesus called the tribulation (Matthew 24:9). These events are followed by the sixth seal, which is the beginning of the day of the Lord, which is when the wrath of God is poured out, which Jesus and John called the great tribulation. So there are two distinctly different periods with the tribulation preceding the great tribulation.”
Apparently, you have a much different concept of the seven year tribulation than the vast majority of prophecy students hold to that understands Revelation C.4-19 is Daniel’s 70th Week, seven years, and occurs in chronological order with some parenthetical exceptions. This commonly held view believes the six seals and the first six trumpets fall into the first 3 1/2 years or the Lessor Tribulation and that the seventh trumpet happens at mid-week and that the seven vials or bowls take place in the last 3 1/2 years referred to as the Great Tribulation. Most believe the A/C comes to power during the first 3 1/2 years and reigns in total power during the second 3 1/2 years, right up to the time of Armageddon when he is destroyed by Christ, His angels and the Saints who arrive with Christ from Heaven. I never thought these parameters were ever in contention.
Daniel’s 70th week begins with the signing of a seven-year covenant, which today would likely be called a treaty. This marks the beginning of the final seven-year period, but also the beginning of the 42-month reign of the antichrist, which is when “authority to act for forty-two months was given to him” (Revelation 13:5). During this 42-month period, he will have authority not only to rule over the world government, economy, and religion, but “It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.” (Revelation 13:7-8)
However, his reign comes to an end in the middle of the week when he breaks his covenant, abolishes sacrifices and offerings in the temple in Jerusalem, enters the temple and establishes his throne there (Daniel 9:27). This is called the abomination that brings desolation (Matthew 24:15), which is also the event when his identity is revealed.
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it (the rapture) will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so- called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)
All hell breaks loose at this point as the events of the sixth seal unfold and the day of the Lord begins, which lasts for 1,000 years (2 Peter 3:8-10). The saints of God are protected in Revelation 7 with 144,000 sealed and the great multitude taken in the rapture. Then the wrath of God begins to be poured out in Revelation 8. The wrath of God continues to be poured out for at least five months because we are told the locusts harm men for five months after the fifth trumpet sounds. The wrath likely continues much longer, but the specific time is not given. However, we are told those days are cut short for the sake of the elect (Matthew 24:22), which means before the seven-year period is completed the war against the antichrist is brought to an end as he is seized, along with the false prophet, and the two of them are thrown alive into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20). So he is only given authority to act for 42 months, which occurs during the first half of the final seven-year period. His authority is taken from him in the middle of the week and it is all downhill for him from that point.
Hi Mr. James,
Do you believe this treaty will be “advertised” to all of us? or do you believe it may be secretive and we will see evidence of it only?
I believe it will be well publicized news because it includes an agreement to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. It would be very hard to keep that secret. The Jews will believe they are building it for their own use, but not long after it is completed the antichrist will take it from them. This happens in the middle of the seven-year period. He will betray Israel.
Thank you for clearing that up for me. 🙂
Neville Johnson speak also of 3 1/2 years.
Time, times and half a time. Revelation 12:14
“The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach” (also 1260 days Rev. 12:6).
42 months.Revelation 13:5
“The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.”
1290 days.Daniel 12:11
“From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.”
Note: Jesus’s ministry was 3 1/2 years , cut off in the middle of a “week”, HIS death caused sacrifice to cease, as HE atoned for the sins of all mankind.
Very interesting perspectives. Originally, I thought the multitudes with the white robes in chapter 7 refers to the people in Fifth seal. You point out the ones in Fifth seal was martyred, the ones in chapter 7 went through hungry, thirst, extreme heat. They rewarded the white robes for different causes. I think you are right that it is two different groups of people in different tribulation periods. I still have different understand the timing of great tribulation and rapture than yours, but this is not a matter here. I am just very curious and wonder why is it there are two groups of people given white robes in different time? Why the group given white robes in Fifth seal, and others are not? The ones in the Fifth seal are martyred, but it is before the time of anti-christ, before the time of great tribulation. There will be more martyre coming after that. What’s so “special” about the group in the Fifth seal? Why do they have the white robes earlier? This is mighty interesting, Mr. Bailey!!!. Any thoughts on that? Do you know anyone could elaborate on this?
White robes are given to those who have been washed clean by the blood of the Lamb, which means all believers get white robes regardless of whether or not we are killed for our faith.
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Revelation 7:14)
Those killed during the fifth seal are killed prior to and during the 42-month reign of the antichrist, which Jesus called the tribulation period (Matthew 24:9). This is the same period described in Revelation 13.
7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
10 If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone is destined for the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints. (Revelation 13:7,10)
It is during the fifth seal the antichrist wages war against the saints and overcomes them by putting many into captivity and killing many with the sword. He is given this authority for only 42 months and then all hell breaks loose after he tries to establish his throne in the temple (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)
I agree white robes will be given to all tribulation saints and believers. I also believe we will be rewarded special rewards. We will serve God in His temple, day and night, as priests, and reign with Christ for 1000 years. The second dead will not have power over us. Our rewards probably will be different than our grandparents period, because they didn’t go through the tribulation period like we will. We will have more responsibilities in our rewards. We do not born in this period on accident, we are mold and train in tribulation to mold and prepare us into that rewards.This is just some thoughts. Since some white robes are given in the Fifth seal, for people are martyred, they are killed either prior and during the anti-christ period, this tells me, I have better prepared my heart for serious persecutions and/or killing Christians events even before the anti-christ reveal himself, in America too.
I have a problem with the resurrection comment, it seems it is chronologically placed before the antichrist is revealed, this would imply that the rapture takes place before the antichrist is revealed and this is contrary to 2thessalonians2, and in regards to 1corinthians15:52 is the rapture and the resurrection of the saints not a simultaneous event?
