For the last two weeks, the Lord has had me reading and He has been speaking into my life the entire 139th Psalm. But today, He told me to go inside and write.
Being obedient, I did what He commanded. You can read the entire Psalm 139 for yourself, but verses 23-24 go with the main theme of what He spoke to me.
23 Search me O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts;
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. (Psalm 139:23-24)
The word God gave me is recorded below. With any word given through me, take it to the Lord for yourself to see if it is from God.
“Many are not ready for what I will soon do in this land. There will be an event where many lives will be lost. They are not ready. They think they are ready, but there are not ready.
I am a Holy God, and I require Holiness. Did you think America’s wickedness would not be exposed to the World? I expose all sin. There is not a sin a man can commit that I do not see and know about. If a man tries to hide sin in his heart, I see it and I will expose it. No man can say I did not give them the opportunity to repent from their sin.
Even while you are contemplating sin, I know it. Many people think they are saved, but they are not because they refuse to repent [turn away] from their sin. I, the Lord, see everything. I know your heart, and true intentions. I know your coming and I know your going. I know every word spoken out loud, and in your heart.
What is this lie you say, ‘It is just a little sin?’ If you sin and do not repent and you die in your sins, you will surely be found in hell.
When this sudden event comes and many die, people who thought they were saved will be found in everlasting torment, where there is no ending. Events and judgments are coming upon this land, with greater magnitude. The next major event will involve the destruction of a city. From there on, I will allow whole cities, and parts of cities to be taken out in the wrath of my judgment.
Tell My people this, ‘If you are not right with Me today, and you perish, you will not have a second chance to get right with me. Your punishment will be everlasting.’
Time is short, many of you mock My prophets and watchmen. But soon, I will silence your mouth permanently.
What is this you say? ‘These things are not coming. I have more time. The American military will save me and so will a President?’”
Thus says the Lord, “As surely as I live, no military, no president, or human can save you. My son Jesus is the savior for the whole world. For you say, it’s not coming, but the Lord says it shall surely come, and you will get a double portion of My wrath for mocking My prophets and watchmen.
Rape and roving gang violence will come to this land, and in that day both a woman and a man will say, ‘Have your way with me, but give me bread to eat in return.’ The day will come when a man will be assassinated for a can of beans, and clean water.’
For those of you who play church, I will soon pull down the curtain on your act. I am a God that shall not be played with. I am Holy, and Mighty. I am the Holiest of the Holies, I am the Mightiest of the Mighty. When I speak a word, it happens. If you think you are saved, and you have not kept My commandments, on that great and dreadful day, you will find out how saved you are.”
God says, “Come back to Me and repent daily. I required the pastors to teach holiness, and many have been slacking and not doing what I have commanded them. Thus I, the Lord, will blot them out of the Lambs Book of Life. But, to all the pastors who have taught Holiness, I, The Lord, will remember them, and great is their reward.
I the Lord say, ask of Me and, see what you are doing to displease Me. I will surely tell you. I desire no man should perish, but the sin in this land is causing your own death. Turn from your wicked ways. For if a man repents at the last minute, and dies, it is better for that man than a man who chooses to sin at the last minute and dies. I, the Lord God, say, come back to me and keep My commandments and you will be found in right standing with me. I am the Lord God, and My Holiness is supreme.”
It is important to understand, God didn’t tell me when the event would be or how the city would be destroyed. It could be from an earthquake, dirty bomb, or a day of Jihad in which the city is burned to the ground. Also, when God said, “the next major event,” please keep in mind He is determining this as major, not me. Events like what happened in San Bernardino CA or the Pulse night club in Orlando FL will not compare to this event. I understood the magnitude of this event as He was speaking to me.
I encourage everyone to give your life to Jesus today. Tomorrow isn’t promised to anyone.
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From my Note … ” Dreams and Visions ” :
4. This is a dream I had BEFORE 9/11. I was in a flat land area of the US , and there was an old farm house in front of me. Someone was with me, but don’t know who. To my right ( about 2 o’clock from the North ), I saw a mushroom cloud appear. The Lord spoke to me and said ” This didn’t come from afar, it came from within “. Saints, this is yet to come…
The month of Cheshvan has started. That was a month I was watching for a Japan earthquake, especially at the beginning of the month at the anniversary of the plague of dever.
The flood destruction of Houston could be the very fulfillment of this word the Lord had given me, on Oct 19, 2016. I had completely forgot about this word. With worst of the flooding yet to come, and more flooding rains scheduled around the 5th through 11th of September, by another possible storm developing in the Yucatan and the Caribbean, which this could be another 9-11 event, this could do more damage, and kill a lot more people.
The destruction toll from Harvey is expected to be the costliest in American history. And, there could be more deaths we haven’t heard of yet, and with more rain on the way next week, more could die, which is heartbreaking. Also, Michael Snyder reported parts of this city will be uninhabitable for a long time.
I’m already hearing stories of roving gangs. The Cajun Navy was shot at. I’ve seen pictures of extreme price gouging. It’s starting look like Katrina in New Orleans, possibly even worse. Looting will take place. It certainly looks like the levy is going to be breached in Houston.
Pray and keep speaking repentance all who have. Don’t let false prophets tell you everything will be alright if America doesn’t get its house in order. Full repentance at anytime, is better than no repentance at no time. It could be your city next. Kim Jun Un could hit your city at any moment. So many scenarios keep on speaking repentance.
Matt
Interesting that you speak of Sep 11 and N korea. Economist Martin Armstrong has these dates for a possible war with NK according to his war cycle.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/next-target-for-north-korea-sept-11th12th/
Yes, if you look at a long range weather map,
http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/mobile/caribbean/ecmwf-caribbean.html
You can see two storms forming during those times, one taking the same path as Harvey.
Plus the threat of a NK attack still isn’t out of the question on 9-11.
The one brewing right now will be tropical storm/hurricane Irma. Latin and American meaning of the name is Noble. German meaning is War Goddess.
And José would be the next named storm after Irma. José means, “God gives increase.”
My original comment disappeared. Strange… Anyways, just confirmed that Irma is now officially a tropical storm. Could be a cat 1 hurricane by Friday with possible U.S. landfall in September.
Matt, I respectfully disagree, and i think it’s way too early to make the consideration. The destruction of a city would be much more severe, to the point where the whole city itself is uninhabitable and desolate. Houston has some terrible flooding, which already has begun to drop, and approximately 30 deaths. In comparison to Hurricane Katrina, with a death total of about 1833. Yes, some areas are uninhabited, but that does happen in most large hurricane disasters until the area is done with recovery.
I think this destruction of a city is still to come.
Was just lead back to this word. God gave our family in 2003, this same warning. He said, you will not forget this day, mark it on your calendar, you will not forget this day. For fire will fall and will wipe out a city. It will wipe out a city. I have you not be ignorant my child. I feel this is right around the corner. I don’t know why this one article was in bold writing on a old post I shared with a friend, from back in October.
I have to wonder if the fires in Gatlinburg are what Matt is describing here.
7.3 magnitude earthquake near Fukishima! Could be a prequake as happened in 2011. http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/00000000095.html
Tsunami warning in effect. http://www.jma.go.jp/en/tsunami/
7.8 magnitude earthquake in New Zealand. Are all the Z3ers from there alright? Praying for you guys
Tsunami waves are coming ashore. https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37967178?client=ms-android-google
Praying for New Zealand. Be safe!
Matt I wanted you to know that my kids and I made it to the jungle. You said God showed you we needed to get to the jungle. My daughter got a writing scholarship and we were invited to a real jungle. I remembered the word God gave you. God provided the way for us to get here. Thank you Matt. God Bless You and your family. It’s beautiful here!
God is good
God is very good! I’m so thankful to God for his true prophets as well. Listen to Gods prophets and you will prosper! Gods creation is so beautiful. Its Paradise on earth.
Matt, this was page one of ten of a word God gave my brother and we know this is for now. There is much more in it but, I just wanted to share because I have said God, I will hold other prophets words that fall in line on which was given to our family in a prayer meeting at my home. YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS DAY, SAYS THE LORD, MARK IT ON YOUR CALENDER, YOU WILL NOT FORGET THIS DAY. YOU WILL NOT BE THE SAME FROM THIS DAY FORWARD, IAM CALLING YOU TO ME. THIS DAY WAS APPOINTED BEFORE OUR BIRTHS. WE ARE FULLFILLING OUR ETERNAL DESTINY. YOU HAVE ASKED MANY TIMES, WHAT VALUE IS THERE IN MY LIFE? BUT, I THE LORD YOUR GOD SAYS TO YOU, YOU ARE MORE PRECIOUS THAN SILVER, MORE COSTLY THAN GOLD. AND I AM REDEEMING YOU. THIS IS THAT, THAT THE PROPHET JOEL SPOKE OF. I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT UPON ALL FLESH, YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHECY, YOUR PLD MEN DREAM DREAMS AND YOUNG MEN WILL SEE VISIONS. FOR I THE LORD YOUR GOD AM SPEAKING THIS TO YOU. FIRE IS ABOUT TO RAIN, FIRE IS ABOUT TO RAIN, BUT I WILL SHELTER YOU BENEATH MY WINGS. FOR I HAVE HIDDEN YOU IN THE CLEATH OF THE ROCK. NO EVIL WILL BE FALL YOU. IF YOU COULD ONLY SEE, IF YOU CAN ONLY SEE. FOR FIRE WILL FALL AND WILL WIPE OUT A CITY. IT WILL WIPE OUT A CITY. I WILL NOT HAVE YOU BE IGNORANT MY CHILD. I AM REVEALING THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD. YOU SHALL WALK IN A NEW REALM. YOU HAVEN’T BEGUN TO LIVE, YOU HAVEN’T BEGUN TO LIVE. THEN MY RAIN WILL FALL. PRAISE WILL COME FORTH WHEN YOU SEE THESE THINGS COME TO PAST. YOU WILL EXPERIENCE VICTORY AFTER VICTORY, FOR I AM IN YOUR MIDST RIGHT NOW. SUPERNATURAL IS ALREADY OCCURING IN THE HEAVENLY’S AND IS DESCENDIN ON THE EARTH. FIRE WILL NOT ONLY BE JUDGEMENT, BUT WILL BE PURGING TO MY PEOPLE. THESE FIRES WILL PREPARE YOU FOR THE RAIN. ( Matt, this is just one and a half pages of God giving different events to us as a family) It goes onto say that after this first event, there will be another with in the next month will be utter destruction. It will shock the world. It has been our guide to keep us from being deceived. The first warning to us, is not to be deceived. And I know God gave this word so I will measure off of what He gave to us. and to tell you the truth, you are one of those, that bare witness with me for sure.
I had a dream recently where I was traveling cross country and I received a phone call from a friend who said, “Laura Texas has been hit.” I don’t know what hit means? God did not reveal the meaning.
I had another dream in the past where I saw a missile in a dream flying over Pennington funeral home in San Marcos, Texas. It flew over the Texaco station in ,Lakeway, a city in Texas and over Lake Travis as well.
In my dream I heard the audible voice of the Holy Spirit say “I am dropping an Adam B. because the people have not listened to my prophets. It was close to the homes and I could feel the wind from it in my dream. I did not see it explode which made me believe that with prayer it could be stopped. I have been praying that this event is stopped.
While I was in NYC. and New Jersey I had a dream and I saw a planet explode while I was in Time square in NYC. What I saw looked exactly like the photo that James posted when he shared Joanie Stahl’s prophetic dream. Joanie saw Texas hit as well in her dream. Of course I am praying for the protection of Texas. Many people are praying for the protection of Texas.
As far as NYC is concerned my daughter saw that they need to watch the world trade center again in her dream. We have been praying for NYC as well. We prayed and stopped the baal arch from going up when we were in NYC through prayer, but when we left the area I thought we had finished that warfare and succeeded. We never should have stopped praying. I repent for that. I saw that it was built in NYC last month which is terrible news. Why would anyone in their right mind erect that gateway. How foolish.
I recently heard. Sound the Alarm. Get into the ark. I pray for unity in the body of Christ. I pray for God’s perfect will to be done on earth as it is in heaven and for souls to be saved. I pray that each of us is where God desires us to be. May God’s destiny and purpose in life be fulfilled in each of us and in our children as well. May the division in the body of Christ end. I pray that we unite and do the perfect will of God at all times. I pray for the spirit of truth and I pray that the very elect are not deceived. I bind all lying spirits in the name of Jesus Christ and loose the spirit of Truth. God watch over us all and protect us all supernaturally. Let God’s perfect will be done in our lives. It hurts like hell to even have one fingernail missing from the body of Christ. God heal the body of Christ. Help us to function in perfect unity according to your perfect will. Watch over us and protect each of us and our children and our families God during these turbulent times. Lead and direct our footsteps. I bind division in the body of Christ and I loose perfect unity in Jesus mighty name. May you be glorified Jesus/God. As for me and my family we serve the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We believe that Jesus died on the Cross to save us and that he is the son of God and our savior. Peace be with you all in Jesus Christ.
When you prayed for unity in the body of Christ I remembered a word from the Lord given to me a few weeks ago. He revealed that he was going to move in the area of unity. He Brought to my attention the “pledge of alligence” that when it says one “nation ” under God, that it should mean to us one “people ” under God.
That when we hear the word nation we think of it as a place, instead of people. That at one time this nation was made up of Indian tribes, called in total the Indian nation. He is going to change our view point. Part of seeing this nation as a place instead of people is because of idolatry. We as a nation are caught up in possessions.
I have a feeling ownership of land, or even a home, will be a thing of the past, and we need to get prepared for it. Maybe seeing this nation as people instead of a place will take some of the sting out of what is coming.
I also think being identified as Americans coming from America , is much better than coming from the United States, more unity.
I think something could happen in the next three days. The target seems to be NY. Very strange dreams last night. I hope that people are not “going out” for the devil’s day.
A converted North Korean passenger plan carries an EMP weapon over the unsuspecting USA as seen by Leslie Johnson in today’s broadcast at the Prophesy Club.comhttp://www.prophecyclub.com/
Matt, as I have pondered the word the Lord spoke through you, I have sensed
the following concerning “The Next Event” and the call to Repentance
before the Lord.
The following is what I believe the Lord has shown me in response to the word He gave you.
THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY IS IN A TIME OF WAITING AND SILENCE
During the past week I have been carefully listening, watching and waiting before the Lord. I have sensed that The Lord God Almighty is now in a time of Silence and also a time of Waiting.
God has been Silent because “The Next Event” is going to mark the beginning of the outpouring of His Judgements against this Nation. It is a time that Our
Father ordained from the beginning, but not a time Our Father has looked
forward to. In the past we the redeemed have all be all experienced His Great Mercy. In this Nation few if any of us have seen or experienced the pouring out
of His Wrath and His Judgements. I believe God has been silent because
of the significance of the event(s) and time that will come next.
An event of Final Judgement against this Nation.
God has been Waiting because his heart is that all men would repent and be saved and that none would be lost. During the time of waiting He has been weighing the hearts of men. He knows that some have repented due to the warnings and revelations of The Word, the watchmen and prophets. He also knows that others have mocked the warnings and they have mocked the mercy and love of our Lord God Almighty.
The scales have been tipped one way or the other for all men. The tip of the scales for every man are now clear to the Judge of Heaven and Earth. God has patiently waited for the very last fruit to be harvested during the extended season of His Mercy.
Tonight I picked the very last fruit off my pear and pomegranate trees. As I did so, I sensed the Lord say the last of the harvest during my time of Mercy has been gathered in. It is now time for Judgement to begin in this Nation. It is time for the end time harvest to begin. It can only come during the time of Tribulation. Many more will now be saved, but only out of the Judgements that I bring on this nation.
Our God is Faithful and Jealous. All of His Ways are Right and True. His Timing is Perfect.
All of the Harvest belongs to Him and Him alone. He will not allow the enemy to steal any who belong to Him. Through His Righteous Judgement The Lord God Almighty will break through the prison doors, the darkness and the delusions of the enemy. He will set the captives free. Father may your Will be done here on earth as it is in Heaven just as you have established from before there was time.
As Jesus has encouraged all of servants in Luke 21:28 and Luke 21:36
“When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
“Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
May all His Saints stand up and lift our heads with great expectation in their hearts as this time of God’s Redemption for many, many souls begins to take place. May we Rejoice and Be Glad, for this indeed is the time and day the Lord has made. May we all be faithful to hear what He is saying and see what He is doing.
I’m beside myself happy the God has called me as one of the last fruit of the harvest as you described. I used to be very devoted to God a decade ago and the fell away. Really I was more just a lukewarm Catholic. About a month ago I forced myself to start praying the Rosary, very begrudgingly. But it worked and I’d say around the 18th God called me, blessed me to where I felt his intense love for me and his desire for me to be on His side. I found z3 quite by accident last week when it got very busy and then quiet. I am changed again! I wake up with Glory for God and try to pray all day in my mind with whatever I’m doing. I could never be this devoted on my own and seriously never have been. So for those of you who have been atz3 for a while, please know the prayers are working.
A powerful word from Glenda Linkous this morning: Tragedy is Coming
http://wingsofprophecy.blogspot.ca/
Concerning this warning and the recent warnings from Pastor Faircloth, Matt Smith, and Bette Stevens, I have felt a growing concern for the World Series games that will be played in Chicago this weekend. As I keep our nation in my prayers daily, I pray for the Lord’s hand of protection for the people of Chicago
and from any evil plans devised for this coming satanic holiday weekend, that may be defeated.
This seems to confirm what you saw Matt.
from Kevin Mirasi (http://injesuschrististand.blogspot.de/2016/10/vision-prophecy-of-sudden-destruction.html)
VISION (PROPHECY) OF A SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMING UPON THE EARTH:
In a very fast and instant Vision of The LORD God Almighty, The LORD Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit, on 23rd October 2016, I found myself in a Place where I saw everything going “Normally”; including Business enterprises and Residential avenues. The LORD then made me know that destruction is coming, and is about to hit, but everyone in the Place thought everything was “Normal.” They essentially were not aware of what was coming Suddenly (Instantly).
The Vision of The LORD then ended.
So, there is a Sudden Destruction coming upon the earth; when it occurs, People will be “Caught off-guard” and “Unaware”. The exact location was not revealed to me. Even though from the Vision of The LORD, it seems like whatever is coming to cause the Sudden Destruction, will be coming from the Sky in the direction of The Sea (Ocean); because where I was in the Vision of The LORD, was adjacent to the Sea (on the Eastern Side of The Land; from where the Business enterprises & Residential Avenues were situated). The Sea (Ocean) being on the Eastern Side of The Land.
The LORD will always Protect His Faithful Sons and Daughters.
SHALOM!!!
* what you heard*, not what you saw….
This dream seems to match
Just last week on October 22, as I was praying and seeking God, I saw myself in a line at the grocery store. All of a sudden, there was a blast–I sensed it in my spirit as a “wave” of energy, and it shook me. I realized that time was standing still, frozen at that particular moment. I was not harmed, but I sensed in my spirit that nothing would look the same ever again. I know in my “knower” that a “catastrophe unknown to man” as the Lord called it is on the horizon. Stay connected to the Source of all life my friends, even if all connections in the earth are severed.
Sherry,
That was a very powerful vision and very good advice.
Sherry, I have had similar things that the Holy Spirit has been speaking to me and showing me. I saw a flash of light one day in prayer with the word “Suddenly” coming to mind. I was cleaning my house and I felt the Spirit tell me that I needed to “hold loosely the things of this world.” As if I need to be prepared to leave it all behind if necessary. Both of these things were months ago, but it has helped me to prepare in a way. If something suddenly happens that forces my family to leave I can at least rest in knowing that God has a plan. He always does, but our faith can so easily be shaken while walking in the “fire” for sure. God bless you!
Wow….. Thanks for sharing sherry.
This is off topic, but I would like to pose a Bible Study Question. (Z3 has such a great body of believer and incredibly knowledgeable people that I felt this would be an ideal place to get credible input.) I am doing my own personal study on the 144,000 and the two witnesses, and I came up with the following question: How do you determine who is considered Jewish? Is it by religious belief, lineage from one of the 12 tribes of Israel, lineage from the tribe of Judah or some other way? I do understand that when we become a believer we are grafted into the vine, but this is something I have been thinking about and would welcome other knowledge. Please include scriptural reference if available. Thank You in advance.
Just a couple of things I’ll throw out for your consideration. While doing some study in Revelation a couple of weeks ago it occurred to me that the 144,000 mentioned in chapters 7 and 14 just might be two different groups. I, like most I believe, have always assumed they were the same group, but I’m not so sure they are. In Revelation 7:4 John “heard the number” (exact phraseology he uses in 9:16) of those who were “sealed” on their foreheads, and he then goes on to designate 12,000 coming from each tribe, absent the tribe of Dan (AC’s?). This may be the group of remnant Jews the Lord is going to preserve (12:14) through the time of Jacob’s trouble (GT).
In contrast to the chapter 7 group, the chapter 14 group is not “sealed” on their foreheads, but rather have the Father’s name “written” on their foreheads. Since sealed and written are two different words in the Greek they can’t mean the same thing. Additionally, John does not use the words “heard the number” when referring to the chapter 14 group, so maybe he’s using the number 144,000 as some sort of perfect divine representation of a select group of believers. It’s my contention that this select group might in fact be the Bride of Christ, because in Revelation 3 the Lord tells the church of Philadelphia that because they have kept His command to persevere, that He will keep them from the hour of trial (GT), which shall come upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth. My epiphany occurred when I read that Jesus is going to “write” the name (3:12) of His God and the name of the city (3:12, 21:9) of His God, on this group. Based on this, I believe the church of Philadelphia and the 144,000 in chapter 14 are one in the same. Additionally, because chapter 14 immediately follows the rise of the Beast System/Beast and False Prophet in chapter 13, the sequence/timing of events Paul tells us to expect concerning the catching away described in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, aligns perfectly.
Can’t speak definitively to your Jewish lineage question other than to say that the Lord knows lineage, as well as how to maintain it better than anyone, so if these 144,000 are truly Jewish then they will truly be some threshold %, based on the Lord’s sovereign will, of Jewish descent. The Lord was able to keep 7,000 reserved for Himself during the rampant Baal worshiping of Elijah’s day, so He’s well able to do the same today.
Regarding the the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem, I’ve come to believe that they are Enoch and Elijah. Since the scriptures say that it’s appointed once for man to die, and then the judgement (Heb 9:27), and they are the only two people we have biblical record of that never died, it appears they are the only ones it could be. Many believe Moses rather than Enoch, thinking both have to be Jewish, but I believe that not to be true because aside from him having already died once, a physical resurrection of Moses before the “time” would contradict the scriptures.
Apologize for the long response but hopefully some of this has been helpful.
Randy
There is only one group of 144,000. They are sealed with the name of God written on their forehead.
Think there are two based on the clear distinction between how they are each identified. We’ll soon see.
Seems like a stretch, the two groups of 144,000. Revelation is not 100% chronological and generally those that think there are two seperate groups of 144k are trying to make it chronological, but a 100% chronological reading is simply impossible, A number of times/scenes are shown more than one time from different perspectives at a higher level or lower level with either more or less detail given to the parts of the scene. Sure, we shall soon see
RC,
Thank you so much for your reply. Your observation is very interesting because the very reason I was trying to find lineage of the 144,000 is because I questioned whether they could to be divided. I have questioned whether the 144,000 could be related to The Two Witnesses. I personally believe The Two Witnesses are two groups of people, and not two literal people. The reason I think this way is because of Rev. 11:4 says -These (the two witnesses) are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. Rev. 1:20b says -the seven LAMPSTANDS which you saw are the seven CHURCHES. So, I have questioned whether the two witnesses are the Jewish believers (olive tree) and the gentile believers, the church (lampstands). We know the two witnesses can’t be killed for 1260 days while they witness. (144,000 can’t be killed, they have the seal of God and can’t be harmed). Also Rev 11:7 says- “When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.” I find it hard to believe the beast would need to make ‘war’ with two individual people to kill them. Once God allows them to be killed it should be pretty easy to kill just two people, but to kill many believers would be more of a war.
I was told once while I was praying that the job of believers is to BE A TESTAMENT TO GOD’S GLORY. Testament is- to give a testimony, who gives a testimony, a witness. RC, I appreciate your insights and observations. I will now go to my Bible and dig even deeper. One more thing, I believe the Holy Spirit led me to the answer to my original question concerning lineage. Isaiah 51:2 “Look to Abraham your father, And to Sarah who bore you;” and Heb. 11-12 “Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude—innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.” I have to take from this that it is the lineage from Abraham and Sarah that matters and not where the tribes ended up or what the belief system was. I would welcome others verses from anyone that is impressed to share.
I believe the two witnesses will also include the church (for a limited time) somehow as well because of the lamp stand (church)/olive tree (Israel) reference, but also believe there will be two men, literally, testifying in Jerusalem for 1260 days, just as God says.
That could be the case. Rev 11:4 says- these are the TWO olives tress and the TWO lampstands… It could be a group and an individual. This must be prayed about.
Enoch-means “Dedicated”
Elijah-means “My God Is Jehovah, God of Jehovah”
Moses-means “Drawn”
Just thinking outloud, not saying this is truth, but if one witness is Enoch-“Dedicated,” and the other Moses-“Drawn,” then one group could represent Enoch, the dedicated group, and the other group could represent Moses the drawn group,
Not saying this is factual, but the names of the two witness could have meaning behind their name.
*a metaphorical meaning behind their name
Thank you for looking that up. I agree, we are not claiming any of these IDEAS are factual, but I believe it is very helpful to bounce ideas off of each other. We don’t want any debates, what we do want is to say “hey, have you thought about this or noticed that?” We are to help each other and work together. I greatly welcome the knowledge of others. I am the first to admit I am not a master Bible scholar and I am still learning, and most of all praying that I will be led by the Spirit.
Great WITNESS in my spirit right now. Be drawn to God and be dedicated to Him alone to know Him intimately and declare Him as Jehovah! amen
B. Hansen, you have a very interesting perspective about the two witness. I do enjoy your line of thinking. I have wondered has anybody, recently had a vision or dream of the two witness?
Matt in answer to your question the I believe the holy spirits showed me that Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses. This happened whilst I was praying in the spirit on Monday 19th September 2016 and I have prayed for subsequent confirmations and received the same answer. Stay blessed!
Holy Spirit*
Matt,
You might find this message by Bro. Sadhu very helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnUIsiZIyac
My understanding is that the 12 tribes are not all Jewish. The Jew is from the single tribe of Judah. However, the 12 tribes are all Israelites. Abraham – Isaac – Jacob (Israel). The 12 tribes are all descendants of Abraham’s seed. I believe the Lord has shown me that the 10 northern tribes really were scattered and that those people living primarily in America via Great Britain are descendants of the tribes of Manasseh and Ephraim. There is much evidence of this tracing all the way back to the original occupation of the Promised Land and what happened to separate them. Blood is incredibly important to the Lord which is evidenced by his handling of the flood and how Jesus’ blood line was preserved. The creator of the universe is able to protect blood lines supernaturally ensuring that at the time of the end the 144000 are perfectly positioned in body, mind, and spirit to accomplish the Lord’s purposes!
Rachel, Thank you for this insight. I now realize the Bible speaks of the Nation of Israel, which would be all the tribes and the Jews, which would be just the tribe of Judah. So, would you say the olive tree/vine is just the tribe of Judah and would the other tribes be considered gentiles?
I also was led to study this just recently. Israel begins as Jacob. Then later on the sons of Israel (Jacob) are referred to as Israel. Then the 12 tribes get divided into 2 kingdoms (Judah and Israel) with Judah consisting of the 2 tribes Judah and Benjamin and Israel consisting of the ten tribes of Asher, Dan, Gad, Issachar, Joseph [2 tribes: Ephraim and Manasseh], Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Zebulun.
Through the bible when the name Israel is used it refers to people. There are times that the bible refers to the “land of Israel” but when it mentions Israel it refers to people. The nation of Israel was not there at the time. Today everyone speaks of Israel as that nation, but I can not find that in scripture. The land of Israel was much larger than the nation of Israel. Then they quote the scripture that talks about what will happen if someone divides the land of Israel. But apparently since that scripture was written the land of Israel has been divided and shrunk to the point that the nation called Israel is a tiny remnant of the land of Israel, of the land of the sons of Israel. From my study I believe when the bible talks of Israel it is referring to the tribes and not the nation we see today. The capital of Judah (Jerusalem) is very important and will see and experience much in the future but Israel is His people. And I also believe in what Rachel stated through my study and through revelation that there is more of Israel here in the united states than over there. There are some reasons to this that I can’t find in scripture yet but believe the Lord is leading me to believe it is an end time reason. And the judgments against Israel (the tribes of Israel) for turning their backs on the Lord are getting ready to happen again. That is one of the reasons why I believe judgments will hit the US so hard, because the large portion of Israel that is here in the US has turned their backs once again on their Lord.
Darrell,
Thank you! This jogs my memory from my early days of being a baby Christian and listening to Kay Arthur talk about The Northern Kingdom and The Southern Kingdom.
I appreciate your time spent responding and I am so thankful the Holy Spirit led you to do this study.
Also, something that I thought was very interesting. I used to think of God’s chosen as the Jews (meaning those living in today’s Israel) and then we were the Gentiles. But if I am not mistaken, the word used for Gentiles just means non-whatever. And in this case it just meant non-Yehudim. Or non-descendant from the tribe of Judah. So the bible really reads – To the tribe of Judah first and then to all else, including the other 11 tribes. Because the tribe of Judah was the chosen tribe of David and also the Lord.
I’m not sure about the 144,000. I do think I may have understanding concerning 1 witnesses. I mentioned this somewhere else on Z3 comments. Here is a least a little of what I believe.
Almost 13 years ago, I believe the Lord gave me understanding of Zechariah 4 and it’s prophetic significance (I believe it is all prophetic and pertaining to the witnesses). That there is a future Zerubbabel, who will be revealed in these last days. Because of this, I began to search the scriptures for mention of his name to try and gain understanding of future prophetic messages. In December 2015, I believe the book of Haggai and its prophetic significance was mostly unveiled to me. I was already quite sure that this message in Haggai was future 2:20-23 (as most bible students probably would). I believe This is proven because the writer of Hebrews (60-65 Ad.) in Hebrews 12:25-27 quotes Haggai 2:6 (520 bc) as an event that had not yet occurred in (60-65 AD) .In this, the writer of Hebrews states that on Mount Sinai with Moses, His voice then shook the earth but that a time would come that the Lord would shake not only the earth, but also the heavens. Here it is:
Hebrews 12:25-27 Nasb
25See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven. 26And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “YET ONCE MORE I WILL SHAKE NOT ONLY THE EARTH, BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN.” 27This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28
The enlarged words in verse 26 is a quote of Haggai 2:6 it is unfulfilled and represents the final shaking. Because Zerubbabel is mentioned in a message, wherein, a future event (shaking of both heavens and earth), is mentioned, we can safely conclude Haggai 2:20-23 and Haggai 2:1-9 is not directed to the Zerubbabel of antiquities, as he is no longer alive. Hence, there is a future Zerubbabel to soon be revealed.
It is my understanding that on the 24th day of 9th month (our year 2015) the Lord spoke this message off the pages of the Bible, Through the prophet Haggai. This word was spoken, On the date it states. Here is Haggai 2:20-23 ESV (please, I will add one period not placed by the transators so you might see from My perspective.
20The word of the LORD came a second time to Haggai. (Period) On the twenty-fourth day of the month, 21“Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I am about to shake the heavens and the earth, 22and to overthrow the throne of kingdoms. I am about to destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the nations, and overthrow the chariots and their riders. And the horses and their riders shall go down, every one by the sword of his brother.23On that day, declares the LORD of hosts, I will take you, O Zerubbabel my servant, the son of Shealtiel, declares the LORD, and make you like ac signet ring, for I have chosen you, declares the LORD of hosts.”
This is a strongly veiled message, but Again, it is my understanding that this message has gone forth. That as it states, it was spoken on the 24th day of the 9th month,(9th month According to the month Haggai received the first message earlier that day, see Haggai 2:10. My understanding is, that There is no way to avoid what will happen, it has been spoken. My logic (not 100% sure), tells me this will occur before the 24th day of the 9th month 2016..
Essentially Zerubbabel in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2 is symbolic of the 2 witnesses. Here In Nasb Zechariah 3:8 Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.
Here are many who are before Joshua. They represent a symbol of things to come.Joshua symbolizes the Branch (Christ).It is my understanding that Zerubbabel was there as a symbol. After all, it’s a couple of verses later and the same prophet it roused from a sleeplike state. He is shown a vision of objects which represent the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel. These objects are essentially all pertaining to the 2 witnesses. Zechariah 4 gives the most conclusive evidence. I believe Everything in Zechariah 4 is prophetic. 4:9 isn’t speaking of the second temple foundation as Ezra 3:8-10 and 5:16 separate Zerubbabel from laying the foundation of the second temple. At least that’s where my understanding brings me to. I made notations of much more, however I realize this is already a bit lengthy. Ultimately, I think the way to test what I think I’ve been shown, is if Haggai 2:20-23 occurs before the next Chanukah (24th of 9th month). I do believe at this time the spirit of Elijah will be upon him. This is just a theory.
Thank you and God Bless
Your post of the repent by the last minute is true, and so many will be swept away but the main destruction will be so devastating that when tribulation unfolds it will destroy this country as we know it. It will be no more as it was. Just remnant rabble in different areas easy to conquer. Those around me will be given a gift just short of the gift of life. But how many will cherish a one last chance time window before they get wiped.
Timothy, HEAVEN’S 7TH AND FINAL MESSENGER.
On the topic of the Sabbath.
I am just throwing this out there. This is the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod’s position on Sunday worship. I welcome any comments.
A Brief Statement of the Doctrinal Position of the Missouri Synod
http://www.lcms.org/doctrine/doctrinalposition
Of Sunday
We teach that in the New Testament God has abrogated the Sabbath and all the holy days prescribed for the Church of the Old Covenant, so that neither “the keeping of the Sabbath nor any other day” nor the observance of at least one specific day of the seven days of the week is ordained or commanded by God, Col. 2:16; Rom. 14:5 (Augsburg Confession, Triglot, p. 91, Paragraphs 51-60; M., p. 66).
The observance of Sunday and other church festivals is an ordinance of the Church, made by virtue of Christian liberty. (Augsburg Confession, Triglot, p. 91, Paragraphs 51-53, 60; M., p. 66; Large Catechism, Triglot, p. 603, Paragraphs 83, 85, 89, M., p. 401.) Hence Christians should not regard such ordinances as ordained by God and binding upon the conscience, Col. 2:16; Gal. 4:10. However, for the sake of Christian love and peace they should willingly observe them, Rom. 14:13; 1 Cor. 14:40. (Augsburg Confession, Triglot, p. 91, Paragraphs 53-56; M., p. 67.)
Sherry,
I would just say that you have presented a DOCTRINAL position. Doctrines are man-made. I believe that we are being called back at this closing point of the Church Ages to GOD’S WORD. Doctrine doesn’t matter. God’s Word does, and it stands eternal in the heavens.
The fact that we have so many denominations and doctrinal positions is amazing to me. The Truth in the BOOK is fairly simple. Man’s minds make everything complicated. The bottom line would be to FOLLOW THE BOOK. Each person read it cover to cover for yourselves! Watch and feel the Holy Spirit give you revelation knowledge as you read. Obey Him. Fall in love with THE BOOK, remembering Jesus IS THE WORD.
Perhaps if you get a chance, you may want to scroll down to see my LONG notes on the Sabbath, actually posted twice, ’cause Anna wanted to see it and couldn’t find it.
Personally, I do appreciate you bringing your ideas to the table in this discussion.
I think it’s an important topic to discuss.
Peggy A
Thanks for the reply. I have been reading most of the comments on this. It has been interesting that is for sure.
Hi Sherry,
on 1st paragraph: looks like the Lutherans are following the Vatican/Catholicism/pope teachings. NOT GOOD. The bad part is when you talk to these men they know it has not been abrogated but will tell their congregation it has so that you follow them.
2nd paragraph: I just want to let you know that this is all VATICAN/pope/Catholic doctrine and do not follow it. They are making it sound like it is your duty to keep Sunday and observe it so that you are showing love and peace. CRAFTY devil wording.
Vatican/pope/catholicism is the Mother Harlot and her daughters are all that follow her: this includes Protestants, Lutherans, Methodists and others and read in Revelation what God said He is going to do to them and how He mentions not to follow the Harlot.
Hope that helps. I removed myself from all those religious systems because i researched it thoroughly and anything that the Vatican has implemented I know is of satan and I won’t go there. They have altered the Bible and added to it and go read the last verse I think it is in the Bible of what happens to those that do this.
Be encouraged though because there are other avenues to go on like a home bible study group and you can fellowship anywhere really. Fellowshipping in a small group is much nicer like with 3 or 4 people only.
And any Born-Again, truly converted Believers are automatically qualified to hold a small gathering House Church. Just let the Holy Spirit lead and use the Bible. We’re coming back to the 1st Church in the Book of Acts. We can begin to get in practice now if we are not being fed properly in the traditional churches.
Japan had a significant earthquake today I just saw on the news. They are expecting several aftershocks that will be strong. I know I recently read someone on here said to watch Japan. Also the east coast experienced an internet outage today for an unknown reason. PayPal and several others were effected. Wondering if this was a trail run?
I doubt these Japan quakes are the main events. All these 6.x’s are mostly likely the foreshocks…which is saying quite a bit how large the real main/quakes will be
Yes, I agree totally.
I think these are foreshocks as well, although they are not under Tokyo. Keep your eye on the days around Nov 2nd and 3rd in Japan. It is the Hebrew calendar anniversary of the plague of Dever. It is also the 70th anniversary of Japanese constitution. In 1707, the great Hoei earthquake struck on the anniversary of the plague of Dever. Mt. Fuji then erupted on the anniversary of the plague of hail and fire two months later.
Hey Christian, last night I had a dream of a guy telling me that there was about to be a very serious earthquake and I said to him: That is interesting. The LORD just spoke to me through these 3 scriptures and I said I would show him but he said I have to take my girls puzzle back to the library as it’s overdue…EOD…..so the sections of verse that the LORD gave me before I dreamt that (though I had not connected them with a quake until the dream) and supports your comments on the anniversary of the plague were..
Psalm 86 – Prayer for mercy
Revelation 15 – Plagues
Jeremiah 10 – False gods and the True God
Im not sure of the date but this is another signpost to yes, as you say, pray for Japan.
Good to hear from you again jane! Blessings!
Thanks so much Chloe. The LORD bless you too!! O. Love Jane.
Jane! Great to hear from you. It’s funny you mention puzzle. That is the word that has been coming to mind for the past few months when I have been working on the Japan study. I have been wondering if more than the 5th and 7th plague will be involved. I certainly think that the 5th plague will be the date that the earthquake hits Japan, and then Mt. Fuji will happen at the time of the anniversary of the 7th plague, but we may see other plagues as well. The reason I say this is because someone about a year ago had posted about a dream or vision in which they saw that there will be people in California affected by skin sores from fallout after the big earthquake there. The plague of boils is the 6th plague. That would correspond to the 1st of Kislev. It would be December 1st on our calendar. Others have reported dreams or visions that the Great California earthquake would happen within weeks of a tsunami coming from Japan. It seems that the timing might line up. The timing of the anniversaries of the plagues seems to line up with skyrocketing gold and silver prices in the spring. This is when the Jewish people would have received gold and silver from their Egyptian neighbors before beginning their Exodus. Just to summarize:
5th plague of Dever: Japan earthquake Nov 2nd or 3rd
6th plague of Boils: California fallout after the Big One? Japan fallout after earthquake? December 1st or 2nd
7th plague of Hail and Fire: Mt. Fuji and possibly Rainier? December 30th or 31st
8th plague of locusts: Soaring food prices? January 28th or 29th
9th plague of Darkness: Electrical grid? ash cloud? Feb 27th or 28th
10th plague of Death of Firstborn: gold and silver skyrocket in value as it was around the time of this plague that the Israelites received gold and silver from their Egyptians. April 11th or 12th
Keep praying!