You are correct about the sequence of events as revealed in scriptures. However, his vision only included a glimpse into these events, so perhaps the antichrist had been revealed prior to the resurrection? The way I understand these scriptures, the resurrection precedes the rapture, but only by a few moments because both groups meet together with the Lord in the sky. So the man of sin would already have been revealed before this event.
I was in prayer and fasting for 2 weeks back in 1992, and the Lord showed me that tv’s would have the capability of watching us vs. us watching. Was relieved to read that Ken Peters saw that as well. I kept that on the holy shelf, just in case I was misreading what the Lord was showing.
Rapture Vision!_ March 2018.
Z3 NEWS / Ken Peters,
Thank you, for everything that you told on TV. (The Prophecy Club)
The many testimonies and vision’s bring people to understanding and repentance.
I converted my heart in Sept.1977 in The Netherlands. Now I am an Evangelist myself.
I have something very special.
Jesus, has given me a Vision about the End Times!
Print only the Vision, and you know enough!
See drawing! Because we have not much time.
See: http://www.dezonengods.com
As for me, you may use it from my website. You may also put the drawing on your website.
Give your opinion at best and make reference of this Vision.
See also the Throne occupation!
Open: “De zeven hemelen Gods” (The seven heavens of God/A4)
See the prophecy of Pastor and Evangelist Karel Hoekendijk!
Any translation via Google Translate.
See the photos! (Pictures)
(A street-evangelist) “Een straat-evangelist in Suriname”
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Sincerely,
Evangelist,
Jan Belle (John Belle)
Ps.
This Vision I have also sent to Maurice Sklar, Hal Lindsey,
and to Sid Roth (Canada) and many, many others!
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Good work men.
By the way if you want a better quality video here it is:
https://youtu.be/EHtSCWCSe2Q
I upload it and the actual recording of this video took place May 2000. I know because I bought the DVD and it was in the receipt, the date of recording.
So it’s the best version you can get since I put the full DVD version.
As per to the actual dream, I would like to comment that I believe in his vision.
I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture and what Ken speaks about that’s it.
Furthermore I believe that the rapture will take place at Rosh Hashanah. It coincides with what the old evangelist said in his dream as “I was not ready for the times of the lord”
The “appointed time” or “time of the lord” are the 7 feast of the Lord.
Jesus fulfilled Passover, Feast of unleavened bread and First fruits to the day. The church was born in Pentecost to the day.
And Jesus will fulfilled Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kipur and Sukot to the date.
Now caution, don’t live a reckless life and think that you can repent when Rosh Hashanah comes. That’s a very dangerous game, because we don’t know what year it will be. It can be this Rosh Hashanah, or 10 years from now. And who can say you will be alive 10 years from now?
Live each day like is your last day, so that if you die you will be ready to meet God and not go to hell.
Because once you die, there is no second chance. At least those that are “Left Behind” have a second chance. But the dead don’t. So take time to have a personal relationship with Jesus and he will lead you to all truth and righteousness.
God Bless
Revelation 22:11
Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
Yes, a dangerous game to think there is a second chance. Many “Christians” in Hell were taken suddenly, no time to repent.
http://www.heavenvisit.com/
AMEN, AMEN I SAY UNTO YOU:
I PRAY THAT LIVING POWERS OF
LIVING YAHUAH,
LIVING YAHUSHA, AND
LIVING
KODESH RUACH OF ELOHIYM
FLOW THROUGH THIS SCREEN
AND CATCH
THE SPIRIT OF ELOHIYM
IN THAT WHO IS READING
THROUGH THAT
WHO IS WRITING
IN THE SPIRIT OF WILLING TO GIVE
THE WILL OF YAH YAHUAH ELOHIYM
FOR ALL NATIONS, TONGUES AND TRIBES
BE AWAKEN IN YOU;
WALK AND UNITE IN LOVE
OF ELOHIYM
PRAISING THE HIGHEST ELOHIYM
KING OF KINGS YAHUAH EL SHADDAI!
LEARNING HIS PROPER NAME.
AND BLESSING HIS SON, YAHUSHA, HA MASHIACH
LEARNING THE NAME HIS FATHER YAHUAH GAVE HIM.
AND IF YOU DO NOT SAY THIS
YOU WILL BE JUDGED
BECAUSE NOW YOU KNOW
WHO THE FATHER IS
AND WHO THE SON IS
IF YOU IGNORE THIS MESSAGE
THE BLOOD OF ALL THOSE WHO YOU COULD HAVE WOKEN UP
WILL BE ON YOU.
I DID MY PART. I AWAKENED YOU.
IF YOU GO BACK TO SLEEP.
THAT’S THE CHOICE YOU USED
AS YOUR FREE WILL.
THANK YOU ELOHIYM, YAHUAH, FATHER OF ALL.
THANK YOU YAHUSHA, WHO CAME IN FLESH, AND SERVED AND OBEYED ALL HIS DAYS
AND NEVER TOOK CREDIT FOR ANYTHING
BECAUSE HE SAID
HE WAS ABOUT HIS FATHER’S BUSINESS.
SOMEBODY HAD TO BE WILLING.
PRAYER IS RELEASED AND LIFTED UP TO HEAVEN.
IN YAHUSHA.
AMEN
GREETINGS!
YAHUAH IS THE KING OF KINGS AND HE HAS KINGDOMS. A KINGDOM IS ROYALTY WHICH DEPENDS ON LOYALTY.
IF YOU WANT TO BELONG, YOU NEED TO PROVE HIM YOUR LOYALTY.
SON YAHUSHA’ S KIND OF LOYALTY.
LOYALTY= TRUST
EVERYTHING IS RIGHT AND WRONG AT THE SAME TIME. IT CHANGES ITS MEANING IN MANY LEVELS CONSTANTLY. THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT BECAUSE YAHUAH WANTED IT THAT WAY. THAT’s WHY WE ARE TOLD NOT TO JUDGE BUT LOVE ALL.