Hey Christian. Thanks Christian for your response! I so appreciate it (lol), I don’t always get that kind of feedback. On Sunday (23rd), after having been to a zoo in the morning and bird sanctuary in the evening I had an impression of the door to the ark being shut. I felt it and thought it. Difficult thing to explain but I’ve had that experience once before when the LORD said to me ‘I Am fortifying you’. I experienced the word by feeling like I was a section of dirt and like palisades were being driven into the ground surrounding me. I was wondering why I might be sharing that now and I guess it is sometimes the kind of thing that you might see in a modern zoo enclosure. I would be interested to see if any of the events around the flood (e.g., shutting the door to the ark and the 7 day wait) ties in to any of this. May the Lord honour and bless you. Thank you for bringing Japan back to our attention for prayer.
Confirmation for you Christian on you sharing that the anniversary of Methuselah’s death was an impt signpost on the Japan earthquake.
Methuselah’s death. Noah and his family entered the ark. The LORD shut the door himself. 7 days later judgment began.
10 Cheshvan – 11 Nov – anniversary of ark door shut
17 Cheshvan – 18 Nov –
Flood began
NZ earthquake 14 Nov
‘In upside down is about to turn right side up’, on the 14 August, I posted hearing the word ‘Quake’ – loud and audible.
A signpost to the coming Japan earthquake/tsunami. Please pray for Japan.
Hey Christian. Thank you for reminding us of this. This is the season where we have experienced the Holy Spirit speaking to us both about Japan at the same time. Last night I dreamt of the only person that I know living in Japan and I have never dreamt of him before. I had forgotten when I had had this dream and the experiences recorded below.
Hey Jane! I haven’t had any dreams about Japan, but I know someone whose brother is there. The brother had dreams of asteroids striking Japan and burning things up. Sounds very similar to Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj’s prophecy for 2017.
Jane – Do you remember the talk of the significance of Trump’s inauguration occurring when he was 70 years, 7 months, and 7 days old? I just found something similar with the Japan puzzle. Japan’s constitution went into effect on May 3rd, 1947. 70 years, 7 months and 7 days from that date is Sunday, December 10th. That date on the Hebrew calendar is the 22nd of Tevet. The 22nd of Tevet is the day that Mt. Fuji began erupting back in 1707. The 22nd of Tevet is 9 days (9 = judgement) before the anniversary of the plague of hail and fire. It could be a good time to keep an eye on Japan. Additionally, the Meiji constitution preceded the current constitution. It was the first written constitution in Japan. “Unlike its modern successor, the Meiji Constitution was founded on the principle that sovereignty resided in person of the Emperor, by virtue of his divine ancestry “unbroken for ages eternal”, rather than in the people.” It could be that when Jackson referenced the lack of provision for the “One True God” in the foundation of Japan, it was regarding the Meiji Constitution. The current Japanese constitution was an amendment to the Meiji Constitution that went into effect November 29th, 1890. This November 29th will be the 127th anniversary. In the Bible, Abraham’s wife Sarah was 127 years old when she died, and Esther ruled over 127 nations as queen. Not sure what if any significance there is with that number, but I thought I would throw it out and see if it resonated with anyone.
Hey Christian, I noticed your 3×7 and found it interesting as have had number 37 highlighted to me today (heart of wisdom on bible wheel and so a connection to Esther there), and had a vision of an asterisk (asterix – star – Esther). And song by Amy Grant, baby baby (Sarah). Along with Psalm 37, Isaiah 37 = the LORD saves. Genesis 37 = Joseph rescued from pit.
Always enjoy seeing how the LORD shares his puzzle with you and helps to solve it.
And can see how your puzzle piece on the plagues is still fitting. I did hear “pressures building” sometime back and the next day was told to look up Anita Alexander Australia prophecy on YouTube and she was giving a word and used the same phrase I had just heard. She mentioned Sarah giving birth with it and shared a pic her son had drawn of a volcano erupting.
Have just checked my notes. Heard the same word as her on the 22nd Sept. Her vid is called ‘strike the ground into victory’.
You have made some very interesting connections there Christian. Especially as we approach Day 21 of 8th month (10th Nov – 11 Nov; Torah calendar). Parashah #5. Chayei Sarah (life of Sarah). Excellent Christian! Readings: Genesis 23 1-25: 18 and 1 Kings 1. The throne of David.
Definitely a warning for what is to come. The earthquake happened at 07:07!!!!!!
As far as the Internet is concerned, I remembered Bette Stevens’ warning about the Internet being down and the banks closed. Maybe a foretaste today……..
I’m not sure if this is relevant but a few posts recently have mentioned Chicago. The late John Paul Jackson mentioned that a dirty bomb was going to explode in an American port city. He didn’t say which port city. Normally I think of the left and right coasts but my guess is that Chicago on the Great Lakes would also count as a port city. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
In reading your post, it sounds like US cities might be the focus. I did want to bring attention to Tokyo however. There are things that are lining up that seem to indicate November 2nd or 3rd may be the day that a large earthquake hits Tokyo and shuts down their stock market. The last time Mt. Fuji erupted, it was caused by an earthquake 49 days prior. The earthquake occurred on the 1st of Cheshvan. This is the date of the 5th Egyptian plague of Dever. 49 days later, vents became active, but it took several days before Mt. Fuji began erupting. It erupted for 16 days which overlapped the date of the 7th Egyptian plague of Hail and Fire. This year seems to be a likely candidate for the same pattern repeating. “Culture Day” which is a national Japanese holiday falls on the 1st of Cheshvan or the date of the 5th Egyptian plague of Dever. Culture Day is a holiday that commemorates the announcement of the post-war Japanese Constitution. This year marks the 70th anniversary of the Japanese Constitution. The reason why the date of the constitution is important is because God is dealing with an issue that arose at its foundation. Remember that John Paul Jackson made this statement about the Mt. Fuji Prophecy, ”The nation of Japan, in this, I heard the Lord’s voice say, Japan is the only nation that in its foundation made no provision for the one true God.” The fact that it is the 70th anniversary seems prophetic as 70 years can be considered a generation. It could be that the Nation of Japan was given a full generation of grace to return before judgement. From a personal point of view, I had a dream in which I was told that the key to understanding the Mt. Fuji prophecy is to look at the date the message went out. Interestingly, Culture day celebrates the announcement of the Japanese Constitution, not the implementation, which was delayed by 6 months. That announcement may be the correct interpretation of the dream. This significance of the 5th and 7th plagues ties in with a study in which the number 57 continually shows up. Recently, Hurricane Matthew had the number 57 show up in statistics regarding the storm. One article showed how Matthew strengthened into a category 5 Hurricane exactly 57 hours after it was officially named. Other statistics were a little more obscure, but the number 57 showed up in more than one place. Mena Lee Grebin’s post from July 6th, 2015 provided a perfect description of the path of Hurricane Matthew a full 15 months before it occurred ( http://watchmanonthewall33.blogspot.com/ ). I believe that Hurricane Matthew was a fulfillment of her prophetic word. In it, she spoke of the hurricane as a judgement. For this reason, I have been watchful of the numbers associated with specific events, specifically those that had been prophesied as judgement beforehand.
Hi Cristian I had a short dream in july. Saw a computer screen with an article written by a scientist titled “japan is going to have a big earthquake this fall”. Now I do not know when the “fall” officially starts and ends but i have been watching closely!!!!! Blessings!
Thanks Chloe! I believe Phanuel had a dream about the Japan and a computer screen as well. I don’t know if his dream specifically mentioned an earthquake or not. We should all be praying for our nation as well as Japan, but if a large earthquake does hit Japan on November 2nd or 3rd, we need to increase our prayer for Japan significantly as that would be an indicator that Mt. Fuji would erupt roughly 2 months later. Jackson’s prophecy indicated that as many as 8 million people could perish if that happens. Keep praying! Remember that even Ninevah repented at the last minute.
I’ve mentioned this before. I dreamed several months ago that I saw saw/read a headline that said “Tokyo is gone”
I have never been to Japan or really thought much of Japan before having this dream. It was only after this I found JPJ’s warning about Mt Fuji/EQ.
Watching Japan.
Thanks for sharing this mem! Blessings!
Thank you Mem! It looks like earthquake activity in Japan just skyrocketed. Keep watching and praying
It is terrifying to think of the implications of that simple headline: Tokyo Is Gone. Frequently I pray for Japan and the Japanese people. Surely there are many righteous there?
Yes, definitely something to watch out for and pray for. JM also had several visions about Japan’s earthquake (if I recall correctly) back in June or July. I believe it was JM who saw the computer screen where the yen was surging high against dollar and then all of sudden it just disappeared. Blessings!
This Japanese earthquake could be man made, and started by an underground missile from N. Korea
I have never seen this many eathquakes in Japan in a single day. Two 6.6 magnitude earthquakes occurred and are being followed by a huge number of aftershocks. http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/quake_local_index.html
yeah something is up…. I warned my friends in Tokyo and glory to God, they believed!!!! However, my sister in law is planning to go to Tokyo this December even though I posted multiple warnings on social network (and she saw them). I will continue to pray for Japan. Thanks for the information Christian.
A little more research lined up which makes me think that this is the week for the Japanese earthquake. The first of Cheshvan begins on Tuesday the 2nd in Jerusalem. I believe that Japan’s day follows the start of the day in Jerusalem, so the first of Cheshvan in Japan lines up with November 3rd and Culture Day. The anniversary of the plague of Dever would then be the same day as the 70th anniversary of the signing of the Japanese constitution. Neville Johnson mentioned that the quake would shut down their stock market, but that it would be propped up for a time. Others had dreams of half of the Japanese “house” or market collapsing. People would run back in and then the other half collapses. It all lines up with the 5th and 7th plagues. In the 5th plague, only the livestock in the fields died. In the 7th plague, more livestock as well as people died in the fields from the hail and fire. For this reason, I think that the earthquake will have a major impact on their market (down 50%?), but there will not be a tremendous loss of human life. At the anniversary of the 7th plague (Mt. Fuji eruption), however, the Japanese stock market will be more completely destroyed, but there will be a terrible humanitarian crisis as well. Just as in Egyptian times, many people (7-8 million according to John Paul Jackson) will lose their lives to the hail and fire. Pray for Japan.
I have a friend in Tokyo right now. He is Jewish by descent but a born again nominal believer. I have warned him about Fuji, and he thought it was one of my jokes. I dont judge him but am concerned about all this quake talk in Japan. One thing Im not connecting is….why all this Jewish date and plague talk? How does that relate to Japan? Is it because their nation when founded made no provision for the one true God or something? Someone inform me or bring me up to speed on this. When was the anniversary of the Great Tokyo Quake of the early 19th century? Shalom.
Jerry – Yes, when John Paul Jackson received the vision regarding Mt. Fuji, he was told that the reason for the judgement was that Japan made no provision for the one True God in their foundation. The Hebrew calendar and the date of the plagues seems significant because of the timing of an earthquake and eruption in 1707. This was the last time that Fuji erupted. The Great Hoei Earthquake occurred on the first of Cheshvan in 1707. This is the anniversary of the 5th plague of Dever. The earthquake caused Mt. Fuji to erupt later. Fuji began venting and erupted for 16 days. The first of Tevet was during the window of time that Fuji was erupting. This date is the anniversary of the 7th plague of Hail and Fire. Both the earthquake and eruption of Fuji in 1707 occurred shortly after a Shemitah year had come to a close. At first, late fall of 2016 seemed to be a candidate for an earthquake and Fuji because the Shemitah year had just ended. Some have noted that the year following the Shemitah year was a Jubilee year, so things may have been delayed for a full year. The market certainly did not crash last fall as it had at the end of the Shemitah year in 2001 and 2008, so there is some support for the theory that the Jubilee year has delayed the timing of events until now. Further support for this year comes from the fact that The 70th anniversary of the signing of the Japanese constitution aligns to the day with the anniversary of the 5th plague of Dever. Remember that this is a “foundational issue” and the constitution is the foundation of the current nation of Japan. The Hebrew calendar follows lunar cycles, so November 3rd does not always align with the first of Cheshvan, but it does this year. Also, 70 is a significant number in the bible with it representing a generation. The fact that not only the anniversary of the signing of the Japanese constitution aligns with the plague of Dever, but it does so on the 70th anniversary of the signing of the constitution seems significant. Neville Johnson was shown that there would be a great Japanese earthquake that would shut down the Japanese stock market. The plague of Dever destroyed the cattle or live”stock” of the Egyptians that were in the field. Both live”stock” and stock in the market are stores of wealth. It would not be a stretch to link the plague of Dever to the partial destruction of the Japanese stock market. It the pattern from 1707 fits for this year, then we may see Mt. Fuji erupt around the 1st of Tevet and the anniversary of the plague of Hail and Fire. There is another prophecy concerning the eruption of Fuji in which Christ is looking to see if anyone has a lit lampstand. Chanukah occurs at this time and is all about the miracle of the lampstands staying lit. It is also the time that the Temple was rededicated. It could be that the nation of Japan could be “rededicated” at this time. The pattern of 5 and 7 enters into this as well. Jackson referenced Mt. St. Helens in his Fuji prophecy. 57 people died when Mt. St. Helens erupted. It also occurred on the 3rd of Sivan which is when God instructed Moses to tell the Israelites to “not approach the mountain.” It could be that Mt. St. Helens was a prophetic warning for Fuji. Also, when Mt. Ontake in Japan erupted on Shabbat Shuva (sabbath of return) in 2014, 57 people were confirmed dead. The prophecy of Jackson follows the pattern as well. He recorded it on the 5th day of Tabernacles which is a 7 day festival. The current year on the Hebrew calendar may tie in as well. It is 5777. It may be that this is incorrect, but more things are aligning than what I have ever seen in the past. Pray for Japan.
Christian,
I too share your concern for Japan, and wanted to share some information, that correlates with your research about a quake in the next few days. Because Japan is so far ahead of US time zones, exact timing is impossible, so this information is US based.
November 2, 2016 is 55 years, 5 weeks, 55 days from 8/4/1961 Barack Obama’s DOB.
November 4, 2016 is 55 months, 55 weeks, 5 days from the 3/11/2011 Fukushima Quake/Tsunami and Nuclear disaster.
It’s also exactly 96 months since Obama’s election night on 11/4/2008; and of course he was there earlier this year for the G7 meeting.
I know of nobody that I can warn in Japan, but your research aligns perfectly with mine. I pray this information might find it’s way to help to turn lives to Jesus!
Wow! Thank you for that DFM. All of those 5’s aligning with the anniversary of the 5th plague is pretty amazing. I have only focused on day counts occasionally when looking at the Hebrew calendar, but it seems important. It’s great to have others with different abilities and giftings weigh in on these things. I think it helps to give us a more clear picture. Keep up the great research!
The 1st of Cheshvan came and went and nothing happened. That was a complete miss on my part. This does seem to be the season however. I went back through other Japan dates to try to get a new perspective. I had missed something earlier. The March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami occurred on the 5th of Adar II, 8 days before a supermoon. If Tishrei is the first month of the year, then Adar II is the 7th month. The earthquake and tsunami of 2011 occurred on the 5th day of the 7th month. The marker of “57” was on that event. It would seem that the coming Japan earthquake would have that number somewhere in its statistics as well. Supermoons are not officially recognized by the scientific community as correlated with seismic activity, however the Boxing Day Tsunami and the 2011 Japan earthquake and tsunami occurred within 1-2 weeks of the appearance of a supermoon. There are 3 consecutive supermoons this year. The middle one is next and is on November 14th. In Japan, the peak of the supermoon occurs approximately 1-2 hours before November 15th which is “7-5-3” day. Because 5 and 7 show up often in these events(earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, hurricane), that day is of interest. “7-5-3” Day is not an official holiday with time away from work, so the celebration typically occurs on the weekend which is closest to the November 15th date. That would be this coming weekend which lines up with the anniversary of the death of Methuselah. Also notable is that the 9th of Cheshvan is a day on which large earthquakes occurred in 1327, 1759, and 1867. Nothing seems to “interlock” as a single date, but lots going on with the calendar and the moon. As always, this is not a “thus saith the Lord,” but one possible interpretation.
CB – Nov 14 is way more in my view than just a supermoon. The moon has never been this close to the earth since the 30’s or 40’s as it will be on Nov 14 and it wont be this close again for many more decades from now. So in terms of lunar watch, its the biggest in our lifetimes. Truly a once in a lifetime event.
I have looked through the top largest earthquakes in the last hundred or so years and correlated them in proximity to Full and New moons, and I’d say 8 out of 10 are within a few days or are smack on either a Full or New moon. If the moon affects the ocean tides, why on earth would people stick the head in the sand on it affecting “earth tides”
Many different spheres are pointing to this period for big events to unfold, whether it be natural disasters, market plunge, and more
Christian, I have information on November 15th also.
The Georgia Guidestones had a cube (shaped like a dice) inserted into the top of the English side in 2014, with the exposed portions saying 20 on one side, 14 on the other. It was “supposedly” unauthorized, and was put up by “vandals,” to signify a couples wedding date or some other BS story.
It was very ceremoniously removed on 9/25/2014 (Rosh Hashanah), and thrown down, before being “chipped” into pieces, with care to save the information on each of the six sides, so each chip could again be shown to the videographer.
However, before being chipped into pieces, the videographer revealed the information the other four sides contained, in a very specific order; 8-14-20-16, which just happened to be the 9th of Av on 8/14/2016. I knew this “clue” was way too obvious given the history of that date, but made note of it, and filed it away.
About a month or two later after watching the video in 2014, I wondered if they could have been using the Hebrew calendar, so I filed both the Gregorian and Hebrew dates away. Once 8/14/2016 passed uneventfully, I turned my attention to the Hebrew calendar, and you guessed it; 11/15/2016, is Cheshvan 14 (8/14).
This entire event was VERY carefully scripted, and posted to YouTube two years ago, if you want to conduct research of your own.
May be another false alarm, but thought I’d share.
Hmm, interesting. Yeah I had written off that cube, but you are saying eighth month of orthodox calendar and 14th orthodox day on the gregorian year 2016?
The fat it lines up with the closest the moon has been since the 40’s gives it a stronger possibility
Thanks for sharing
Actually, Cheshvan 14, (8/14) on the Hebrew calendar, starts on Monday November 14th, 2016 and ends on Tuesday November 15th at sundown.
So, rather than 8/14/2016 on the Gregorian calendar; possibly it was a warning using the Hebrew calendar? Assuming most would have forgotten about it after August past.
Yesterday we had a 6.2 quake off the shore of Japan, which may have been a forewarning?
Two larger quakes in Japan and one smaller quake near Fuji.
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/20161112064800395-120643.html
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/20161112065353395-120643.html
This next one is near Fuji. It is the dark green area to the left of the red “X”
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/3/440/20161112212341395-122119.html
October 19, 2016 by Stephen Hanson
“Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth,” Psalm 46:10.
“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I AM the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things,” Isaiah 45:6-7.
“What else would you people want to know about this upcoming fall election? For it is going to be unlike any other that has ever happened before.
For there will be riots on every corner. There is a ‘stirring’ in the hearts of the people. There is dismay in their hearts. The entire system will be held in question; for some will question the process. ‘But this is only because of the rhetoric of some’.
You will finally see that I am in control of all these things, says the LORD. For you think that you can control things simply by rising up against the system. But I tell you that I AM the one that sets up kings, and takes down another.
You are entering into a time frame where you cannot return back now.
For what would you compare this season to, would say the LORD? You shout and cry on every street corner. You complain about this and you complain about that. But how many of you have brought these things to me?
You will reach the end of your capacity to control things. For the nation and the world is in my hands. I cause the sun to come up in the morning, and I bring the moon and the stars out for you to behold.
If I can take care of all of this, then I also have control of an election.”
Selah,
~ Stephen Hanson
Thanks Matt for posting this word. It confirms what the Lord shared with me this morning. This election will be like no other and He is in control not the enemy! We shall see the hand of God at work on His anointed! No matter what it seems like today and the days ahead, God’s anointed will become the next king! As the Lord said to me this morning “just watch and be astonished!” Glory to God for He is a God of power and might! And His will be done on earth as it is in heaven! Let’s all praise our God and be certain that the enemy will not prevail in this election!
Thanks for the timely word. God bless
I will never give up my birthright! Never in Jesus name!
I saw an earthquakes coming. The city has hills. I was also told in a dream “Texas has been hit!” The Holy Spirit told me where to go for safety. God will protect his people!
Matt, I have never been as troubled in my spirit as I have been in the last few months. You speak the truth and masses of people will INSTANTLY either be in heaven or hell. My heart is beating so fast as I am writing this because I feel the intensity of the time. WAKE UP AMERICA, YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE DESTROYED FROM WITHIN. Repent, ask Jesus to come in, be your savior, clean you up and save you from hell.
Go to: http://www.everythingcomesoutinthewash.com
Michelle,
You posted some very powerful comments.
Matt,
Thank you for this word from the Lord. I keep fasting and praying. But, sometimes I feel like I am not fully prepare for what’s coming to this nation. Please pray for me so I can be fully ready. I trust in the Lord he is my refugee. Psalm 91. I have been preparing spiritually but not physically. My husband doesn’t believe this is coming. I bought a little food and water to stock up and he said why we have so much food? I don’t know what else to do. God bless you Z3!
carol, ask you husband if he would be willing to do an experiment where you shut of electricity, gas, propane (or any other energy source) for the weekend. Maybe he would be willing to watch my You tube on Preparedness then? Preparedness Seminar (Neal Mattison)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl4oDfPJc3k A weekend of no fridge, freezers, plumbing, washer machines, dryers, heat, shop tools, etc. can get a mans attention!
Proverbs 21:20 There is precious treasure and oil in the dwelling of the wise, but a foolish man swallows it up. God’s grace.
Neal,
I have tried everything. He thinks non of those situations can happen to USA. That is remote it can happen here. That the USA is the greatest country in the world. I on the other hand know what is like and have experience it myself. Blessings!
Carol, remember Abigail (I Samuel 25).
Matt, I just reread your poem given to you last December, and noticed that Chicago was mentioned first in the list of cities that will be destroyed. Do you think the cities in the poem could have been given to you in order of judgment?
“Woe unto the city,
Of the Bears, Cubs, and Bulls.
Woe to San Francisco,
You dare mock me, you fools!”
Could be. I do not know what order, or when a city would be destroyed.
Amen Matt! Thank you for this word. We all need to understand, No delay, follow Jesus in ever second of everyday. Lay down your burdens at his feet for we as flesh cannot do this on our own. Surrender all to Jesus and follow him.
Matt, you mentioned a plot to bomb Chicago in your September 2 post. Several other people I have read have also been shown visions that Chicago is the “center stage” for the “tipping point” for the economy and that the devaluation of the dollar happens afterwards. One woman saw the Sears Towers (now known as the Willis Tower) in ruins, along with several building in the area. But did you also know that about 500 to 600 feet from the Willis Tower is the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago! Can you imagine the ripple effect in the banking world if one Federal Reserve Bank is destroyed?
Once more…San Francisco. What could happen to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco in the event of a big earthquake? That would make TWO of these banks in a short period of time…
Chicago is a possibility, so are a few other cities.
In the past I would have likely been one of those who mocked individuals like you, Matt, for what you say but in recent years I, too, have seen similar things in dreams from the Lord. Sadly, I believe you are correct in what you say. It’s hard to believe sometimes it’s come to this.
The more I see what’s coming out in the wiki-dumps about politics, banking, etc the more grateful I am for Jesus as our governmental leader.
#jesusforpresident
I do believe God is using wikileaks.
Thanks for relaying God’s heart.
This is a message from Phophet Joshua.
God is elevating the sirens.
https://youtu.be/RqWMamL5xxA
Matt – Thanks for sharing this sound word from the Lord. This is a confirmation of the dream he gave me where America “lost face” and was badly embarrased before other nations.
You wrote “Do you not think Americas wickedness would not be exposed to the world?
This is what the Lord said to me… “This dream is from my Father. He desires to show you the current state of America. The dream should be interpreted in reverse order. What is to come will result in America ‘losing face’. She will face much mockery. She will be cut into two pieces. There will be those that will want to try to put her back together again, but it will not be possible. She will be irrevocably torn in two. After this happens, chaos will ensue. America will be decimated by her enemies and conquered.”
Rachel, my brother said the other week, the Lord spoke to him about Humpty Dumpty.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the kings horsemen,
And all the Kings men,
Couldn’t put Humpty back together again.
Humpty Dumpty is America.
Julian Assange has been a blessing to many. God is using people right and left to expose America’s sins.
Oh wow, my daughter just learned this nursery rhyme at school!
Thank you so much Matt for your obedience to the Lord. I too believe that Julian Assange is being used by the Lord to expose sins in the white house which I believe was prophesied. I’m quite concerned though that most of what I hear being exposed, no one really seems to care that much…is it just me?
Some stuff Julian released said to the fact do not download unless you can’t get caught. Rick Wiles said stuff released yesterday is history changing, but he said he was scared to share it, because it’s the kind of stuff that gets you killed from the NWO boys.
Woooah!!
That’s awesome Matt!
Woe, Rachel. I’m wondering if America being cut in 2 pieces would be a direct result of America being involved with trying to divide the land of Israel.
Matt, this is definitely from the LORD. Back in 2007 I had a vision of people carrying swords riding horses over Atlantic Ocean with fire and coming on the shores of the east coast. I knew they were Islamic Extremists and that their goal was to take over our country. This is what I believe to be a vision of Revelation 6:3-4 regarding the horseman riding the red horse that takes peace from the earth affecting the United States:
When I first received the vision, I thought it was happening then, but what I have learned throughout my walk is that the LORD gives us warnings in advance to prepare our hearts and give us EVEN MORE URGENCY to spread the Gospel of the Coming Kingdom. Keep SEEKING HIS FACE! He so desires HIS CHURCH to rise and be the LIGHT that points to YESHUA!
Matt,
Wow! Very straight forward Word from the Lord, and the instructions given to the Saints… Our God is so good to show us what’s coming, and then instruct His people on how to prepare. Praise God!
Blessings to you, Matt!
I just do as the Lord commands.
“Live for Eternity” by Paul Washer; short, but powerful video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC9PlvKwz4I
I believe this word. It is frank and to-the-point, in regards to sin and the importance of repentance.
AMEN Matt. OBEDIENCE TO THE COMMANDMENTS IS PARAMOUNT. you cannot discard one for you then make them all null and void.
4th commandment was changed by the Catholics and it is still saturday not Sunday.
look it up for I won’t get into huge debates on that. God never changed it; man did. Look up Constantine and read what even the bishops, cardinals etc say about it when asked if Sunday is the day. You will be shocked as I was when I first learned about it.
Then of course the 7th is just been twisted to justify man’s lifestyle. Again, look that one up and what it meant in the Hebrew. To understand the commandments you must understand that Jesus was talking about the customs of his time and that is still binding now.
there are 69 commandments I believe in NT alone that say “if you love Me, keep my commandments” or words like this.
So yes, many that think they are saved are not. It is a daily walk; not a one time event. Repentance is required daily and He does say “be ye Holy for I am Holy”.
Anna;
You seem to be putting forth the notion we are still under the Law of Moses as New Covenant Christians. The covenant instituted at Sinai was set aside by the New Covenant brought in by Christ and his work on the Cross. Paul said we become DEAD TO THE LAW so we night be married to another. Hebrews says ‘what the Law could not do, the bringing in of a better hope did.’
Please consider reading this article: To What Extent Should Christians Be Torah Observant?
https://pbenson.me/2016/10/18/should-christians-be-torah-observant/
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. We obey the moral intent of God’s law by following the leading of the Holy Spirit, as he leads us to conform to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. That is the commandments we follow NOT the Mosaic Law.
Blessings;
Paul Benson
1. Sabbath In The New Covenant – New Testament Sabbath
http://www.newtestamentsabbath.com
… the entire New Testament Church keeping the Sabbath or … Sabbath in the New Covenant for more. We also … that New Testament Sabbath keeping is …
1. Sabbath In The New Covenant – New Testament Sabbath
http://www.newtestamentsabbath.com
… the entire New Testament Church keeping the Sabbath or … Sabbath in the New Covenant for more. We also … that New Testament Sabbath keeping is …
Anna;
The entire New Testament Church did NOT keep Sabbath. That is a false teaching. Many Gentiles did go to the Temple to listen to the teaching; but that is no indication they were “keeping’ Sabbath. They just were hungry for the truth! They also met day to day from house to house; as well as open-air worship and teaching meetings. There is not ONE passage in the N.T. that shows the apostles instructed the Gentile believers to keep Sabbath, or observe the Mosaic Law in any fashion. They taught them to put their hope in something much better.
We do not draw near to God by keeping the letter of a Law that was put away; but by faith in the Son of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit he sent to teach us to do the will of the Father.
I sincerely hope you get this figured out. You very salvation may be at risk if you are approaching the LORD in a self-righteous observance of a covenant which was put away in Christ.
YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER PAUL. I GAVE YOU PROOF OF THE SABBATH AND IT WAS KEPT BY GENTILES EVEN AFTER JESUS DIED AND THE APOSTLES KEPT IT.
I WILL NOT GET INTO ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS ON THIS FOR THE PROOF WAS GIVEN TO YOU.
LOOK UP CONSTANTINE AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WILLINGLY ADMITS TO CHANGING IT TO SUNDAY ALSO.
I AM DONE HERE. THANK YOU AND IF YOU DON’T WANT TO KEEP IT, THAT IS FINE BUT I REBUKE YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS THAT JESUS DIDN’T KEEP IT NOR ANY APOSTLES NOR ANY GENTILES. THAT IS A LIE.
Anna;
Perhaps you misunderstood me sister. Forgive me if I did not make it clear. When I said it was not correct to say the ENTIRE church kept Sabbath, I was not insinuating Jesus and the apostles did not keep Sabbath. I was referring to the Gentile Church not keeping it. They were not required to keep it. if you had read the article I linked to you would not have made the statements you did.
I spent a great deal of time reading on the site you gave as proof. He teaches many falsehoods. Besides his erroneous teachings on O.T. Law keeping he teaches soul sleep, annihilation, Hell is not a literal place, antichrist is past religious system etc. etc.
You have been influenced by someone who is not in sync with the Scriptures.
May the LORD guide us into all truth;
Paul Benson
I have been taught by the Holy Spirit and do not follow man’s doctrines so I guess you say that Jesus was not in sync with His own Word. 🙁
I wasn’t following man’s theology at all and the Gentiles did keep the Sabbath.
Paul, thank you so much, I value what you have to say.
antichrist does not follow religion Paul; just uses it to get others to do it so they are too busy with that instead of seeking Jesus at home, on the road, etc. Have you noticed how satan loves to keep Christians “busy busy busy” at their church functions. That takes away time alone with God. Instead of developing a one on one relationship with God, they develop a relationship with their church and their Pastor.
Jesus wants all your devotion.
Clever dog that satan is.
Bravo, Anna! I don’t mean this against Paul Benson. I just LOVE what you wrote! Amen. We wear “busy” like a badge.
We are Human Beings not Human doings……something to ponder…..
Paul, I need to just let you know I was only referring to the site’s Sabbath teaching which is correct.
Ever read David C. Pack’s stuff? He too is excellent about the Sabbath teaching but is off on the tongues teaching aind a couple other things but that does not mean his teaching on Sabbath is to be ignored.
Did you know that there is NOT ONE Person ON EARTH that has gotten it all completely right that has books out? The only Book that is ALWAYS RIGHT IS THE BIBLE.
So I am not going to get into all that with their other view points because this discussion is just on Sabbath.
Actually Gentiles were required to keep Sabbath back then but just like in our modern day, Gentiles are required to keep it too but do all of them do that? Of course not. That is human nature; some will follow and some will not. Paul taught them to keep it and they loved Paul.
Anna and Paul, It is sad when we see contention among believers, but I think this came up FOR A REASON. We ALL need to be aware of the things that are coming and this is a great opportunity to discuss. I absolutely believe when the Pope gets his One-World Church (Uniting Jews, Muslims and Christians) up and running it is going to be mandatory for all people to worship on Sunday. Most people will be all for it because who wouldn’t want to honor Jesus and keep the Sabbath. Only problem is, this is not Jesus’ church or religion, it is satan’s. Notice how Sun-day is not Son-day. It is worshiping the created and not THE CREATOR. It is THE LIE spoken of in Gen. Chap 3 from satan, 2 Th 2:11 and confirmed in Romans 1:25. We need to be on our toes and make sure we don’t fall for their deceptions. I pray the Lord will put peace in your hearts and remember who we ALL LOVE.
If the coming one-world religion is going to be an amalgamation of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, why must it necessarily be true that people will worship on a Sunday? Why can it not be that everyone is required to pray five times a day like the Muslims do? Why can it also not be that everyone is forced to take the mark of circumcision like the Jews and Muslims take it? So what may be taken from Christianity or the Bible to make this mixture? Why not Deuteronomy 13 for all who refuse to worship the antichrist? Or even claim that the grace of God permits all kinds of licentiousness?
Nobody knows what form this final mixture will take. So, let us not get presumptuous about this.
Also, let us leave the task of condemning human beings to hell or the lake of fire because of unbelief or false teaching to God and let it be on his schedule. As of today, let us pray unceasingly as the Holy Spirit leads us to pray.
B.Hansen,
I do agree with you that we need to guard against deception and pray for each other. Thank you for electing to pray and reconcile our fellow servants in Christ. I started sharing in the above comment since you invited discussion. But the closing lines of my above comment were not addressed to you or anyone in particular.
The Lord did tell me as I continued to meditate on the book of Romans that there is division in his body. And I am seeing it play out. Even now, there are people getting ready to stone and slander each other because of supposed “timing” errors in their prophetic word. I will confess that I am greatly distressed by this attitude, and it is perhaps this distress that led me to conclude the previous comment as I did.
Forgive me, if I ended up offending you. I am grateful B.Hansen that there is someone like you who has a discerning heart but also (and more importantly) a praying spirit.
Sujit, what you just said was the unadulterated truth. Jesus caught more, pure Hell, from religious folks, than anybody else. This is no different today, for true men and women of God. One thing I can say about people who profess to be in the world, and hating Christians, at least they keep real with me, and I know where they stand.
And when you talked about those getting ready to “Stone and slander each other,” you are so right. There are a group of people who come to certain areas, in the body of Christ, with stones already in their hand, because it wasn’t about the word or assignment given, they just wanted an excuse to stone somebody.
Matt, I hope you are not referring to me for I spoke the truth to him and showed him proof of it. In the Word it says we are to righteously judge another Christian if they are teaching against his truth and it was why I had to rebuke it. For anyone who can adamantly say that Jesus would go against His own Father and not obey the Commandments when He and the Father are One are either misled themselves or they are actually working for the enemy because satan does not want people returning to the Sabbath for it points to God as Creator and Sun Day is satan’s day and he is not about to give that up without going after those that show God’s true day of worship!
The words you received from the Lord say it perfectly; a line from what you wrote. He has let them know of how saved they are:
If you think you are saved, and you have not kept My commandments, on that great and dreadful day, you will find out how saved you are.”
I was not referring to you, Anna. I was writing in a general overall sense. For the comment Sujit made, was something I just spoke about at a church this past Wednesday night. How the church has become its biggest problem.
Anna, as some words of wisdom to you, if someone believes a certain away, and you believe another, then simply state what you believe, tell them to seek God for themselves, and then allow them to seek God for themselves. There are those who believe Sunday is a pagan day, and Saturday is the Sabbath. There are others who believe you should rest in Jesus everyday, not just on Sunday. Then there are those who believe in acts, when the people were in the temple daily, means we should worship in the temple daily. But what ever they believe, they have to answer to God for themselves.
One thing I do not do is get caught up in vain arguments. People want to argue with me, I just walk away. They can talk to themselves. I do believe what Paul wrote in Romans 14 chapter, if one man finds a certain day more sacred than the other, or a person finds certain foods better than the other than, let them be. Some Christians do celebrate Christmas or Resurrection Day, because they believe it is paganism. Yet there are those who want to celebrate Jesus being born, and dying on the cross everyday, but particularly honor a certain day, as representation of the even happening.
There are those who believe the feast of tabernacles, and most holy days found in the first five books of the Bible, should be represented through ones life style, and those days you do not have to physically celebrate anymore, like one would celebrate Christmas. However, there are those who believe it is still a requirement.
Anna, I was not throwing shade at you, I was just agreeing with a couple of Sujit’s statements regarding, the state of the church.
*do NOT celebrate Christmas or…
What you brought up in your answer is “tolerance” and letting people do as they want to and just leave it alone. Well, that is not what watchman are called to do. Saints are to point them to the right days and to get away from pagan days. Remember tolerance is the same thing God hates about abortions how some feel it is okay to kill the unborn if they were raped. You are either against murdering of the unborn or you “agree with allowing it” because there is no middle road.
So as the Holy Spirit is my witness I cannot just go along to keep people happy because I don’t want anyone to perish and out of love I tell them the truth that the Holy Spirit has taught me. We, the saints are also held responsible for those we just went along with and told them whatever day you want is fine and take it up with the Lord yourself if they end up in hell. So personally I do not want anyone’s blood on my hands either and I have to answer to God for that.
If you choose not sounding the alarm, then you will have to answer to God but it won’t bode well for anyone in “tolerance or complacency or the leave them alone” attitude.
God’s Word does not give us “suggestions” as to which ones to keep; they are commands.
love to all on here and I sent the links to study and learn
about it. I urge you to go ask the Holy Spirit now so you know your responsibility in all this.
When people state the truth then they get hated for it and they see us as hateful when in actuality we love them.
If your friend was going to commit suicide, would you just say you would pray for him and that God loves him and that is it or would you stop him and tell him he will end up in hell for it? If you just pray and say take it up with God, then his blood now would be on your hands. That is also very unloving of anyone to do that.
I am not supporting tolerance. If one claims God has showed them one thing, and you claim God has showed you something different, then once you have told them, it is up to them to recieve it or not. Case and point, I was listening to an episode of Trunews the other week, and Pastor Rick’s sermon, he recorded about “Dreams and visions.” In his sermon, a 7th day adventis came to him telling him about the Sabbath, and what you believe. He was determined to get it right, so he kept pondering it, and asked God. He stated in his sermon, he had a dream, and in his dream Jesus came to him and gave him the answer. He was told, “Rest in me everyday.” Thus the opposite of what you believe. His church services are on Sundays.
This is why if you believe one way, and someone else does, and both claim they are hearing from the Lord, then state your point, and if they do not agree then you don’t have blood on your hands, because you told them. It is up to them to accept it or believe it.
If my friend was contemplating suicide, or an abortion all I can do is warn, and urge them not to. I can not control their actions. I can beg, plead, warn, shout to my face turns blue, and try and stop them, but if they choose to do it, it’s out of my hands. I did what I can do. I have learned through God to let people be responsible for their own decisions. I can’t not control everything.
Yes that is true but the point I was making was that many people just tell others that they will pray for them but they really don’t show love and try to stop them from hurting themselves & they would never just help them. Lot of phony Christians out there! Believe it or not, I have met kinder non Christians that would go out of their way for anyone.
Sorry if you misunderstood that or if I didn’t make it clear.
If we love people we warn right? We try to stop them from going in the wrong direction? we advise them to get out of the religious spirit right?
Out of love for my fellow brethren I warn because like the Word you put out by the Holy Spirit stated that most are not saved that think they are.
very sad indeed. …only those that endure til the end shall be saved! Many during these times coming up will “fall away” completely and blame God. SAD.
Poor guy that had that dream didn’t hear Jesus at all. He would never say that “rest in me everyday” and let you go against HIS HALLOWED SABBATH. He is LORD OF THE SABBATH so he certainly would not tell someone that.
He heard the imposter’s voice and remember satan can appear as Jesus.
Poor guy!