OUR JOB IS
TO FIND YAHUAH
AND
ASK HIM:
“IS THIS RIGHTEOUS WHAT I AM DOING? AM I IN TROUBLE? AM I A STUDENT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? AM I SPENDING THE TIME AND LIFE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME IN A WAY THAT IS PLEASING TO YOU? DO YOU TRUST ME?”
AND WAIT FOR THE ANSWER.
GET OUT OF “FAITH”.
FAITH IS THE MYSTERY BABYLON (IN ITS LARGEST MEANING)
FIND YAHUAH THROUGH YAHUSHA
AND
BUILD TRUST
HIM TO YOU AND YOU TO HIM
BUILDING TRUST IS ACTIVE WORK
IT IS ONLY FOR THOSE
WHO WANT TO BE TRUSTABLE
AND WHO WANT TO TRUST.
IN YAHUSHA
AMEN
TRUST=LOYALTY
Im not sure about Ken Peters, this seems like a lot to absorb, and knowing it came fro ma dream makes it harder to swallow.
T
I believe that God has shared this with Brother Ken Peters and I am truly blessed that he spoke about it when he did. God also used Balaam’s ass to get His message across – people of Jesus’ day also did not believe the Lord even with Him standing right before them. The scoffers we will always have by our side – we need to listen to the Holy Spirit as He leads us because He will lead us into all truth. We are living in a critical time where this scenario could be released at any moment – the ‘theory of eminency’. We should learn to appreciate warnings and prepare accordingly. God’s words were always given for the preparation and protection of His people. Bother Ken has blessed us with his obedience to God by sharing this with us. Be blessed and have a wonderful God filled day.
Similar to to what Ken Peters saw is Sarah Hoffman’s “Vision of the end of the World”. Where Ken’s dream ends with his death, she sees further right up to the bowls of wrath where the earth is destroyed by fire.
Catholics know that the bestselling “Left Behind” books and movies have grossly perverted Catholicism’s biblical “rapture” doctrine – the only “rapture” view before 1830.
The 2000-year-old Catholic “rapture” (the “caught up” in I Thess. 4:17) occurs AFTER the final “tribulation” (post-tribulation) while the 185-year-old evangelical Protestant “rapture” supposedly occurs BEFORE it (pre-tribulation) and is said to be “imminent.”
All Catholics should read journalist Dave MacPherson’s “The Rapture Plot” (available by calling 800.643.4645) – the most accurate documentation on the history of the pretrib rapture which began in British cultic circles in 1830. By twisting Scripture, this new doctrine gave folks the (false) hope of being evacuated from earth before the chaos found in the book of Revelation.
“The Rapture Plot” reveals, for the first time, how a Plymouth Brethren historian, after John Darby’s death, secretly and dishonestly changed the earliest “rapture” writings of the Irvingites (the first group publicly teaching a pretrib rapture) so that he could wrongfully credit P.B. leader Darby with “dispensationalism” as well as with that rapture view! (Some still view Darby as the “father of dispensationalism” even though MacPherson’s book amply proves that Darby wasn’t first or original with any crucial aspect of that system but subtly plagiarized others!)
The leading pretrib rapture merchandisers (Scofield, Lindsey, LaHaye etc.) are openly anti-Catholic and believe that the Antichrist during the coming tribulation will be headquartered in Rome (and you can guess where!).
For more shocks Google “Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture,” “The Real Manuel Lacunza,” “Pseudo-Ephraem Taught Pretrib – NOT!,” “John Darby Did NOT Invent the Rapture,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart” (she originated the pretrib rapture!), “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “Evangelicals Use Occult Deception,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty.”
Thanks Ernie. I have added The Rapture Plot to my reading list. I have written several articles proving the pre-trib rapture is contrary to scripture. It has taken on a life of its own because it is what everyone wants to hear.
I don’t get it. Didn’t you (James Bailey) write Ken Peters: “I Have Seen the Tribulation” where you transcribed the video contents? And then at the end wrote My Comments, in which you said the following:
“However, just because he did not see that event does not mean the living believers were not also taken at the same time. A careful reading of 1 Thessalonians 4:18 reveals that the living believers will be caught up together with the dead in Christ in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.”
Ken Peters saw the resurrection of the dead in Christ before the Tribulation. So, your point in My Comments was that the translation of living believers happens immediately following that and they are caught up in the air with to meet Christ TOGETHER. You even quote I Thess 4 to prove it. Why are you making this comment to Ernie that the Rapture doesn’t happen before the Tribulation?
I didn’t say it, Jesus did. (Matthew 24:29-31) Since we know His words are true, we can judge prophetic dreams and visions based on that. If Ken Peters saw the rapture, then what he saw afterwards was the great tribulation, not the tribulation, but Ken Peters did not mention anything about the rapture.
when was his/this presentation made? at about 43:50 it seems it is 2002 or earlier. when doing a video on prophecy it is very important to state the day and time of the presentation,
The video was recorded in 2000. He had the vision in 1975. This came from YouTube uploaded by an unknown source so it is what it is. I am just thankful someone shared it.
Dear James, I don’t think that link works any more. If I took the wrong one, could you please copy and paste it in a reply to me? Thanks.
Thanks for letting me know the link was broken. I have updated it. The new URL for his site is http://www.thegatheringcorona.com/
Yeah, since how many people cannot understand the basic difference of “tribulation” versus “Great Tribulation”, I think we have to be specific for the sake of the easily confused masses.
I totally agree with you that even those whom are to be Raptured will NOT be spared ALL of the horrors that is to come. I do understand that we will see Great Tribulation but only the beginning part. Full and utter horror happens after the Rapture, where the Holy Spirit is taken out with a very small remnant.