Anna;
You should give the fourth chapter of Hebrews some consideration. You are really missing something here! It speaks of a rest to be entered into through faith that the children of the old covenant did not attain to. It is a reference to ceasing from striving for righteousness through works, and resting in the finished work of Christ. This is not a reference to the Sabbath, but of abiding in the restfulness of faith in Jesus.
The Holy Spirit can quote any passage of Scripture he chooses. The LORD has also instructed me to abide in a daily restfulness. The words you spoke against Rick’s dream are very unwise, considering the seriousness of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
can you please stop now. I said nothing wrong and the Holy Spirit would not show him that. Don’t you realize satan comes and works through the mind of men? He can imitate Jesus and even speak like Him. Many times satan has come to people in visions and dreams and if they don’t have the gift of discernment they will be fooled. It happens a lot.
I am not going to go to and fro anymore on this. I gave you plenty to read and study.
I am dusting my feet off and moving on. You are one that believes everyday is Sabbath rest where that is not even in the Bible. If God said that, in Genesis it would be screaming at you that every day is rest day for you in him.
God makes no errors. I never said it is a works salvation either. You don’t understand and I am leaving now.
God Bless you
Thank you for moving on.
Matt. 11:28-30: 28 Then Jesus said, “Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you. Let me teach you, because I am humble and gentle at heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy to bear, and the burden I give you is light.”
This is Good News!
My sister Anna;
Did you even read the fourth chapter of Hebrews and ask God what rest he was speaking of? Or do you just dismiss offhand exhortation given you? Rick Wiles said nothing against the Scriptures. To say the spirit he was listening to was satan is not only dangerous but foolish. The concern is for your wellbeing.
Anna; anyone who knows me would be quite surprised to see me continue along in a discussion like this. I am not a debater! I usually give two or three admonitions and I then I withdraw myself. I have had a very strong leading of the LORD to continue with you here. Out of a burden for your soul I have prayerfully remained in this thread hoping you would take the time to read the Scripture given you, and pray if you are missing something.
I have thoroughly examined the material you gave me. It is Judaizing error, and damaging to the Body of Christ! You are in a dangerous position when you come to the place you are telling your brothers and sisters in Christ they are going to hell for worshipping on Sunday, or failing to ‘keep’ a Saturday Sabbath. That is a cultic teaching. It is heresy.
I forgive you for the false accusations you leveled against me (accusing me of things I never once said), but you must get a better understanding of New Covenant Christianity.
If you want to be ‘done’ we will be done. I will respect your wishes. I will continue to pray for your spiritual growth and that you will find liberty from the errors you have embraced.
In the love of Christ;
Paul Benson
P.S. I do like your spunk!
Look, I can’t send anyone to hell nor condemn them to go there. I didn’t write the Word of God (Bible). Get that straight. I have no power like that. People choose where they end up themselves by whom they follow.
And stop now forever. you are not here to help me at all.
Go away please.
Talk to God and tell him that He isn’t Lord of the Sabbath & that He took Himself away and erased Himself from the NT! More power to you.
OKAY. Time out. Here’s an interesting 35 minute powerful sermon by Pastor Charles Lawson of Tennessee. It is titled
“Traits of the Laodicean Church.” It’s very interesting.
Perhaps this could be a NEW topic of discussion.
http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopupvideo.asp?SID=1023161325509
Is he your pastor? I love powerful, Raw, uncut, and uncensored preaching.
No, Matt. I found out about him through Linda Clay’s blog.
Ditto on the “powerful, raw, uncut, and uncensored preaching.” AMEN!
Paul, thanks for the time and effort you’ve put into this. JR
I have been reading all the posts regarding this because it is of a great importance. I am a baby Christian so my knowledge of or insight into this is too insufficient to say which is correct or wrong. However, it shows you truly put His heart first rather than the Law. Thank you for having dedicated so much effort into this with love and patience. Blessings.
Greetings, Chloe,
I wish to commend you on your humility in acknowledging yourself as a baby Christian. Truth be told, in the eyes of our Heavenly Father, we are all babies.
That being said, you are displaying the wisdom of a mature child of God with your words. May your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ learn from you.
Thank you Sujit. The Lord already let me know you are a mighty warrior of Him. I read all of your posts as they come and have learned so much from your wisdom coming from the Lord. I acknowledge again I still have too much to learn (and time is indeed running out) but I pray I will also be made a warrior if that is His will. I do not yet have fellow brothers or sisters (other than those here on z3 and 1 friend in Canada) but I have many and many who are blind and deaf. May He use me to bring them back to Him when it is time. Blessings!
Brother Paul, concerning “going to hell” for this, that, or the other thing. Have seen a lot of that in various 501c corporate churches. If I don’t believe as they believe, I’m going to hell. LOL Had a nice talk with a retired attorney who said his daughter told him he was going to hell because he wasn’t Catholic. Other “Christians”, as soon as they heard he was an attorney, told him he was going to hell, and me, because I’m a smoker, I’ve been told I’m going to hell. ROFL Why am I laughing, because they always throw the “don’t defile the temple” scripture at me in context of our bodies being the temple. What they never say is what Christ said defiles the temple. Why don’t they? Because it would show it’s not what goes into the body that defiles it, but what comes out the mouth (words) because that comes from what’s in the heart. Also, I no longer have “Sunday, go to meeting clothes” & many churches would find my jeans & T-shirt unacceptable dress. PFFT! Met an elderly lady who firmly believed Jesus didn’t love her because when she was in her 20’s her & her boyfriend went to church in the best clothes they had, jeans & T-shirts. After service, the Pastor told them if the wanted to come back they had to dress appropriately! For about 50 years she went around believing Jesus hated her because of that incident!
btw, who started this go to church on Sunday thing? Where is that written in the Bible? Please tell me as I seem to have missed that. The only day I see noted is the Sabbath, or Shabbot, which starts at sundown Friday & goes to Sundown Saturday.
Ulinigida;
Hello brother. I am not quite sure what you are looking for as far as a reply to your words are they are somewhat rambling in nature but I will attempt to address what you spoke of.
As far as smoking; things such as that I feel must be addressed with the question: What is God’s will in the matter? Am I a servant to his will or my own? What would bring glory to our LORD in the matter. That is for you to decide. God delivered me from nicotine addiction in a supernatural deliverance. I have a testimony of that at this link:
https://pbenson.me/2016/04/22/overcoming-nicotine-addiction/
As far as believers meeting on Saturday of Sunday that also is personal conviction. It is not required to keep Sabbath as some teach. That is old covenant and was not taught to the Gentiles by the apostles. Read Acts 15. It clearly shows the Gentiles were not to be told to keep the Law or be required to circumcise. I personally see every day alike, and abide in the REST of Christ’s completed work on my behalf. If others feel they need to observe a day I respect that, and do not speak against it; unless they are teaching we must do so to be right with God. We are justified by faith not by keeping Law.
I feel any day is ok to meet and fellowship, and it is just as crazy to claim worshiping on Sunday makes you a Sun worshipper as it would be to say worshipping on Saturday makes you a Saturn worshipper. I have often wondered what those who teach worshipping on Sunday is Sun worship do themselves on that day. Do they get up in the morning and say Sorry God I cant worship you today or I will be a Sun worshipper? DO they abstain from any fellowship with family or friends lest someone might put ion some worship music and praise his name by accident? Plus the Sabbath was to be ‘kept’ at home! It was not about congregating and worship. It was about rest. Many actually break the Sabbath Law by traveling distance to meetings, shopping for food, cooking meals, making casual conversation etc.. They break Sabbath to attend meetings that they mistakenly think are ‘keeping’ Sabbath, and then have the nerve to condemn others for not following suit. Makes little sense to me.
Here is a write-up by a former Seventh Day Adventist. It has a lot to think about. It clearly show the early church did in fact meet on the first day, but I don’t believe the were meeting in attempt to ‘keep’ a Sunday Sabbath but otherwise. And I don’t think God mandated the first day practice but that they adopted it as tradition.
http://www.exadventist.com/home/sabbath/sabbathsunday/tabid/516/default.aspx
I will also leave with you a link to an excellent article on the possible pitfalls of trying to connect with our Hebrew roots. I have found great insight and edification in finding connection to those Hebrew Roots; but also have been subjected to much oppressive teaching by those who do not understand those things (Law, feasts, Holy days, Sabbaths Heb. 10:1, Col. 2:16-19) were a shadow of realities which are fulfilled in Christ (including Sabbath). I choose to embrace the reality (Christ) which cast those shadows, and not the shadows themselves. BUT I learn a great deal about Christ from the revelation I get studying those O.T. types and shadows. It is one of my favorite areas of study.
https://churchwatchcentral.com/2016/09/23/what-is-the-hebrew-roots-movement/
Blessings
Easy my Sister, my wife was shown, by the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit) a similar giant wave while we were in NorCal back in ’01-’04. She is so anointed that I can have a question in mind, ask her “Yes”… “No”… & the Spirit will move on her on one word or the other. In Oct. or Nov. of ’99 she received a word that we would need to leave where we were in Northern Wisconsin quickly. We waited… in Jan ’01 furnace heat exchanger cracked & carbon monoxide filled the rental. Stayed in a hotel that night & next day landlord & a buddy were in the house insisting it was just a problem with the controls. I showed them the crack. They ignored it! Just after they left, we loaded up the truck & left. Only guidance we had from the Holy Spirit was we’d be going Southwest. In KC I looked at road map & saw, if we stayed on I-35 we’d go thru the D-FW area. The Holy Spirit witnessed all over my wife. Asked a few more questions & witness came back we were to go to, not thru, D-FW. I made a comment that last I’d heard a former employer (twice) who didn’t pay his employees as often as he should, had moved there. Later wife got a word that we should go see him & if he offered me a job, I should take it. NOooo! No, no, no ,no ,NO! We went, he offered, & I accepted as directed. There’s much more, if you would like to learn some of the manifestations of the witnessing of the Holy Spirit & if you’d sincerely like to hear from the Spirit yourself.
I am trying to understand what you said here. You said you were to go but not through Dallas/FW right? but then you got a job there?
are you saying you have a site or name of someone with manifestations of the Holy Spirit? who is it?
You have an unusual name so may I ask where you are originally from.
“Go thru” meaning to keep going after. Yes was hired by former employer in the D-FW area. Didn’t last long as he got behind on paying his help again.
The Holy Spirit bears witness in several ways we’re aware of. We being most members of a small home church which “closed it’s doors” in ’99. Visions, dreams, goosebumps, nail prints, sensation of heat or fire on hands or feet, and sometimes a little light, like a single twinkle of a star, not all are white, some have color: blue, red, orange, or yellow/gold. Don’t understand the different colors. Our Pastor calls his wife & mine “seers”.
My unusual name is Cherokee, full name Ulinigida (Oo-lee-nee-gee-da) Yona, Strong Bear. Originally from Chicago. Have since lived in WI, TX, OR, CA, OH, WV, & now AL.
We absolutely must become children of Christ in order to receive a wedding garment to cover our sins and justify us before the Father. Being born again requires true desire to change, but here is a major point worth emphasizing: it does not require years of obedience or even an accurate or complete understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ to be born again.
If one stays true to this desire, it will lead them in the ways of all righteousness over time. But the straight and narrow path to eternal life does not begin with a requirement to possess all knowledge. It begins with a complete change of heart.
I like what you wrote Anna, and I totally agree about the Sabbath day. But in the process of warning others, we need not seek to try and convince them. True sheep hear the master’s voice and respond by coming to him. They recognize truth when it is pointed out to them.
Our job is to warn and testify. True. But it is the role of the Holy Spirit to carry truth deep into someone’s heart convincingly. Even Jesus’ mouth was shut around the Pharisees, to whom he gave enough information and no more. For him to have gone on and on would only have brought greater damnation upon people who were unwilling to abide the truth he spoke.
My email address is nscregional@gmail.com. I would love to hear more from you and share some neat insights I’ve had in return, but am not sure using the reply feature on Matt’s fantastic warning is the most appropriate place to do it. Anna, Matt, or anyone else wishing to contact me about things related to the gospel or America’s future or other mysteries, please feel free to do so. I have a spiritual gift for believing in the words of others, and a spiritual gift for drawing insights and connections that others miss.
I agree with you JohnPaul and when I posted the proof it was not so much for others to be totally convinced; it was for Paul Benson mainly. He apparently didn’t believe the first two I sent him showing his errors so sent one more.
Just so we are clear on that. 🙂
Matt, I agree with your reference to Paul’s writing in Romans about observing days, eating, etc. We must each work out our own salvation daily. If I live in a communist country for example, I may be forced to work everday-therefore in “deed” breaking the sabbath, yet in my heart observing the Sabbath rest that Jesus promised. He said there is a rest for the people of God.
There is no day that belongs to Satan. Everyday belongs to the Lord.
Psalm 128:24
This is the day that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it.
Hi Susie,
This is what Anna meant by describing Sunday as “Satan’s Day.” Of course, my idea is that each person should seek the Holy Spirit for themselves on this issue.
“Satan’s plan was to develop a counterfeit, opposition system of religion to attract worship away from the true God of Heaven. This false system had its sacrificial plan just as God had a plan of sacrifice. But Satan’s pagan worship required the offering up of human beings, which was often the sons and daughters of the worshipers. A counterfeit holy day was instituted in honor of the sun god, (Sun-day) and this was designed by Satan to rob God of his peculiar authority as the Creator of the universe as designated by His Holy day the Sabbath.”
Note: The 7th Day Sabbath was instituted by God AT CREATION. See the Book of Genesis.
Thank you Peggy. I already sought the Holy Spirit on this years ago.
What I have written above certainly doesn’t negate Psalm 128:24. That Scripture, like all Scripture is truth. We can’t just quote 1 Scripture and expect to have complete understanding through that 1.
When considering a topic, we must look to “first mention,” then seek out the FULL COUNSEL of Scripture for meaning. It will be very rare when doing so that the full meaning will not be revealed.
Anna’s point is that Satan is a counterfeiter.
He can’t create so he counterfeits.
Everyday is the Lord’s but ONLY ONE DAY WAS HALLOWED, SET APART, MADE HOLY & BLESSED and that is the Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week as are the others. If you want to worship everyday do so but Saturday is HIS ESTABLISHED DAY and if you read in Revelation it is the SABBATH that everyone will have to take part in. NO MORE SUNDAYS OR OTHER DAYS.
Susie, right now, satan is god of the world because God has allowed him to be. 🙂 that is why he is after souls so badly.
His time is short and his reign on earth is coming to a close.
love to you.
Sujit, No offense taken! Thank you for your kind heart and follow up. I too see the division you speak of. In fact, I am experiencing it first hand with my own sibling right now simply because I told him a dream I had concerning him and recommended he pray for greater understanding. He jumped in my face and told me to keep my dreams to myself and to try to live my life without dreams and feelings. The saddest part is, he is a professing Christian. Again, we have been warned these things would come. Thank heavens for the Bible!!!
Sujit;
Thank you for the words you left on my site. I have taken your advice to heart. And am in prayer.
As you can see from my article on Torah Observance (linked in my first comment) I do NOT think Jesus worshipped on Sunday. I teach he KEPT Sabbath, feasts and all other requirements of the Law, as did the Apostles. And additionally I myself do not ‘keep’ Sunday as a Sabbath but esteem all days alike. It is quite apparent my words and beliefs have been misrepresented by the comments of others in this thread.
As always your words have been an encouragement. Blessings and peace in Christ;
Paul Benson
After reading the majority of this discussion, I agree with you Paul. Hebrews is my favorite book in the Bible and it clearly delineates between the old and new covenants. We have great freedom in the new covenant, and the apostolic council in Acts made it clear what was actually required. I love the Hebrew roots and language and have been learning a great deal, but our relationship with Yeshua is to be preeminent and He has paid for this freedom although we still need to walk it out in love. I appreciate your perspective and use of Scripture.
She’s stubborn, Paul. You quoted Acts 15 , which is clear and definitive. She totally ignores it. People think they’re safe because they go to church a certain day. There again, you quoted Paul about esteeming every day alike. The scripture is clear, but people are stubborn.
I do believe we must obey the 10 commandments, which clearly includes keeping the Sabbath day holy. When I originally realized I had not been obeying that commandment I did some research and decided to observe the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Sometime later I discovered research that indicated the disciples and early church observed the Lord’s Day on Sundays since that was the day of his resurrection and other significant days (which I can’t specifically recall). So in essence the “New Testament Sabbath” shifted to Sundays. I decided then that since our church met Sundays I would observe the Sabbath those days. I also reasoned that perhaps it was not about which day of the week we keep the Sabbath, but rather that we keep every seventh day holy and until the Lord. … But recently it’s been on my heart that Saturdays are the true Sabbath and was actually just considering going back to keeping the Sabbath on Saturday rather than Sunday. So I’m glad to have read these comments and suggested sources for more information on the subject.
I would like to share a testimony from a dear brother in Christ. He was given a second chance at life after dying from being heavily intoxicated for weeks on end. When he left his body he found himself at the gates of hell where he was bound in ropes by a demon who accused him of sin. The sin the demon named was not keeping the Sabbath. He had broken 1 of God’s 10 commandments and thus deserved to be in hell. Thankfully he was given a second chance at life. Of course now he is on fire, obeying all commandments, daily repentance, spreading the Gospel and daily prayer, praise and worship as he walks very close with God and Jesus. I believe his experience is confirmation that God expects his children to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy!
When He brought me to the Sabbath, I was going on Sundays myself and I remember the Holy Spirit showed me but then I said “I will go ask the Pastor if that is true”. I drove there, got out of my car and halfway to the door I realized to myself “what are you doing Anna? He already told you and you are trying to tell God he is wrong by going to the Pastor”. (that was what I was thinking) and So I turned around, didn’t go in and ask the Pastor, got in my car, repented to God for doubting him and then asked him to teach me more. 🙂 🙂
It is a journey if you really want a relationship with Him and He will test you on these things too to see if you believe what He told you or you will trust in a Pastor or whomever. If He shows you or you are having a conviction that you need to go back to it, then you should listen to it because He will bless you abundantly for returning and repenting.
Truly, none of us should depend on any Pastor, Teacher, or Church leader. We must search out the Scriptures for ourselves. We must know our Instruction Manual FOR OURSELVES! Bibles are readily available to most of us.
How can we have discernment if we don’t know what’s in the BOOK?
Yup true. As the Holy Spirit was leading and teaching me, I realized I had to go into Hebrew customs of his time to understand some meanings of words we see in KJV.
It is why Gentiles are misled easier than Jewish people are. They are brought up with Torah and understand the customs and meanings better than Gentiles. 🙂
well night now.
Wow, Paloma. That was an amazing testimony.
I am not in contention with Paul at all but for him to say that Jesus didn’t honor His Father’s commands of keeping the Sabbath is offensive. I personally do not care what he would say about me but he has said that Gentiles didn’t keep it and it is not true.
SUN DAY is BA AL worship. What commandment would Satan hate the most? the 4th and why? Because it is the only commandment that points to God as being the Creator.
Who changed Saturday to Sunday for us to worship? CAtholic church/Vatican and back in the day, Constantine did. Who killed all those who refused to keep Sunday? They did. Gentiles and Jews; anyone who went against Constantine.
There is soooo much proof of this. SUN DAY IS WORSHIP OF THE SUN. That is pagan.
The Pope is looking to revive SUNDAY LAW. that is the same law that caused i believe millions to die and even anyone who mows their lawn on a Sunday or goes out to eat would be put to death also. People just need to look it up/ Crusades, Constantine, What SUN day is and whom one follows etc. etc.
Funny how you said it isn’t Jesus’s church or religion. Jesus himself was never a member of any synagogue but would teach in them but he never committed himself to any Rabbi as people do now that commit themselves to their Pastors.
Thank you for your post
the Sabbath actually begins on Friday shortly before The sunset. Thus, during the winter months, when the sun sets earlier, the Sabbath and major Jewish holidays begin earlier. Surely all Saturday Sabbath keepers must keep this same Sabbath on Friday evenings and not just Saturday alone.
Yes that is truth. I do that. Friday at sunset until Saturday at sunset. I know this and thank you.
Sister anna , may this Shabbos song bless you .
Oorah Presents: 8th Day “It’s Shabbos Now”
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Thank you for thinking of me and sending. Shabbat Shalom (Sabbath Peace).
I take it you follow it too?
One of the first things Holy Spirit taught me !
that is awesome! So you understand how the separation in end days will take place then.
just like in the days of the crusades there will be the
Sabbath Keepers (commandment keepers)
Sunday Law keepers (those who follow ways of pope and Vatican day of SUN day).
History is about to repeat itself all over again. I heard many will be going to places underground and I don’t mean that means under the ground but in places of safety that are Sabbath Keepers.
Bad thing about the Sunday Law that people don’t understand is that it is not just about going to worship on Sunday. Anyone even mowing a lawn or going out to eat on that day will be jailed, put to death or whatever they want to do to you. THEY will come after atheists, agnostics, all religions too.
I take it you heard of Sunday Law. Gary on this thread wrote about it on one of his posts.
I think this is very possible , thow there will be two groups , those that hear the Lord and learn to obey now will be hidden , the others will have to choose at that time .
Yes, that is what I observe. Friday at Sundown (7p.m. Shabbat Service) at my non-denominational Christian Church to Saturday at Sunset.
At Creation, the days are noted “and EVENING and the morning”—- EVENING is mentioned FIRST because we should always be moving from darkness to LIGHT!
I have to say, too, that there is SUPERNATURAL Blessing and Favor on my Pastor and church fellowship. It’s UNBELIEVABLE! I think this is because (in part) that they have been honoring the 7th day Sabbath and honoring and teaching on all of the Lord’s Feasts (Spring Feasts all have been fulfilled by Jesus’ First Coming; Fall Feasts have yet to be fulfilled by Jesus’ Second Coming).
Two weeks ago, we had a 3 hour Service on Friday evening and a 5 hour Service on Saturday morning, open to the public. The HEALING, signs and wonders that occurred where “out of this world.” AND that’s just ONE of the MANY BLESSINGS/ SUPERNATURAL FAVOR that I could mention.
Many years ago, the Lord clearly told me to KEEP SABBATH. It was crystal clear and i never doubted that it was from the Lord. It was spoken as an advice, given by a loving father who wants the best for me. My understanding is that He is my ‘maker’ and he wrote the instruction to keep me running at my best (keeping Sabbath is a perfect instruction from the maker’s Manuel)
When I got this word, i searched the Bible. I came to this question: How can I say that commandments such as ‘You shall not murder’ or ‘You shall not commit adultery’ still applies. And at the same time say that the commandment about ‘keeping Sabbath holy’ no longer apply?
Some time later, He again spoke ‘there is no need to lie’. I understood that it is NEVER needed to lie to succeed. With this word, He imparted a divine faith about saying the truth. A power was released to me about another commandant
All the 10 commandments are HIS BEST ADVICE for happiness and favor, now and forever. In addition, i know that if at one point, God wrote the 10 commandments, it is because all of them are important to Him. Just because the 10 commandments are good in His sight is enough for me to desire to follow them. So there is no debate in my heart to find out if they are abolished but I cry out to Him for His grace to help me to follow them all. Ask Him to speak the 10 commandments to you. It has been ‘priceless experiences’ to reveal the Father to me.
Thanks to all those here that have shared how they delight in the LORDs law. Once when I was standing under the lintel of the front door the LORD said to me “I want you to keep the Sabbath”. I said, when is it? He said “Friday sunset to Saturday sunset”. I had only just been saved, no one told me that the Sabbath was impt or even that we could speak to God and he would speak back. So later on I read about it. Hebrews 4 stood out for me.
Jane, can you explain what it means exactly to “keep the Sabbath”? Does it mean you just do no work? Thanks.
Here is my perspective on keeping the Sabbath.
1) Don’t work for anybody
2) Don’t buy or sell
3) Don’t let anyone work for you
4) Rest and reflect on the Lord
I think the Sabbath is a wonderful blessing. When you really get used to keeping it, it is such a great thing. I wake up on the Sabbath and know “Ah, today is going to be an easy restful day”. I am going to spend time with my family and other like minded Christians and enjoy the fellowship of the Lord.
Thank you mem! Can you go to church too if you desire?
I certainly could, but I don’t go to a seventh day adventist church and that’s the only “formal” church I know of that meets on Saturday. I don’t really think going to formal church on the Sabbath is important. We do try to meet with other Christian friends for fellowship, but it is not formal. Just fellowship/friendship/sharing/fun, etc. The formal “church” we go to meets on Sunday. Again, I don’t necessarily associate going to formal church as something tied to the Sabbath. For us our personal/family study/worship is often far richer than what we experience in formal church. In fact I appreciate the time on the Sabbath for personal/family study/worship outside of an organized formal church context
I’m not even a real diehard for formal church as I know many others are not as they see many formal churches compromised in one way or another. We may not go to a formal church forever…we may only do home group fellowships, with people we really know and trust, at some point in the future when things get really bad with persecution and betrayal
Truly, “church” happens when two or more are gathered in His Name. If you are Believers, you qualify to meet and hold “church” in your home. The Holy Spirit can lead.
Awesome experience and activities, Mem.
I’m glad you shared.
That’s an excellent perspective on keeping the Sabbath.
I invite everyone to open their Bibles and read PSALM 119.
It is all about the excellence of God’s Word and God’s Laws.
It is the longest Psalm of the 150, but it is WONDERFUL.
Even better than that, READ IT ALOUD.
If you don’t want to do that in one sitting, read one section 3 times a day (morning, noon, and evening). Take your “3 a Day” Vitamin, otherwise known as “GOD’S PILL.”
He has spoken them to me too Francine. He guides me to all truth. This is why I have to share the truth and not lie and say God is okay with Sunday worship.
And Yes, once you return to Sabbath you will be blessed abundantly and receive favor. He loves his kids and those are they who have repented, returned and come back to his commandments.
WE keep the commandments out of love and respect for our Father who loved us first! it really is that simple. He desires to bless all but most will stay in enmity with Him and refuse this favor and blessing.
I say to all “you have nothing to lose by returning and try it and see for yourself how He will bless you”. He opens doors then that have been closed previously.
Glad you love Him as much as I do. There is SOOO MUCH PEACE when we trust and obey!
so AMEN AMEN AMEN. Father is wonderful!
Bravo, Francine! That was a beautiful comment and awesome insight.
I was deeply touched in my spirit when i read Elizabeth posts’s on z3: https://z3news.com/w/markets-missing-bullseye-bears-set-stone/ She said: Immediately I heard in my spirit, “SET IN STONE.” When I got home, I was anxious to look up the phrase, “Set in stone.” The exact meaning was something “difficult or impossible to change.” God is the same, He does not change. And He is consistent in His vocabulary when giving rhema words. This is why, He spoke to Elizabeth ‘set in stone’ just like the immovable 10 commandments.
God cursed Adam with hard work (Gen 3:17). Then when He gave the 10 commandments, He provided a day of rest, a day with no curse, probably a shadow of things to come at the end of age. Even in times of harvest , when it is crucial to get the work done in time, we shall rest (Exodus 34:21-26), and He promise that we will be able to do all our work . No exceptions. But we have a slave mentality, we are in Egypt and we want to stay there. We do not want to take this day of rest and trust Him for provision. In the last days, God will free us to trust Him with His provision. I believe that this deliverance is needed to make us strong and refuse the mark of the beast.
The book of revelation makes it clear that the remnant will be able to keep the 10 commandments: ‘And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17)’.
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus… Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle (Revelation 14:12).
Daniel 7:25 warns us that in the last days: – The little horn [Antichrist] will try to change the Law of God.
A Jewish rabbi told me ‘the Jews will not listen to your testimony of Yeshua until you keep Sabbath. They cannot become ‘one ‘ with you right now because of this. ‘One new man’ is not possible without our repentance. As gentiles , we know that we were ‘grafted in’ . We should have come in and follow the way. Instead, we made it our way.
Surely, today, as i pray, i realize that I need to repent. I need to get serious about ‘keeping Sabbath’.
Marvelous, Francine! I found all of your comments here to be deeply inspired. You have made so many awesome points!
I felt the Holy Spirit on me as I read your comments. Also, here is a supporting Scripture for setting an example for/ going to the Jew FIRST. (I found this on the internet.)
“Since world evangelism is an essential duty of the Church, it is vital that we follow the Bible’s evangelistic methods and priorities. The sequence for world evangelism is stated by the Jewish Apostle to the Gentiles in ROMANS 1:16: “I am not ashamed of the Gospel (the Good News about salvation made possible by the Messiah for those who trust in Him), for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, TO THE JEW FIRST and also to the Greek.” This is the biblical order for evangelism, regardless of the medium (radio, television, street meetings, literature distribution, door-to-door visitation, mass evangelism, ads in the media, the Internet, etc.).”
Also, going back to SABBATH REST, remember that God allowed the Jews to go into Babylonian captivity for SEVENTY YEARS, since they had not observed 70 Sabbath (Shemitah) Years of Rest. (Every 7th year was to be a year of rest as far as the land/harvest.)
The Shemitah has continued throughout history and is seen in operation today. Jonathan Cahn is the biggest expert of this and other laws of God that continue to operate.
Luc 1: 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
When i read your reply, i recognized the presence of the Holy Spirit in you, like our sisters Elizabeth and Mary, long ago. I love it.
By the Spirit, I know that you are His. If not before, we will meet in heaven. Holy hugs, from your french speaking sister in Montréal.
Amen, Francine. Indeed I sense something VERY SPECIAL about you spiritually. I took French in High School, and once or twice my teacher asked me to teach the class in her place.
I am English speaking and in the United States.
Holy hugs, too!
very interesting to see that God considered important to declare, when talking about the new earth, that all man kind will worship Him on Sabbath. Isaiah 66:21. 22″For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “So your offspring and your name will endure. 23″And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the LORD.
Also see my comment to Tammy earlier today about the remnant following the commandments in the end times
, according to the book of revelation
That is soooo beautiful to hear! Welcome back for now you will be able to withstand during the days ahead. He will bless you and protect you Francine! He is Faithful!
That is true about Jewish people for they won’t listen to anyone talking about Jesus unless you keep the Sabbath.
I am so happy for you! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Joy shall fill your heart and He will forgive anyone who repents and returns! He loves you.
thanks Anna. Thanks for bringing reflexions that led me to seek the Lord today.
Just give thanks and praise to Savior for He was guiding these steps every inch of the way! 🙂 🙂
Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
The every fact we use words like Saturday or Sunday is pagan, they are the name on “gods”. Quakers used to say First day…second day.
We can keeps the sabbath and worship on Sunday (first day).
Apostle Paul dealt with this and Jesus with the Woman at the well. John 4:24.
For argument sake is the reason I put Saturday and Sunday because most people still don’t know that God called them by number.
you can’t keep the Sabbath and go to a church and worship on Sunday. If you do that you have one foot with God on Saturday and go right back to BA AL day Sunday.
now if you want to worship every night at home, that is fine. Stay away from satan’s presence in his church.
Same as the name of God; God is not the right name. It is Elohim. And the name of Jesus is manmade again. it is Yeshua or Yahushua. Father’s name is Yahuah. But again, because most don’t know this, I don’t make it an issue because it is silly to do so for as long we obey His commandments and return He will love us. He doesn’t like all the disputes on the names people have given him. So I don’t get into that either, just like i don’t get into the Saturday and Sunday being 7th day and 1st day because people were not taught this in Gentile churches so why confuse them. Most still don’t know how they were tricked by the Catholic Church so they follow Sunday.
Paul taught always on Sabbath and the one time he was there on a Sunday and broke bread was that the teachings went on into the night and he was leaving after 3 yrs I think it was and would not be back so they begged him to stay and break bread and that was after midnight but breaking bread (again in Hebrew custom) simply meant he stayed and ate with them on Sunday. 🙂
Peace out!
Jesus kept the commandments but he eliminated the legalistic punishments. He defended the adulterous woman and prevented her from being stoned (legalism). He forgave her for her sin of adultery…but then he told her “to sin no more”…keeping the commandment.
Hi Scott, here some more thoughts to consider.
Has Jesus eliminated the judgment of the adulterous women or has he given her time to repent? He said: go and sin no more. Clearly, He always give time to repent but at the sound of the trumpet, those who did not repent, what will happen to them? Revelation 21:8 – Among those who finally end up in “the lake of fire” are “murderers” (6th commandment), whoremongers (7th commandment), “idolaters” (2nd commandment), and “all liars” (9th commandment).
Satan is called the father of lies , i can understand why God does not want liars in heaven.
Sinning without sincerely asking God’s help is not the way. It is denying the power of the tree of live, staying with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Remember, we are not called to accumulate knowledge to discern between good and evil. The choice in the garden was not even a choice between good and evil. But we are called to chose the tree of life and receive His grace. He delivers.
Revelation 22:14,21 “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city … The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.” (KJV)
Revelation 12:17 – “The dragon was enraged with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 14:9-12 – Revelation describes a battle between “the beast” and “the saints … that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”
Revelation 11:19 – “The temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament.” Inside the heavenly ark are the original Ten Commandments (see Deut. 10:1-5).
These are my thoughts. I am in a journey to hear His truth with open heart . At this point in my life, I want the truth more than being right. Time is too short and it is too serious. I appreciate the light that He gives to me directly and the light coming from all the z3 community.
Francine…I agree! I believe the Ten Commandments must be followed…as well as God’s word in other Old Testament books that Jesus did not absolve. My Pastor is contemplating getting a tattoo of a cross and we debated the tattoo. He said he has researched and believes that New Testament covenant wipes out the Old Testament. I quote Leviticus 19:28 and said Jesus did not get tattooed so God’s word on this subject stands…do you really want to believe that God has changed his mind?
1 Corinthians 6:13 & 6:19 (amongst others) states that our bodies are temples for the Holy Spirit. God gave us perfect temples…why would you defile it with a tattoo? the Old Testament stands as our guidance to God’s will. Others will disagree…and do what they desire…we won’t fully know till we are sitting in the judgement seat….but for me…I am not willing to risk it. If God said no in the Old Testament…I am trusting that he meant no!
Also, we are seeing God’s pattern of dealing with ancient Israel being played out each day and year on American soil, either as blessing or cursing. Jonathan Cahn has given us all awareness on this in his book “The Harbinger.”
That pattern was established in the Old Covenant and obviously has not been done away with. It is unfolding before our eyes.
Heaven has RULES and
HEAVEN RULES.
Here is more proof that whomever taught you misled you.
Sorry you were misled but please don’t offend Jesus that way. He would never dishonor his Father and worship on a Sunday when no Jews worshipped on a Sunday. And Gentiles did honor Sabbath if you go back throughout history until the time of Constantine like i said. The Apostles too were taught by Jesus himself and they never deviated from the Sabbath either. Jesus would never go against His own Father when He and the Father are One.
Mark 2:27-28 – What Does The Sabbath Was Made For…
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/mark_2-27-28.html
**CLARIFICATION**
When I said ‘The entire New Testament Church did NOT keep Sabbath’. I did not mean none of them did. I was saying some did and some did not. The Gentiles were never instructed to ‘keep’ the Law. If they (or any today) wanted to they could but it was not a requirement.
Paul I think you and Anna may have missed a key point , relationship . Jesus said ; if you love ME , you follow MY Commandments . If you follow the Commandments out of the Law it means little , if you follow the Commandments because you love JESUS , it means every thing . Blessings !
John;
That is a great point. I bring out that point clearly in my article on Torah Observance linked in my comment above. Many messianic Jews choose to show their love and devotion to Jesus by observing those days and feasts. We need to respect that; and I very much do. But we must also warn against the danger of falling back onto dead works. This was the main purpose of Paul’s letter to the Galatians, to warn of self-righteous works that set aside the free gift of Christ’s righteousness we receive without the works of the Law.
Blessings to you.
Well, as we approach the end of the Church Age, we will see more and more of the “One New Man” which is comprised of:
1.) Christians that return to and embrace their original Hebraic Roots.
2.) Jews that have converted to Messiah and have become Spirit-Filled.
The appearance of the “One New Man” is a sign that Messiah’s Second Coming is drawing near.
Here’s the “ONE NEW MAN” Scripture from
Ephesians 2:2-16.
In verse 15, it’s not about abolishing the 10 Commandments, but the strict adherence to the ordinances. Anna explained this in one of her comments above.
“2Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into ONE NEW MAN, thus establishing peace, 16and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.”
Amen Peggy! As I have learned about and began to celebrate the Jewish Feasts and the Sabbath over the past few years, I have been immensely blessed and my faith has grown in a big way. As Christians, we miss out on so much when we ignore these special appointed times.
For those interested in learning more about the richness of our Jewish heritage, I have found Perry Stone, Mark Biltz, Jim Staley, Scott Velain, Josh Tolley, Michael Rood, etc. to be great resources.
Jonathan Cahn, Nehemiah Gordon and Sid Roth can also be added to the list of great resources relating to our rich Jewish heritage.
Sounds like excellent suggestions, Gary. For the past 3 years, I’ve used Mark Biltz’s Wall Calendar. I Love it. It’s a GREAT way to be reminded of “GOD’s Daytimer.”
On Mark Biltz’s Calendar, the Hebrew Calendar is superimposed on our Gregorian Calendar, so there is no confusion. All the Feasts, Sabbaths, etc. are noted.
The Sabbaths and Feasts are GOD’S APPOINTMENTS with us. It isn’t our business to change the appointments God has set with us and tell Him that we’ve changed them, and now they’re valid because WE changed them.
Food for thought: It’s funny that we celebrate Christmas and Easter (two things God never told us to celebrate). BUT, we completely ignore the appointments God has set to meet with us- such as the 7th day Sabbath and the 7 Feast Days.
These Feast Days are described as the “Lord’s Feasts” in Scripture. It is also stated that they will be observed FOREVER. Those 2 things really “knocked my socks off” when I read the Bible for the first time cover to cover at the rate of about 24 pages per day over a 3 month time period.
At that time, I had NO KNOWLEDGE of any of the resources that Gary listed above. I knew NOTHING of our Jewish Heritage (although i had attended church for YEARS). I truly believe that the Holy Spirit just hi-lighted them to me. I could feel the Holy Spirit on me (for the first time ever) as I read, and He highlighted things to me; not just the above.
That exercise alone precipitated much spiritually for me.
I completely agree with what you have stated above Peggy. I had a discussion with a believer a few days ago about the fact that it is sad that we don’t celebrate the birth of Jesus on the correct day (largely accepted as Tishrei 15 and the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) – after sunset on October 16th this year). Rather, as a result of a nefarious scheme of the Roman Catholic Church, we ‘celebrate’ it on a pagan holiday that was established to worship the Sun god (and the same can be said for Easter as you have pointed out above).
In my discussion, I stated that many of us would be upset if close friends or family members failed to acknowledge our actual birthday or chose to impose the celebration on a different day – several months away from our actual birthday. How sad that so many treat the birthday of our blessed Savior In this same manner.
It is also unfortunate that so many Christians miss out on the remarkable relevance of Jesus being born in a Sukah (a temporary shelter / manger) that continues to be the major focal point for the Jews (along with the water libation ceremony) when the 7-day Feast of Tabernacles is celebrated as an ‘appointed time’ each year.
I am glad to hear that you are blessed by the Hebrew calendar from Mark Biltz. I have also downloaded a Hebrew calendar on my smartphone (and synced with the calendar on my iPad and laptop) that shows each date of the Hebrew calendar as well as the major and minor Hebrew feasts and the times of sunsets at the beginning and end of each Sabbath based on your location (see https://www.hebcal.com). God bless you!
Can you imagine the consternation of the merchandise-pushers if Holy Spirit filled Christians simply walked away from Dec. 25th Christmas with all its obvious over-commercialization and chose instead to return to its actual day — and then only gave to charities that help the poor, humble or holy land instead? Maybe we could start a grass-roots movement right here on Z3!
Carol,
That is such a wonderful idea!
Here’s a word through LINDA CLAY (Z3 Author) that goes with your idea.