What is happening now is called “birthpains” or “pre-wrath”. In addition, Ken said that many people that remained asked “where did those people go?” which further supports pre-trib. Another key point he mentioned was that babies no more than 18 months old (in the written testimony of his vision) were found by the old evangelist and his band of followers. Unborn babies, from what I can deduce from the testimony, will not be Raptured. However, there is a chance that children will be Raptured and thus, spared the Great Tribulation. Thanks James for replying and approving my comments. I feel that I had to point out parts of his testimony which highly suggests pre-trib, which is by far, in accordance to God’s word.
Too many people cannot put 2 and 2 together anymore, thus why I have to point it out.
I think we need to be more specific with the terminology because there is so much wrong teaching on this topic. The rapture is not pre-tribulation as many wrongly teach. It is pre-great-tribulation, which is much different. This is a very important distinction because many have been taught they will be raptured before any major trouble comes, but that is not true and not scriptural. Lots of trouble comes even before the great tribulation, including wars, famines, and mass-murder of believers, but none of that is the wrath of God. The rapture comes before the wrath of God is poured out.
I find it funny that Ken basically proved that the Rapture is pre-tribulation.
Don’t get me wrong from the get go.
If God wants me to go through the Great Tribulation, I won’t mind. I mean, it is as if I can stop God from doing as He dictates anyhow. It is one thing to be ready for the Great Tribulation, it is another thing to be foolish about it and be all gung-ho about it as if you are being a hero for being a martyr.
God’s Word says “Harpazo”, a catching away of the Bride of Christ.
But I digress, let me point out what Ken said that proves Pre-tribulation rapture.
Firstly, the very beginning of his story. He said that there was a loud noise. That sound will be heard worldwide and the whole world that is left behind, I would say most people would know that they themselves have been left behind and they would know the reason why they didn’t make the Rapture.
How can I know this?
Continue to Ken’s story when he meets the Old Evangelist. There seems to be a common theme with the Old Evangelist and his small band of followers. They ALL admitted that they were ONCE on FIRE for God Jesus Christ but they BACKSLID. Lukewarm Christians are going to be shocked when they find themselves left behind because they thought that their half-hearted efforts were pleasing to God.
The Old Evangelist said that “the end was coming upon us and that he had not prepared for the times of the Lord.” Clearly, this refers to the left behind saint of God that will have to suffer greatly to make it to Heaven on the second run.
The Rapture is pre-tribulation. It is not a matter if you think that I am too afraid of going through it, the fact is that it is what God’s word says. You can divide God’s word wrongly if you so choose to. You can ignore how God saved Noah by building an Ark, you can ignore how God saved Lot and his family at your own risk.
I find it funny how people forget to see how God said He is the same yesterday, today and forever more. What makes you think He does not have a plan for us as He did for Noah?
If He wants me to go through the Great Tribulation, fine, I am not the person that gets disheartened for going through the Tribulation. I already said that my faith in Christ will NEVER be shaken till the instant I die or Raptured, whichever comes first.
Just to clarify, his vision proves the rapture happens before the great tribulation. There is a big difference between the tribulation and great tribulation. Please see my previous post called “12 differences between the tribulation and great tribulation”. The tribulation already started when the first seal was broken (Revelation 6:1-2). The rider on the white horse received his crown in 2008. The second seal has not yet been broken. The great tribulation will start after the sixth seal is broken, which is still years away. Those believers who are right with the Lord will be taken in the rapture prior to the great tribulation. Many other believers will be left behind.
Hi James,
I just read this and find it interesting he mentioned a little further into his dream that there were no children over 2 years old and then a world-wide earthquake happens. The earthquake sounds like the sixth seal and somewhere around 2 years before that, the Harpazo/Rapture occurs.
I know the seals are opened in sequence but some of the seals will overlap or run concurrently. For example, the second seal is the removal of peace on earth…the third seal is famine…and the fourth seal is the authority over 1/4th of the earth to kill by sword, famine, pestilence, and beasts. That 1/4th could be land mass or population. 1/4th of the world is land so it could be the entire world’s land mass as we know it. Approximately 1/4th of the world’s population is muslim. Or, if we were to add up the land mass of the Middle East plus the North African muslim nations and Russia, i.e. the possible Ezekial war participants we are looking at about 1/4th of the world’s land mass.
What has been the general consensus on this site, regarding the seals? Are we in the seals now and if so, how far along?
Hi Jeff!
I can not say for others. But I recently have different perspective of the seals. I would like to share it and to hear other opinions. I believe we are in the beginning of third and fourth seals. The third seal opened in end of last year 2015, this is the seal represent economic collapse or downturn, hyperinflation. I know we don’t have it full yet, the full impact may not always happen at the start of the seal. i also believe the fourth seal is about to open in this year or next. Because famines, wars, death normally follow economic downturn/collapse almost simultaneously. so I believe both seals would open in very close timing. I keep hearing to prepare famine that is coming to this land. America will suddenly in needs of food, just out of food, It sounded more like shipping problem and the decline of produces here due to weather than because of our currency. But I may be wrong on what cause it. As for the second seal, Mena lee Greblin said the Lord told her that Obama is the second seal who take away peace, that opened in 2008 when he become the president. I believe her on this. this is just me. The rapture you mentioned above, I don’t think it’s rapture. It’s entirely something else. It’s only dead people, given white robes and disappear. When I read that, I instantly thought about the Fifth seal. Jeff, do you know, there will be two groups of people, will be given the white robes in different period of time? One will be given the white robes as early as in the Fifth seal, the other will be at the end in the time of Jesus’s second coming. See Revelation 6:9-11, Rev 7:9-17. I would love to have your thoughts on this.
The rapture happens after the sixth seal is broken, which explains why the sixth seal is broken in Revelation 6:12-15 and the raptured church appears in heaven standing before the throne of God in Revelation 7:9-17. Those events are listed in chronological order.
The first four seals are the same events Jesus called birth pangs (Matthew 24:4-10). He listed the same events in the same order as John did in Revelation 6:1-8. After that comes the 42-month tribulation period, which is the fifth seal.