It’s titled “Dream- Word from the Lord- I’m Going to Eliminate Materialism from My Body”
https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2015/12/22/12-22-15-dream-word-from-the-lord-im-going-to-eliminate-materialism-from-my-body/
Hi Gary, does this calendar shows the beginning of the year in the spring or in the fall? Has God ever spoken to any of you when is God’s new year? http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/how-rosh-hashanah-became-new-years-day/
Jewish scholars do not agree among themselves. But God knows. I am praying for a clear voice, a message from His throne
Blessings Francine. Before I attempt to shed some light on the seemingly conflicting views on the Jewish New Year, I must state that I am not an expert and what follows is a consolidation of information from various sources including
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Calendar/calendar.html.
In practical terms, there are essentially two “New Year’s” days in Jewish tradition.
1. Tishri 1 (also known as the Civil Year): The Mishnah (Sanhedrin 38b) states that Adam and Eve were created on this date (also known as Rosh Hashanah) so it represents the beginning of time for humanity on the earth. Also, Genesis 7:11 makes reference to the beginning of the Flood on the 17th day of the second month – which is Cheshvan (i.e. the month after Tishri).
Genesis 7:11 “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.”
Later on, Tishri also became associated with the agricultural “Feast of Ingathering” at the “end of the year” (Exod. 23:16, 34:22), though after the destruction of the Second Temple, the sages decided it would mark the start of the civil year in the fall. Tishri 1 was therefore called Rosh Hashanah (“the head of the year”) which begins a ten-day “trial” of humanity climaxing on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur).
2. Nisan (Abib or Aviv) 1 (also known as the Biblical or Ecclesiastical Year): This date marks the start of the month of the Exodus from Egypt and the beginning of Jewish national history. As such, it represents the start of the Biblical year for counting the festivals (Exod. 12:2).
Aviv is also the name of the month of newly-ripened grain (Exodus 13:4; 23:15); the first of the Jewish ecclesiastical year, and the seventh of the civil year. It began about the time of the vernal equinox, on 21st March. It was called Nisan, after the Captivity (Neh. 2:1). On the fifteenth day of the month, harvest was begun by gathering a sheaf of barley, which was offered unto the Lord on the sixteenth (Lev. 23:4-11).
Note: the reference to the ‘second month’ in Genesis 7:11 should not be confused with the second month after Nisan (i.e. Iyar) since the departure from Egypt took place after the Flood and the new calendar referenced in the Book of Exodus hadn’t occurred yet.
Another interesting way to view this is to consider that the calendar is divided into two equal parts of exactly six lunar months each, both of which center on redemptive rituals and end with harvests. In this respect, the fall holidays “mirror” the spring holidays on the divine calendar, and both sides of the calendar represent different aspects of God’s redemptive plan for the world.
The spring holidays represent the first advent of Yeshua (i.e. Yeshua as Suffering Servant, Lamb of God, Messiah ben Yosef), whereas the fall holidays represent His second advent (i.e. Yeshua as Conquering Lord, Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Messiah ben David).
It is my hope that you find something helpful above…
You say that “we must also warn against the danger of falling back onto dead works.” OH— it’s too late!! You should’ve told me that 5 years ago when I didn’t know any better!
I LOVE my Hebraic Roots as taught by my Holy Spirit led Pastor. The Lord has told my Pastor, “If you read the Scriptures through Hebraic eyes, I will open the Scriptures to you.”
This is so far from being “dead” or “dead works” as the east is from the west. The Scriptures have truly become ALIVE!!!
Food for thought: There could be many “self-righteous” works taking place in many of today’s Christian Churches. Let’s not think that self-righteous works were restricted to the Jews in the time of Jesus. Our churches today are largely power-less, devoid of the power and presence of the Holy Spirit.
Food for thought: BETTE STEVENS (Z3 Author) has been taken over the United States and shown the heart of the church here. She saw a black hole. (I’ve heard her mention it when she hosted the national prayer lines— sometimes going well over 2 hours). In addition, she mentions this on one or more of her videos. It’s very sobering.
John, if I may expand on your comment, I haven’t noticed anyone referring to Acts chapter 15 & the Council at Jerusalem. The resulting letter was addressed to the Gentiles, and seems relevant in this discussion.
And if you love Jesus you will follow the Ten Commandments and it won’t be grievous to do so. You will not follow Sunday out of respect and love for God!
Anna all days are the Lords it is fine to worship on Sundays , Sabbath is for inviting the Lord / Jesus to visit & sup with your family . When we follow the Commandments it is a love gift to Jesus ; love should always be our primary motivation , even in War , imo .
Speaking of the 10 Commandments, I can’t resist posting them.
Just think if everyone paid reverence to verse 13 “YOU SHALL NOT MURDER,” don’t you think that perhaps we would not have passively stood by as approximately 60 MILLION unborn babies were murdered in the U.S. since the Supreme Court legalized murder of the unborn in January of 1973? Would abortion have even gotten started to begin with?
Perhaps we wouldn’t be under the strict Judgment that we are under right at this moment.
Also, I saw a documentary where college students and adults were asked to name the 10 Commandments. Most couldn’t even name one of them. The Book of Hosea says “My people perish for a lack of knowledge.”
Exodus 20:1-17New King James Version (NKJV)
The Ten Commandments
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Hello,
Here’s some more input on the SABBATH topic.
The Lord led me to this information through my Pastor (Pastor Groller).
Hopefully this will provide food for thought.
“All Scripture is God-breathed, so let the Spirit of God speak to you on how this affects you personally. The Word in its full counsel is the FINAL AUTHORITY.
God never disconnected us from our Hebraic roots. That was man’s idea to do so. We live in the age of grace, but the 10 Commandments have not been done away with. The thing that has changed is that we don’t follow the law to the point that they are our Salvation and not Jesus.
This is not a Salvation issue. The Sabbath doesn’t have to do with Salvation. [Note from Peggy: Please read everything here before jumping on any one sentence. Please read the full counsel of this message.]
Whether we should observe the Sabbath on the 7th day or not is a matter of discipleship, which matters to the heart of God. The Spirit of God is our Teacher, not any Pastor. The Pastor should function as one that opens the door for students of the Word to dig deeper into it.
Consider the “Biblical Law of First Mention.” The place of first mention gives the word its most complete and accurate meaning and provides a fuller foundation for its development in the later parts of the Bible.
Did God end the 7th day Sabbath? Was it only for a season?
This is not about winning an argument with man, but is about being right with God. We should seek to know God’s Heart on this subject.
First mention: Genesis 2:2-3 “By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.”
The Sabbath was established AT CREATION. It was meant for MAN, not just Israel. If sin had never come, we would still be honoring the Sabbath.
Exodus 16, before the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20, God instructed the people to gather enough manna on the 6th day to last fro the 7th day.
In Exodus 20, Commandment #4 was pre-existing from Creation, therefore the wording “REMEMBER the Sabbath.”
See also Isaiah 56:6-7; Matthew 5:17-19; 1 John 5:2.
See Isaiah 66:23 saying that from one Sabbath to another shall ALL FLESH come to worship before Me. This is prophetic about the Millennium. Also, Zechariah 14:16 refers to everyone celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles in the Millennium.
For 4,000 years before Christ, the Sabbath was definitely honored. Why would it be in our Gentile age that it suddenly wouldn’t matter anymore, only to be “re-instituted” by God in the Millennium?
Jesus kept the Sabbath as well as the disciples and all 1st generation apostolic Christians. Jesus was a Sabbath and Festival honoring Jew.
The separation happened when Gentile leadership got into the Gentile church and began separating Gentile Christians from their Hebraic roots. They began to mix paganism with truth. When you do that, you get paganism. A little leaven destroys the whole loaf. It was man that changed the Sabbath, and much was rooted in anti-Semitism. The truths of God were exchanged for the traditions of man. The Word of God was not in the hands of the people and therefore, it was easily altered.
March 7, 320 A.D. the Roman Emperor Constantine said, “On the venerable day of the sun, let the magistrate and the people residing in the cities rest, and let all work-shops be closed.” Church and state were one at that point, and from that day on, no one would come against that decision. Constantine made a world-wide religion. It then lost its roots and origins. My Pastor strongly believes that Jesus is not going to return until we resume back to those roots. “I am the vine and you are the branches. If you abide in Me, you will bear fruit.”
[Think about it, is the church bearing the fruit today that the Lord wants them to bear? WE are the answer to a fallen world and people that are sick, despondent, sad, and sorry.]
After this time, there was MAJOR persecution for anyone that observed the 7th day Sabbath. They could die for doing so.
In 325 A.D. Pope Silvester (Catholic convergence with Constantine) officially named Sunday “The Lord’s Day.” Three years later, the Bishop of Constantine wrote this: “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do during the Sabbath, we have transferred to the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week.” MAN TRANSFERRED THIS. THE TRUTH OF GOD BECAME THE TRADITIONS OF MAN.
Questions and Answers from the Roman Catholic Church Doctrine:
Question: Why do we observe Sunday rather than Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday rather than Saturday because the Catholic Church at the Counsel of Laodicea in A.D. 336 transferred Saturday to Sunday.
Question: Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
Answer: We substitute Sunday for Saturday because Christ rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost descended on a Sunday (this second part has been refuted by archaeological findings and timelines.)
Question: By what authority does the church have to transfer the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?
Answer: The Church substituted the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday BY THE PLENTITUDE OF THE DIVINE POWER JESUS CHRIST BESTOWED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Now we should consider the Scripture in the Book of Revelation about the consequences of adding to the Book. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He certainly doesn’t have a secret mission with any one church where He tells them an inside track on Him changing His mind.
We need to be Bereans and to be in the Word. We can’t always just assume that because we’ve always done something a certain way that it is the correct way. The History of the 7 Churches shows us that there has been a lot of ebb and flow of Christian Churches throughout the ages.
The enemy said in the Garden, as he always will say, “Did God REALLY say that?”
We can be in great churches and have great leaders, but if we don’t read the Word for ourselves, we set ourselves up for deception. Be Bereans. Check on what is being taught. Go to the feeding trough for yourselves. The Holy Spirit is the true Teacher of the Church.
What if we started doing EVERYTHING the BOOK says?
Lord, give us BOLDNESS to want to know the FULL COUNSEL OF YOUR WORD!”
Additional info regarding the Sabbath. (Sabbath means REST.)-
“Sabbath is to be a God-centered and family centered day. It’s a day to spend extra time with God; to seek Him. WE’RE NOT EVEN TAUGHT THIS.Somehow, we think that we’re more Christian if we’re busy.
‘How are you?’ BUSY.
We have way too much sickness in the church.
Sickness= disease= Dis-Ease.
God asks a Sabbath Tithe of our week’s time and we’re not giving it to Him. It’s a known fact that 90% of all disease comes from stress as it’s root. We’re running around but not really accomplishing anything in the long run. Give Him the time He asks, or He’ll lay us down. We’ll do it God’s WAY!”
“No argument about what anyone hears from the Holy Spirit about this issue. Not telling anyone to change from Sunday Worship to Saturday.
Just be Bereans and listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying to you.”
Peggy’s note: Perhaps when the visible church becomes totally apostate and the true church goes underground, there will be a return to honoring the 7th Day Sabbath (and thus receiving more of God’s BLESSING) and Jewish Roots in the House Churches; Also a return to the signs, wonders, and miracles as in the Book of Acts with the Full Counsel of the Scripture being honored above all man-made traditions.
Peggy……….I agree with all you have written on this comment!!!!
Amen, thanks for reading.
Paul,
I see Anna as passionate for the things of God and not self-righteous.
I think she sincerely wants to do the right thing.
That is so much better than ignoring and/or ripping out pages of the Book (Bible). I’m not saying that’s you. I just believe she wants to be a true Berean.
Based on the veracity of this debate I might regret getting involved with this conversation? I too am uncertain about this controversial subject? Both sides present powerful arguments and I’m not necessarily taking sides because I haven’t completely discerned the truth and I have come to recognize that I am not infallible and neither is my understanding of the word which has been demonstrated to me time and time again. Many times I have been found in error when I thought I was correct. That being said I hope I’m not branded a heretic or judged because of my current understanding which may be right or wrong? I love Jesus Christ and live for Him! I too am earnestly seeking the truth like us all. I think one reason for confusion is verses like this one :Colossians 2:16-23King James Version (KJV)
16 Let NO man therefore JUDGE you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH days:
17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
What are we to do with this? The original greek makes it clear that apostle Paul was referring to the sabbath. I know the history of the Catholic Church and how they paganised the sabbath. I agree with many things that Peggy and Anna and Paul B have said. You all make legitimate points. It’s quite complicated which is why this debate rages on . My question is: If the above statement is false, then is the apostle Paul a false prophet and if so are we to discard his other teachings in the New Testament. This is not a sarcastic question but a honest question. What is one to do with these New Testament teachings that shed new revelation on old test teachings? I do not know the answer and am conflicted and as usual will continue to seek the full council of God for the answer. As of now, this is the verse that the Holy Spirit has quickened in me this morning.
For those interested in doing a ‘deep dive’ into the Sabbath Worship issue, the following resources should prove to be helpful. My only advice is to approach this subject with meekness, an open mind and a pure heart while praying for truth, wisdom and discernment. The rest can be left to the Lord…
Scott Velain of Holy Impact Ministries:
The Sabbath Truth And How To Keep It (Part 1 of 2): https://youtu.be/L00gBClvyj0
The Sabbath Truth And How To Keep It (Part 2 of 2): https://youtu.be/67Y5fJBgjqE
http://www.holyimpactministries.com/Downloads/The%20Sabbath%20Truth%20And%20How%20To%20Keep%20It%20Part%201.pdf
http://www.holyimpactministries.com/Downloads/The%20Sabbath%20Truth%20And%20How%20To%20Keep%20It%20Part%202.pdf
Michael Rood and Nehemia Gordon:
How to Keep the Sabbath – Shabbat Night Live – August 12, 2016: https://youtu.be/cNB2_hglzJw
Others:
The Sabbath Day – 119 Ministries: https://youtu.be/5O1508ad1ZA
Jim Staley – SABBATH DEBATE With Chris Rosebrough at Passion For Truth: https://youtu.be/AtzNcDU-h3M
What’s Wrong With Sunday SUN Worship?: https://youtu.be/qqdlfdOayHo
Blessings to all.
Carmackian,
That’s an interesting Scripture. I would say, yes, “don’t let any man judge or condemn you” in regard to these things.
But DO seek the Holy Spirit for yourselves and DO be aware of the GREAT DECEPTION that will be befalling all in the end times (now; 2016). It is advisable to follow the BOOK as much as possible, even returning to a keen awareness of the Sabbath as mentioned in Genesis; including an awareness of our Hebraic Roots. Avoid DECEPTION by knowing God’s Heart!
Check this message through JEFF BYERLY (Z3 Author)
(holyspiritwind).
It speaks of the coming deceptions as well as the importance of following commandments.
Saturday, October 22, 2016
The Father is Searching for You
10-22-16
A message from the Father:
Children it’s getting very dark outside in the world and I am calling you. You’ve been playing outside in the world for too long, it’s time to come in to The Father’s house. There is safety and comfort here and the evil ones who seek to destroy you cannot touch you here. Why have you let your lamps go out? Come to me and I will give you fresh oil for your lamps! If you wait any longer the darkness will envelope you and you will not see your way back to me.
There is a false light that is burning ever brighter. Soon it will shine so brightly that it will seem to be My Son, your savior Jesus. If you are closer to the false light than to Me, you will go to that light and not to Me.
My voice is still and small, though I AM the creator of everything including you. I have nothing to prove. Please quiet yourself and hear My voice. I will never scream and yell at you like the enemy.
When you hear My voice you will have peace in your spirit, and rivers of living water flow from your innermost being.
I love you more than you can ever know, please don’t reject me.
Your enemy Satan or the devil, who was once called Lucifer, has told so many lies about Me that most of you don’t know what to believe anymore. He is the father of all lies and there was no evil before him. He is the cause of the horrible things that happen on the this earth, I made everything perfect before he caused man to sin. Sin brought death into the world, before this, nothing died. Man was in perfect communion with me and we walked together in the garden in the cool of the evening. Man knew only life and light and even glowed with my glory. There was perfect peace on earth and even the animals were in harmony with each other and man. Vegetation just grew and there was no need for plowing and sowing – just pick and eat. This is the world that I wanted for all of you!
As the remedy for sin and death, I sent My Son Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach, to die for your sin, He and I are one. You don’t have to die spiritually, I offer you everlasting life once again, as it was in the beginning. Accept My sacrifice, follow Me with all of your heart and I will help you overcome your sin. Once you really know Me you won’t want to go against My commandments. My commandments are all for your good and I give you My Holy Spirit to lead and guide you into all truth. If you are truly following My Spirit you will automatically follow My commandments without even thinking about them. If you make a mistake, just ask for forgiveness and I will forgive you immediately, if you mean it with all of your heart. I AM who judges the heart!
Those who say they follow Me but love to stay in their fleshly, sinful ways are not Mine and I will say to them depart from Me you never knew Me. When you know Me you will love Me and My commandments and they will not be difficult to follow. You will have love for Me and for your fellow man and you will not do things just to be seen by man.
I tell you My love is inside of all those who are Mine. Those who call themselves by My name yet commit evil abominations will be punished more severely than anyone else. The church that claims to worship Me, but actually worships Lucifer the fallen one who is Satan, your true dark and evil ways will be brought into the light before everything is said and done. You have given Me a bad name for long enough!
Child, I am searching for you now, please come back to Me. You are on the threshold of the darkest time that the earth has ever known. I have to allow terrible things to happen to this world because of the abundance of sin on the earth. All will be shown that this is the last chance to get to know Me. I invite you now to seek protection and peace in My secret place where the enemy cannot come.
Let me hug you and tell you how much I love you!
I will never force you.
Please come now!
I plead with you!
Your Loving Daddy God
Posted by HolySpiritWind at 11:35:00 AM
Thx for all your input Peggy. I agree with you about trying to follow the bible as close as possible. One thing I’m learning is when I see an apparent contradiction in the word… It is really a misinterpretation by myself. The word doesn’t need to change but my understanding of the word does. This is part of the growing process. I know great deception and testing lies ahead and I want to be as prepared as possible as do many who come to this website. I’m trying to learn to move past the head knowledge and into the full experience of KNOWING The Lord… But that takes emptying ourselves so the Holy Spirit can fill us up….which can be quite a struggle when you’ve spent many decades like myself inflating my ego and have only recently truly recieved The Lord just 5 short years ago …. But it has been an amazing 5 years and I’ve learned more in the past 5 yrs about myself and life than the previous 37 yrs.
Also thx you for that recommendation on that book. I am really enjoying that teaching about the Holy Spirit very much. It actually held the answer to a pray I had prayed recently… A confirmation I had been seeking. I’m a few chapters in and can see that it is going to be very helpful in my journey. Blessings to you.
Carmackian,
I truly believe you are on the right path! What comes to mind is this, “you are an asset to the Kingdom of Heaven.”
Would that be the book by Dave Roberson?
im not sure…the one about 4 keys to hear the Holy Spirit.
Carmackian, I read that same verse this evening and was wondering the same thing.
Looking at one Scripture only usually doesn’t give us God’s entire Heart. If you look at my LONG comment on the Sabbath, you’ll read about the “Biblical Law of FIRST MENTION” and then checking the majority of references throughout Scripture to expand on the original meaning of FIRST MENTION.
We must read that Scripture in context. Perhaps Paul didn’t want the Jews that were so accustomed to legalism to put those yokes on the new Gentile Believers. To me, that does not negate the Spirit of Sabbath established at Genesis.
Someone named “Mem” here posted a few short points on her perspective on how to observe the Sabbath. Personally, her short simple and clear list was EXCELLENT.
On the other hand, I understand that the Jews in Israel get very legalistic about the Sabbath, to the point of having a “Sabbath Elevator.” These elevators have no button inside to push, they just automatically stop at each floor in sequence. Why? Because pushing the elevator button is “WORK.”
I say this not to put down anyone who is Jewish, but only to bring out some points about the possible context of what Paul was speaking about here (although of course, elevators weren’t in existence then, the legalistic spirit was).
Scripture tells me that the Word of God stands forever in the heavens. It tells me that all Scripture is God- Breathed, and it also tells me that Jesus and the WORD are ONE. “God said it, and I believe it, and that settles it for me”!