We have already entered the birth pangs. Like you said, the four riders overlap because their assignments take years to complete. I believe all four riders have been released, which has been shared in previous posts in our antichrist category. The rider on the white horse has nearly completed his assignment, as I shared here: https://z3news.com/w/rider-on-white-horse-riding-america/
Dear James, would you please please direct me to Pastor Ken Peter’s ministry?
I have to ask him a question.
Thanks!
There is a link in this post to his website.
It sounds just like the door of Noah’s ark slamming
shut in their faces, doesn’t it? And the underground
facilities that house the reptilians are also to be
sealed shut- Satan’s “ark”. Pretty definitive. And yet some
people have seen “points of light” where small
groups are hidden away. The only thing that I can think of to explain
the two is that not every believer is raptured (as Elijah), but
rather some are horizontally moved (like Phillip) and
protected. These then would replenish the earth during
the millennium.
I saw Jesus in a vission and he told me that He is coming very soon . And he told me to tell the Church that when he said in matthew 25 about the folish vargin that though they will get oil he will never open for them .
The same when he take his church those who will not be ready will never have a chance to repent and enter his kingdom
Matthew 25: 11,12
Hi Lisa; Actually, several years ago a triangle
glass building was erected in San Francisco. As you may
recall, the Louvre in Paris added their iconic glass pyramid addition
also in the past. I understand that Union Station in Denver
will be a glass pyramid, but I don’t know if it is built or not.
Rumor has it that Denver will be the new Washington DC
after the projected flooding hits both coasts. Remember that TPTB
have a Super Computer that can see into the future to determine
their steps now. They think that they can outsmart The Creator of All Things,
open the gate to let their own god in, but stop the return of Jesus Christ.
Edmonton Alberta also has several glass pyramids including our City Hall.
Also ken said he seen a hugh triangle glass shape building and a earthquake took place and it came crashing
down and people’s lifes were lost. That sounds to me the worlds economy collapsing?
Because right after that he seen these military tanks on street. That would not happen if a earthquake hit?
But a crisses of global panic?
To clarify some of Ken’s dream- the Holy Spirit
may represent a certain person, group of
people or “position” by using us as an example.
In other words, Ken was used as an example
of what a person left behind after the rapture
occurred was experiencing, so that he could more
effectively minister to people. The Spirit makes no
mistakes, and Ken’s not fully understanding the dream
does not require retraction.
I highly recommended John Shorey’s books. They are
available on Kindle for a modest price. I get upset when
Christians argue over who the AntiChrist is, or
when the rapture will occur. We should all gracefully be allowed
our own opinions on these things that are not matters of
doctrine, and not required for salvation. The person who maintains
the website, or publishes the newsletter etc., should
not be disallowed their freedom of speech.
Obama, The Antichrist? Pre Trib Rapture? You err regarding scriptures. If you think Obama is the antichrist, you will NEVER recognize the real one.
Regarding Obama, I am just reporting what I have seen and heard. Regarding the pretrip rapture, it appears you have not read my posts on this topic because that is not what I believe.
I can corroborate the 3-4 or at the most, six month
period that Ken was made aware of. In a vision that God
gave me at about the same time that Ken had this dream, I
was shown that a family that I know of will live in my house
for between 4-6 months, then they will head east on
foot. They were very happy, and not at all afraid. The tall, heavy
athletes with the swords we now know to be corroborated
by the ISIS members that do the beheading currently.
Hi…
I wonder if the new Greek prime minister is who he saw in his vision..of the antichrist ?
No Tsipris is not the antichrist because Obama is. See the Antichrist section of this blog for more details.
In Ken’s video, he mentioned he does not believe in the pre-trib rapture. He described from his dream that only those who were dead in Christ were ressurrected. (Then he said that this ‘evil leader’ told the peole that evil people were taken from the earth). At the beginning of his video, he mentioned that he had some information about Sadaam Hussein that had not yet been shared that he was going to share later. I listened to his entire testimony for the Prophecy Club, and he never mentioned any details about Sadaam. Do you have any thoughts on this?
Excellent points Sandra. I had not noticed that discrepancy, but it makes sense because according to the scriptures the dead in Christ are raised first, then those who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:12). Ken reported only what he saw and said he did not see the rapture, but that does not mean it did not happen immediately after the dead were raised. As you pointed out his own testimony about the evil leader indicates the rapture did happen at that time.
Has Ken recanted his dream as some have suggested? I don’t find him preaching his prophetic message other than at the prophecy club meeting. I would think that as we appear to be closer than ever to the end times, he would be repeating the message with greater intensity.
I have heard that he no longer believes his own vision, but I don’t know if that is true or not.
I have to agree, Elaine. But I can also say that just because the author believes in the rapture it does not mean that Ken Peters believes in it. Catholics do not believe in the rapture (I am one.. I should know :), and that the reading w/ one staying one going was not as most people think it is.
Just to make a point: the rapture is just a radical idea and is not true according to tradition and Scripture. The reading where Jesus says one will stay one will be left isn’t evidence of the rapture. No trusted Church leader ever said anything about the Rapture. Anyhow, we should be prepared for the awakening that is to come soon, which will be followed by an era of peace. Don’t believe me? You would be doubting the Mother of Christ then. And Christ Himself.
Based on your comment you do not know the scriptures regarding the rapture. There are many scriptures telling us about the coming rapture in great detail. Besides that we are not entering into an era of peace. The exact opposite is coming. War is coming when the second seal is broken, which is not far off.
coming here a bit late. but what really bothered me after watching Ken Peter’s testimony about only seeing the dead come up out from their graves but never once seeing any living person changed….well the implications are quite worrying. Well, I’ve seen two others commenting on this aspect of his testimony beside you, and each one of you seemed to presume to tell us that it doesn’t really matter if he did see any living changed, but wasn’t that the reason why God would show him these things in the first place, and totally omit any living changing?
I think we ought to follow this line of thinking to its logical conclusion that 1) there were not so many living being changed on the earth or, 2) that we missed what Paul said about the sequence of events like the falling away and the appearance of the antichrist coming first, before the coming of the Lord for His own.
Pastor Peters was there in the Tribulation and he was there and saw the antichrist during the greater part of the vision of his dream from the Lord.
In my opinion the whole prophetic sequence seems backward or the reverse of the one given by Paul in thessalonians, as the first thing he said was that he heard the Shofar-like a automobile horn.But this is when Christ comes with the sound of a trumpet blast–this put some little doubts in my mind about the whole dream but for the fact that for me, he exhibits the true kind of servant of God by expressing his on-going great reluctance to even have experienced such a thing in his life–few of God’s prophets ever wished to be one at all. Some ran off and got on boats, Like Jonah, others simply refused to talk about God at all,like Jeremiah.
That brother seems to be a flawed and nearly inarticulate, reluctant speaker, and quite fearful to boot: just the kind, such a stuttering Moses, who is just the kind of man God would choose, in my book.
Amen!! Dear Sister!!! Blessed are thoes who suffer for His Namesake!!!!
I do not believe the Holy WORd of God teaches about apre-tribe RAPTURE ANYWHERE!, And Ken does not answer ppl. because of this pretribe fantasy.Jesus CLEARLY taught: Acts 14:22 says that Paul told all his young churches, “Through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom.” And Jesus said, “If they persecuted me, they will persecute you” (John 15:20). And Peter said, “Do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you” (1 Peter 4:12). In other words it is not strange; it is to be expected. And Paul said (in 2 Timothy 3:12), “Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.”
So I take it to be a biblical truth that the more earnest we become about being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, and reaching the unreached peoples of the world, and exposing the works of darkness, and loosing the bonds of sin and Satan, the more we will suffer.
You are correct that Christians will be persecuted and killed. Those things have been happening for centuries and will continue and even intensify. However, the wrath of God has never been poured out into the earth, but it will be during the great tribulation. God has promised to deliver His people from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 1:10). His great deliverance will come through the rapture (Matthew 24:31).
Deuteronomy 32:22
“For a fire will be kindled by my wrath, one that burns down to the realm of the dead below. It will devour the earth and its harvests and set afire the foundations of the mountains.”
The LORD’s wrath seems to be mentioned many times in the Bible, however the “BOWLS of Wrath” are still to come.
Dear Ken,
I have seen your video many times and have been wondering about the coming Endtimes. I have some information about the mark of the beast and the pole shift described in your vision. I have also seen some disturbing events take place that are happening right now. A Youtube channel called “liekillers” are advertising the mark of the beast on the web. Its very demonic. Christians should be warned! If you read this message I would like to share some things with you as a brother in the Lord. Lets communicate in the future via e-mail
Thanks for your comments, but Ken Peters does not get any of these messages since he is not associated with Z3news.com. You can find his ministry by searching for him on Google.
a few months ago felt a great sadness in those moments when they made me mourn because I could feel sad about my death I thought I was going to die very soon, for about 3 months I had the feeling I did not know the reason for that thought so deep I to mourn, one day sitting in front the computer was still thinking about that feeling I wonder why? after that question is like I’m imagining this, I was running on about collapsed buildings look from side to side everything was in ruins and the sky was red, at that time I was being chased by a uniformed persons, one of them took my arm and his gun killed me. because I was spreading the word of God. when I watch the thought, that fear of my death had left me. after that lit my computer I was still overwhelmed by the thought watch the screen of my computer and the first thing I see is a video that said I HAVE SEEN THE TRIBULATION, I began to see that testimony was very strange for me by the thought that I calm my fear of death. and I think I’ll die for Christ and His truth. I just want you to know about my testimony. GOD BLESS and thanks for your time. Best wishes from .. Sonora. mexico
God bless you Sonora and thanks for sharing your testimony. You are not alone. Many of us will lay down our lives for Him in the days ahead, but we will have great rewards in eternity!
Yes, we may have tribulation before the Rapture comes but the thing to see is what is ahead of us. Jesus and Heaven. The Lord told me He is taking me home soon and I am so excited about it, but people generally think I am being morbid if I mention it.
Thank you for sharing this and enlightening us of what is to come
Thanks for Ken’s information – which was wonderful. I did a research on my own with help of several books and the Bible of course (mainly!) on Revelations during mid 80’s and my interpretation at the end of how things will happen are exactly as he experienced it in his dreams. Although I agree that the rapture is a fact and the true believers who prepare themselves now will be away – to heaven!!
Currently I am doing a lot of research/reading on the “new world order”and the origins etc. A very sad fact which I discovered (and because I am human and maybe wrong I won’t at this stage say it) figured out who this anti-christ guy is. He is alive and doing very well at the moment!! People will follow him because of who he is now – very sad!! We should really pray for people all over the world to wake up and repent and follow Jesus Christ in actions! God Bless you all!!
Hi my name is dean merchant I would like to contact ken peters can you help.
The only information I have is what is shown in this post, which at least gives you the name of his ministry. If you google that you can find his contact info.
Good day Ken Peter.
Please Read:
Philippines (Muslims,Christians and All Religious group must be united now in prayer, my visions and my dreams is very clear, Acts2:17 In the last days God will pour out his spirit on all people to prophesy,young men will see visions,verse 19 God will show wonders heaven above and signs of his coming, blood and fire and billows of smoke. Matthew24:7 Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom.
In my visions i saw a blood,fire and billow of smoke come upon our Nation, i saw the beast written in the Book of Revelation13, it is a Dangerous 7 head submarine who has 10 horns which is 10 missiles and resembled with a leopard which means camouflage, and i saw it out of the sea, in my dreams it is the Hidden Armor under the sea and it has an ultra magnetic wave that can dissolve any objects. in the Book of Ezekiel 13:16 peace sounds good, but there is no peace at all and it is only in Heaven. there are major Nations who wants to conquer the whole world and put the new world order. We consider this the World war 3 or the trial that come upon the whole world to test those who live on earth ,written in Revelation 3:10
I am really quite amazed at how there is a lack of understanding, with no distinction between the (Rapture of the Church) and (Christ’s coming in Power and Glory) for those who insist there is no Pre-Trib rapture. How can these people miss these (two) facts that are clearly revealed in the bible? The bible clearly states that when the rapture occurs Christ will descend from heaven with a shout. with the voice of an arch angel and the dead in Christ shall rise, and those who are alive and remain will be caught up with them in the air. Meaning Christ stops short of stepping foot on earth. Both the dead in Christ, and the living believers at the time are caught up to meet Him in the air. This is clear. Christ receives His bride who has adorned herself, and made herself ready! At which time the seven years of tribulation occur. Against all those who have rejected Christ and His offer of salvation. While Christ and His bride enjoy the feast, and marriage ceremony where Christ is then crowned King. After which Christ’s returns with His bride, where Christ touches down on earth at the Mount of Olives splitting it in two. Where He captures the antichrist and the false prophet and casts them both alive into the fiery furnace known as the lake of fire. Who deceived the nations. Don’t forget the part where those who are on the earth will see Him and his sign in heaven, and mourn. As well as the part about being deceived. The bible is infallible. It contains no errors. So there is no contradiction. There are clearly two separate occasions where Christ appears. First in the sky before the tribulation. Then secondly touching down on earth after the tribulation. What is so hard to understand about that? Christ’s second coming has two parts people! The Rapture, and His return in Power, and Glory! if you have not considered Christ’s offer of salvation please do so now. Time is running out. Blessed are those who gladly choose Him now. Those who do not will face the horrors of the tribulation. And if they do not conform. They will be martyred. Or if they accept the mark of the beast they will be put to shame before Christ, and all His followers. No Christian should live in a state of such fear, and anxiety looking forward to that period known as the great tribulation. There is no reason too. The bible clearly states that my people suffer for a lack of knowledge. The bible also says that if Christ shall set you free. You shall be free indeed! God Bless.
Your zeal is awesome, but you have misunderstood the timing of the events coming. I encourage you to rely only on the scriptures and not on the teachings of any man because there is so much confusion about these things. The order of the coming events is revealed in the scriptures. Your summary has contradicted many scriptures and failed to reference any to support the view of two more comings. You have only proposed a weak theory that because we meet him in the air that must mean there are two comings. We do not have to rely on weak theories when we have clear scriptures. I have identified many of them on this topic in my blog post: https://z3news.com/w/ten-things-that-must-happen-before-the-rapture/
The scriptures provided in that post prove the rapture will come at the start of the day of the Lord. God bless you as you study these things!
I had a small book by Townsend (sorry,I forgot his first name, as I haven’t found the copy) where he writes that the LORD told him,” I was conceived by the Holy Spirit ONCE, I was born ONCE, I was circumcised ONCE, baptized ONCE, crucified ONCE , resurrected ONCE, ascended into Heaven ONCE, and I am RETURNING ONCE (not twice)!
1 Thessalonians 4:16
“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a LOUD command, with the voice of the archangel and with the TRUMPET call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.”
Clearly not a secret, quiet, “thief in the night” entry. When I meet people coming over for a visit, I meet them at the door , or in the driveway; I am not leaving, rather they are coming to me, into my home. Same with Christ’s return, HE is coming, we meet HIM in the air AS HE returns (to the earth).
Revelation 11:15
“The seventh angel sounded his TRUMPET, and there were LOUD voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the WORLD has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”
His feet will touch the Mount of Olives and it will split in two.Not exactly a quiet, “secret” event.
Zechariah 14:4
“On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.”
That is an awesome word. I would like to know the full name of the person who received it if you find it. Thanks!
Amen !! Thank you Jasper. I agree with your PTR comments. Like you say, the scriptures are clear about the 2 separate incidents, namely the pretrib rapture of the Bride of Christ and the second coming of Christ. The PTR also fits with jewish wedding ceremony traditions too, which are spiritually symbolic as well as jewish physical feasts on specific days on the hebrew calendar. They are described in both the old and new testaments. Jesus already fulfilled some of the jewish feasts spiritually with his birth, death and resurrection. He fulfills the rest with the pretrib rapture, His second coming and the start of His millenial kingdom reign. The early believers were well aware of that. Many believed in the “imminence” of the raprture. ( Even though the prophetic events preceding it, had not come to pass for it back then ) Some were very worried indeed that they had missed it! Paul wrote to them to clarify that exact point, to comfort them. All through history various respected ( for their accurate reports ) biblical historians have written about the ekklesia, aka Born Again believers in Jesus Christ, believing in the pretrib rapture through the centuries, ever since His ascension. From the early church through the dark ages, through the Spanish inquisition, 1600s and 1700s right up to the present day. A PTR was well known and believed long before Darby, Schofield etc who are usually held up with some others, as the culprits, through whom, the church had been blatantly deceived by regarding their PT rapture doctrine. Its also been said, to go along with this, that the actual words for rapture are not in the English versions of the bible, therefore it doesnt exist. Well the words ” catching away” are there in English bible versions and the word for rapture is certainly in the Hebrew, Greek and Latin translations. However, most believers agree that there IS a rapture. It is where on the trib and great trib timeline that it occurs which is the key sticking point. Ive studied this for many years, being born again over 50yrs now, Praise God. My own conclusion, based on scripture, is one of a pretrib rapture… which actually triggers the start of the 7 years trib/great trib period. Yet, ultimately each of us has to make our own minds up, hopefully being as gracious as we can to each other…as we agree to disagree. Ive seen terrible anger erupt between people, even ruining friendships, over this subject, over the year. That is clearly not what our Lord wants. One day we will all know for certain. Meantime, Im going to focus on living a day at a time in personal relationship with Jesus through the power of His Holy Spirit. Asking Him for wisdom and guidance as I try to share the gospel with the unsaved around me. An eternal hell is far worse than the great tribulation if they dont know Jesus as Saviour and Lord. Currently, in this changing, unprecedented coronavirus situation, many believers sense we are surely in the season now of these things starting to come to pass as written in the book of revelation/daniel/ 1 thessalonians 4/ matthew 24; like the fig tree parable spoken of by Jesus. God bless everyone who has contributed to these very interesting and thought / prayer prevoking threads. And God bless you James for running this excellent website. Maranatha!
I loved reading this page James.
What do you think about the US military having 30,000 guillotines?
This is a widely known fact. Youtube if you are not around this yet.
Kind regards,
John
I have seen some information about it. I would not be surprised if it is true, but I don’t have any first hand knowledge to share about it. It fits with other things the Lord has revealed to me and to others.
People need to understand as much as I think what Ken says is true he no longer does. He does not believe it was from God. This is why you dont hear him ever talking about it. You can email till your blue in the face and he will talk.
That is simply not true. You can read at the beginning of the transcript where Ken refutes that rumor.
Someone has been trying to discredit a God-given vision by saying Ken no longer believes it.
He has never doubted it came from God.
PRETRIB RAPTURE STEALTH !
Many evangelicals believe that Christ will “rapture” them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his “tribulation.” But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father’s right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. See also Heb. 10:12, 13. (“The Rapture Question,” by longtime No. 1 pretrib expert John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above Acts verses! They were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters”!)
Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess.4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel’s posttrib resurrection!) It’s amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the “great commission” for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
Many don’t know that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into an idolized separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which evangelical scholars overwhelmingly rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google “Walvoord Melts Ice” for more on this, and also Google “Pretrib Rapture Pride.”
Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture,” “The Real Manuel Lacunza,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” and “Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View” – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot.”
Sorry Jeff, “The restitution of all things” includes the salvation of Israel which will happen during the tribulation. It is a seven year process that Jesus is very much a part of and Israel will be saved when the Jews see the holes in Jesus’ hands, feet and side, Zech. 13:6.
Thank you SO MUCH for transcribing that message. It must have taken absolutely hours. What a blessing to the Body. I thank God for you.
It did take some time, but using Siri on my Ipad helped me get it done a lot faster. Thanks for the positive feedback! God bless you!
Make your calling election sure, in his dream many christians in the center took the mark. I want to make the rapture. “WHATEVER HAPPENS THINKING A LIE FROM THE DEVIL”
Please tell me what date Mr. Peters gave his talk to the Prophecy Club.
It is important for me to know.
He said that in two years we will see a global economic collapse.
If he said that in 2013, then it is imminent.
I would very much appreciate to know what date he gave his talk.
Thank you.
Linda
I don’t know the exact date of his presentation, but you could ask Stan Johnson at Prophecyclub.com. However, I don’t recall hearing Ken Peters say anything about a global economic collapse. I transcribed his presentation word for word in this post, but there was nothing about an economic collapse in the transcript.
Amen, I am with you 100% No matter what happens we are protected in Christ!
Dear brother James Baily,
here is my two cents on Ken’s dream advocating a pre-trib/wrath rapture. I do not know if you agree or disagree with my discernment because from what I understood you left the possibility open. I will do the same, after all the future is clearer once it is behind us. We have to keep in mind that Jesus will come for his bride. “I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.” Those who believes in a post-trib rapture would say that the ones taken are those who are bound together to be burned in the fire and the righteous are left behind. To that I say that when the angels are told to bind and cast people into the fire the world is in such a turmoil that no man could sleep in any bed.
Over to Ken Peters’ dream. The fact that he did not see anyone get transformed does not mean that people did not get transformed. We don’t know how that will happen because none of us have seen it yet. Ken told us that the people in gowns who were resurrected simply disappeared. So then it would stand to reason that people who was raptured would also have disappeared at the same time as they got their new bodies. No where in the bible does it say that those who are left behind will witness the transformation of those who are alive and remain. This would explain why people were saddened beyond anything Ken had ever seen in his life. People who they loved had disappeared and they did not know where they had went.
Further evidence can be found later in Ken’s dream when the old man’s countenance changes from happy to extremely sad as he relates to Ken how he had missed the appointed time of the Lord – that he had “not been right with the Lord”. What exactly had he missed? What was this appointed time? He was called “the evangelist” and did great miracles, so why was he sad? I can only seem to find one answer to this, that he had missed the rapture. Not because he didn’t believe in one but because he was not right with the Lord, something we all are in danger of including myself.
I just wanted to share this discernment of Ken’s prophetic dream and I do so in all humility and love. I think it strengthens the hope within us.
Sincerely, a brother in Christ Jesus
You make some very good points. The sadness of everyone who was left does make it sound like all of the Christians might have been raptured already. I also thought about the old man’s comments. Perhaps he was not ready to go and was left behind. In any case, I know the scriptures tell us God has not appointed us to wrath. So either we get out of here or we stay here while he protects us from the wrath being poured out. I honestly do not know yet which way it will happen but either way we are on the winning team!
Could i just interject, with something to think about. When Ken saw the Resurrection of the dead, the next part of the vision he describes the fact that the would world were ‘in mourning’, ‘depressed. If the true believers had not gone as well, what would the world have to be depressed about?
When the dead in Christ are raised, those who remain and are alive will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. (1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18)
However, the scriptures are the final authority on everything we need to know, so any vision we receive must be judged by the scriptures and not the other way around. Jesus described His return and the gathering of the saints, but He said that happens AFTER the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). Paul confirms it by saying the day of the Lord does not happen until after the man of lawlessness is revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)