There are MANY Scriptures that I didn’t understand and even seemed contradictory to me over the last 4 years, but that didn’t stop me from checking FIRST MENTION and the FULL COUNSEL, and trusting that it is ALL TRUTH. Do you know, that in time, revelation knowledge comes to me in unexpected ways. It’s WONDERFUL!
That’s not to say that I have complete understanding. I certainly do not. I think the revelation of Scripture in one’s life is a progressive thing, and as the Book States, the Scriptures are UNSEARCHABLE. I don’t think anyone can say that they have complete understanding.
One more thing, a few years ago I heard, “If you keep my Sabbath, I will bless you abundantly.”
It’s nice that “Mem” made her Sabbath list of points. I remember when I first started observing it, I thought, “now what do I do?” My mindset was always the Babylon culture idea “busy is best.” Well, in changing this mindset, many creative ideas flow. Rest happens, and God is honored.
sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.-Jesus
Mark 2:27-28 – What Does The Sabbath Was Made For…
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/mark_2-27-28.html
TAKE time to read this.
Hi Anna,
I attend a non-denominational Christian church that has a mandate from the Lord to honor our Jewish Roots. We celebrate Shabbat (Sabbath) on Friday evenings (Shabbat officially begins at sundown).
I’m curious. Are you a “Seventh Day Adventist”?
Thanks,
Peggy
People get ready for the Lion from the tribe of Judah is coming! Here is a song for you:
https://youtu.be/Z9hjucgDVPI
Thank you for sharing your experience with us Anna (and Peggy). I have been on a similar journey over the past several years and have come to many (if not all) of the same conclusions. For those interested in this topic, I am including a few related posts with some interesting and diverse resources that I have come across during my studies that shed some light on the Fourth Commandment, the Vatican and the relevance in the days to come:
Starting on page 445 of ‘The Great Controversy’ written in 1888 (http://www.bible-sabbath.com/Sabbath-Sunday/GC88-all.pdf) it states the following:
“After the warning against the worship of the beast and his image the prophecy declares: “Here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Since those who keep God’s commandments are thus placed in contrast with those that worship the beast and his image and receive his mark, it follows that the keeping of God’s law, on the one hand, and its violation, on the other, will make the distinction between the worshipers of God and the worshipers of the beast. The special characteristic of the beast, and therefore of his image, is the breaking of God’s commandments.
Says Daniel, of the little horn, the papacy: “He shall think to change times and the law.” Daniel 7:25. And Paul styled the same power the “man of sin,” who was to exalt himself above God. One prophecy is a complement of the other. Only by changing God’s law could the papacy exalt itself above God; whoever should understandingly keep the law as thus changed would be giving supreme honor to that power by which the change was made. Such an act of obedience to papal laws would be a mark of allegiance to the pope in the place of God. The papacy has attempted to change the law of God. The second commandment, forbidding image worship, has been dropped from the law, and the fourth commandment has been so changed as to authorize the observance of the first instead of the seventh day as the Sabbath.”
Although I am not an SDA, I found the writing by Ellen White above to be very insightful given that it was written 128 years ago.
AMEN
I wanted to let you know how awful the Catholics are when you speak this truth about their Beloved idols and their fake pope. They go ballistic. This crowd is tame compared to them. I was raised Catholic and as long as I was like them they were nice to me and when I left them , if they could have run me over with their cars, they would have for sure! The nastiest people I encountered were Catholics and atheists.
People think when I tell this truth that it is me being ugly to them when they don’t realize the bashing those that are called to be watchmen to warn get. I remember one time on FB getting blasted from all sides and I wanted to give up and started to cry and I heard Jesus say to me “Remember, they hated Me first”.
He encouraged me to keep going and so i have and continue but now I realize what He must have went through. He was very blunt and even turned over tables remember?
Amen Anna. This interview with David Carrico attempts to shed some light on the deception within the Roman church in a factual yet loving manner. https://youtu.be/YDETQik4Ro4
To Gary and to all that are taking the time to read about the Sabbath and going to the Lord about it, I want to encourage you and tell you that HE LOVES US THAT MUCH that He wants us all to make it in the end and I wish the same for all too.
Instead of people having the attitude of “shooting the messenger” get mad at Satan for deceiving us all on everything. On religion, on politics, in our marriages, in our jobs etc.
satan has done so much damage to the Body of Christ and it is what the Holy Spirit said once to someone that there is no power in the Body of Christ anymore. He said once “dead people in dead churches” and it is the Pastor’s job to teach properly and they are failing miserably to do so. Now, don’t get me wrong, there are some decent ones. Judgment first starts in the House of God and I wouldn’t want to be one of them. My walk is hard enough. I have talked to several Pastors and not a single one said to me that Sunday was the day and I asked them “so why do you do that then” and each one, at different times, said “because if I tell them the truth they won’t come”. I was mortified and said “so it is all about your glory, your money, your things” and “did you read Revelation and what he will do to you for this”. They stare at me and walk away. So I thought they really didn’t know the right day but found out that they do, at least all those I spoke to did. How horrible to blatantly know better and go against God and then lead his flock astray!! Their reward is coming because Jesus returns very soon now. I then understood why God pulled me out of these churches each time I tried to go.
Love to all.
Anna,
A friend of mine heard “They spit on My Son.”
a friend of mine heard ” I will not repent” and “I will no longer cry for these people” (thus meaning He will not repent for destroying us; God abhors us right now).
Sounds like He has finally hit his breaking point with us and is done with us. And to think He have us since 2001 to stop this craziness but instead USA is so incredibly dirty and prideful, arrogant that she went further into defiance.
I know. It’s truly very sad. Lord have mercy on us all.
Wow, Gary. I didn’t read the link yet, but you gave GREAT insight into those 2 Scriptures. I will read any links you have provided.
In one of Ron Wyatt’s last interviews in June 1999, he stated that he was told by an angel that the stone tablets (Ten Commandments) he found in the Ark of the Covenant in 1982 would be revealed to the world ‘when the Sunday Law’ was enacted. The relevant portion of the transcript and the link to the associated website (and recording) are included below:
Bill Fry: Now let me ask you a question here.
Ron Wyatt: Okay.
Bill Fry: Cause when you told me this before, you know, you told me you took the tables of stone out, and then the angel told you something about the tables of stone?
Ron Wyatt: Yeah, he told me that it had to do with when these were to be shown to the world.
Bill Fry: Right.
Ron Wyatt: Two things were stated; one that if I was faithful I would have the privilege of sharing this, and the second was that when the mark of the beast law was in force, that shortly after that, was when this would take place.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: And there is a little bit of conundrum: it wasn’t stated as the mark of the beast law, it was stated, “when the Sunday law,” but I tell people, and I think it’s wiser to tell people that, since it’s not lying or deceiving, is that when the mark of the beast law is in force.
Bill Fry: Right. But the angel said “Sunday law”.
Ron Wyatt: That’s right.
http://www.covenantkeepers.co.uk/last_interview.html
For those interested in knowing more about Ron Wyatt, I have included one of my favourite videos of Ron giving a presentation in New Zealand – https://youtu.be/u7opnMSOBvE. Despite watching this several times over the years, I still find it hard to hold back the tears each time I see it.
I remember watching Ron Wyatt talking about finding the Ark and he got real emotional about it. He was talking about the blood there that he was told to go get tested by the angel and he did and he had several others test it and it came back with only one DNA in it I think it was and it was of the Father. So it was the Father in heaven. I thought it was so cool. I believed this man because you just can’t make stuff up like this and he had several prove it so they couldn’t dismiss him as lying about it.
I don’t remember hearing him say the Ten Commandments would be revealed when Sunday Law comes about but I will look at what you sent.
Look up Erdogan in Turkey too and this I am pointing out because the OTTOMAN EMPIRE IS BEING RISEN AGAIN and they murdered millions also. Erdogan works hand in hand with the antichrist
So we have antichrist in our highest position (O), then we have Sunday law (pope/false prophet) and we have Erdogan (ottoman empire which is antichrist heaven). I just call it that and will send link again when I find it. Erdogan is like Hitler; insane and so egotistical and power hungry.
Thank you, Anna. I will definitely check out more on Erdogan and the Ottoman Empire. It looks very interesting!
With respect to the blood that Ron Wyatt found on the Mercy Seat, the lab tests showed that it had 24 chromosomes (23 from Mary and 1 from the Father) rather than 46 chromosomes (23 from each parent). When the Jewish lab technicians (in Israel) witnessed this seemingly impossible result, they were astonished and asked Ron whose blood this was. Ron responded “this is the blood of your Messiah!” ?
I know I saw that too and it brought tears to my eyes. It sure humbled Ron Wyatt like never before! It humbled me too knowing how much mercy and love that took that He would die for us. The Father’s love is soooo deep.
Also, in section 237 of the Pope’s Encyclical from June 2015 (http://m.vatican.va/content/francescomobile/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html), we can see one (of many) example(s) of the Vatican laying the groundwork for implementing ‘Sunday Law’:
237. On Sunday, our participation in the Eucharist has special importance. Sunday, like the Jewish Sabbath, is meant to be a day which heals our relationships with God, with ourselves, with others and with the world. Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, the “first day” of the new creation, whose first fruits are the Lord’s risen humanity, the pledge of the final transfiguration of all created reality. It also proclaims “man’s eternal rest in God”.[168] In this way, Christian spirituality incorporates the value of relaxation and festivity. We tend to demean contemplative rest as something unproductive and unnecessary, but this is to do away with the very thing which is most important about work: its meaning. We are called to include in our work a dimension of receptivity and gratuity, which is quite different from mere inactivity. Rather, it is another way of working, which forms part of our very essence. It protects human action from becoming empty activism; it also prevents that unfettered greed and sense of isolation which make us seek personal gain to the detriment of all else. The law of weekly rest forbade work on the seventh day, “so that your ox and your donkey may have rest, and the son of your maidservant, and the stranger, may be refreshed” (Ex 23:12). Rest opens our eyes to the larger picture and gives us renewed sensitivity to the rights of others. And so the day of rest, centred on the Eucharist, sheds it light on the whole week, and motivates us to greater concern for nature and the poor.
anna
anna
October 22, 2016 12:26 am
Yes, this is the separation of the wheat from the tares. There will only be two sides; those who obey and Follow the Commandments and they are called the Sabbath keepers and those that will follow Sunday/Sunday Law. They are the tares that He will throw into the lake of fire.
Pope is pushing for that law again now and just like in the past, those that oppose their Sunday will be hunted down.
the Pope is the False Prophet and he is one nasty Jesuit. Everything he tries to portray himself as is all for show and Jesuits have an oath and they hate God. Ever read this oath? Go check it out. ?
Oh, wow, Gary. Thanks for this and all of your contributions to this discussion. I just heard this morning upon waking. The end-time church will be RETURNING to their ROOTS.”
Amen, Peggy!
Yes, this is the separation of the wheat from the tares. There will only be two sides; those who obey and Follow the Commandments and they are called the Sabbath keepers and those that will follow Sunday/Sunday Law. They are the tares that He will throw into the lake of fire.
Pope is pushing for that law again now and just like in the past, those that oppose their Sunday will be hunted down.
the Pope is the False Prophet and he is one nasty Jesuit. Everything he tries to portray himself as is all for show and Jesuits have an oath and they hate God. Ever read this oath? Go check it out.
The sad part of it all and many have had dreams of this is that it will be those that chose Sunday and hated Sabbath keepers that will be turning them in for their slaughter. I didn’t get that dream but read many others dreams on this. So it will be Christians against Christians when it comes down to it more than non Christians after us.
There is a problem with your theory as to who is the wheat and who is the tares. It leaves out a third category of folks who don’t buy into the Catholic nonsense of first day Sabbath, but also do not feel compelled to keep Sabbath in regarding a certain day; they see N.T. reality of the Sabbath as resting in Jesus and his completed work. Paul taught it is OK for someone to esteem each day alike and for others to esteem one day above another (Romans 14:4-7). We have the liberty in Christ to view every day a Sabbath if we choose. Where does this third group fit into your theory?
your question does not make any sense and where did you come up with this so called “third group” and who are you saying they are Paul? If they don’t believe in Sabbath then they made the choice to “disbelieve” and they choose to do that. I can’t help them nor can anyone help them if they refuse to see or hear.
I asked God once what will take most people down in the end and He said “disbelief” and it is because they only believe in “parts” but not the Bible as a whole. It was sad hearing that. The Bible was written as a whole and not 2 separate entities so it must be taken as a whole.
I saw you believe everyday is sabbath rest and I suggest you read what Father has in the Word on that in Revelation 4:14-16 and I will just leave it at that.
I can’t help you any further Paul. You have a good day.
Anna;
The third group I am talking about are the non Torah obedient Gentiles found in the many portions of the Scriptures you selectively pretend are not there. For example the Jerusalem Counsel meeting in Acts 15 which took place to decide if the Gentile believers should be instructed to be circumcised and to keep the Law or not.
The decision was NOT. If the apostles had a mandate for the Gentiles to keep the Law of Moses they would have absolutely voiced it at this time. Their decree was that they had given ‘NO SUCH COMMANDMENT’! In order to promote your unscriptural belief that Christians are under the Law you must ignore a great deal of the N.T. teachings, because to acknowledge the truth of those sections of the Bible would destroy your wayward theory.
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
The decision of the apostles was that the Gentile believers WERE NOT required to keep the Law. You claim repeatedly in this thread to be a good Berean. I hope you are. Please prove it by reading Acts 15 and believing what is plainly taught there. Gentiles are not required to follow Torah.
Anna,
I agree. The entire WORD stands eternal in the heavens.
All of it is God breathed. Scripture tells us both of these things. I’ve explained about the Biblical Law of First Mention. The Sabbath was first mentioned in Genesis at Creation. Take all of the Scriptures about the Sabbath and a person will find it is close to God’s Heart. One cannot just pick out one or two statements by the Apostle Paul and take them as total justification without considering the Law of FIRST MENTION and all of the related Scriptures growing out of the POWERFUL meaning contained at the place of FIRST MENTION.
The Apostle Paul has made some statements about the Sabbath, and I certainly believe every word he writes, but we must take them in context of what he was trying to impart to new Believers. Take the Apostle Paul’s comments and statements in with the FULL COUNSEL of SCRIPTURE.
People should read the Word cover to cover for themselves and diligently ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the meaning that the original authors intended (through the Holy Spirit’s breath).
It would then become abundantly clear just how close the 7th Day Sabbath is to GOD’S HEART.
“And so the day of rest, CENTRED ON THE EUCHARIST,”
What? The Eucharist has to do with transubstantiation and has no basis in the Bible. Christ’s body doesn’t become alive over and over again as a Priest pronounces words over a wafer.
Hebrews 10:12-14 says:
12 But when Christ[b] had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
I totally respect and am grateful for Jesus’ Sacrifice, but I don’t believe the man-made doctrine of transubstantiation.
My husband attends a Catholic church and he knows my position on this, but I respect him if that’s what he chooses to do, just as he respects my ideas about God and Jesus.
I wouldn’t even bring any of this up, but we are in very critical times and folks are very much in danger of being deceived.
I don’t want to be deceived and I don’t want anyone else to be deceived if at all possible. I don’t bring this up to hurt or offend anyone, but I do know that all denominational walls will be falling down completely one of these days. All we will have left is the visible apostate church and the true Believers in the underground church. It’ll be like a final return to the Book of Acts.
People get ready!
No I am not a 7th Day Adventist but they keep the right day!
I was taken out of Sunday worship by the Holy Spirit himself. He taught me all about the pagan symbols, the steeples being the male organ, the false prophet, the antichrist, and everything.
I used to be Catholic and the Holy Spirit pulled me out of that too and then out of any Christian non denominational Sunday service.
Pope is the False Prophet. Look up Sunday Law and he is trying to enforce that now. Constantine changed Saturday to Sunday. Jesuits.
they hate God. Pope now on a role to unite all religions saying as long as you are good you get into the kingdom of God. What a lie that is! We have 45,000 different religions I believe it is and none can even get along with one another of the same let alone have a One World Religion but he is pushing this because it is the NEW WORLD ORDER.
I can’t find my answer to you on here; looks like James might have taken it off.
in answer to your question, no, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist.
The Holy Spirit took me out of Catholicism (my parents were Catholic and so I was for years). Holy Spirit also removed me from all SUN DAY churches.
He taught me about the “steeples” being pagan and a symbol of the male organ, taught me about Constantine and who changed His Sabbath to Sunday, Taught me about Sunday law and how many were slaughtered etc etc.
I asked several Pastors about Saturday vs Sunday and did you know they all told me “Well Saturday is the real day but we do Sunday” and I said “why would you do that when it’s forbidden?” and do you know each one of them said ‘it’s because noone would come to church if I told them the truth”. I was flabberghasted and said “did you read Revelation and what God will do to you for doing this?”.
My gosh, these people are nuts for misleading thousands of people and thinking that God’s wrath won’t be poured out on them when it will poured out double. They will pray for death and it shall not come.
Anna,
How very interesting that God revealed these things to you outside of a church doctrine! I have something to post regarding this topic later today, and it runs along some of the main lines that you mentioned.
I was raised in Protestant Churches, but have been recently led to some similar information. It will not be condemning, but possibly convicting, and each person will have to seek the Holy Spirit themselves regarding it.
I feel that this topic has been brought out here for a reason.
Anna,
Please see my information on the Sabbath below.
It is pretty long and is posted under one of “Paul’s” posts and dated October 21st.
I’m glad that this topic was brought up. It brings out some interesting points, especially the importance of searching the Scriptures FOR OURSELVES, being led by the Holy Spirit, and not blindly following man’s traditions, especially as the Holy Spirit leads us.
Peggy, I don’t see your information so where is it? LOL. Do I need to click on your name to see it?
Anna,
Here it is. I copied and pasted it from below. It’s fairly long!
Peggy A.
October 21, 2016 12:53 pm
Hello,
Here’s some more input on the SABBATH topic.
The Lord led me to this information through my Pastor (Pastor Groller).
Hopefully this will provide food for thought.
“All Scripture is God-breathed, so let the Spirit of God speak to you on how this affects you personally. The Word in its full counsel is the FINAL AUTHORITY.
God never disconnected us from our Hebraic roots. That was man’s idea to do so. We live in the age of grace, but the 10 Commandments have not been done away with. The thing that has changed is that we don’t follow the law to the point that they are our Salvation and not Jesus.
This is not a Salvation issue. The Sabbath doesn’t have to do with Salvation. [Note from Peggy: Please read everything here before jumping on any one sentence. Please read the full counsel of this message.]
Whether we should observe the Sabbath on the 7th day or not is a matter of discipleship, which matters to the heart of God. The Spirit of God is our Teacher, not any Pastor. The Pastor should function as one that opens the door for students of the Word to dig deeper into it.
Consider the “Biblical Law of First Mention.” The place of first mention gives the word its most complete and accurate meaning and provides a fuller foundation for its development in the later parts of the Bible.
Did God end the 7th day Sabbath? Was it only for a season?
This is not about winning an argument with man, but is about being right with God. We should seek to know God’s Heart on this subject.
First mention: Genesis 2:2-3 “By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.”
The Sabbath was established AT CREATION. It was meant for MAN, not just Israel. If sin had never come, we would still be honoring the Sabbath.
Exodus 16, before the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20, God instructed the people to gather enough manna on the 6th day to last fro the 7th day.
In Exodus 20, Commandment #4 was pre-existing from Creation, therefore the wording “REMEMBER the Sabbath.”
See also Isaiah 56:6-7; Matthew 5:17-19; 1 John 5:2.
See Isaiah 66:23 saying that from one Sabbath to another shall ALL FLESH come to worship before Me. This is prophetic about the Millennium. Also, Zechariah 14:16 refers to everyone celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles in the Millennium.
For 4,000 years before Christ, the Sabbath was definitely honored. Why would it be in our Gentile age that it suddenly wouldn’t matter anymore, only to be “re-instituted” by God in the Millennium?
Jesus kept the Sabbath as well as the disciples and all 1st generation apostolic Christians. Jesus was a Sabbath and Festival honoring Jew.
The separation happened when Gentile leadership got into the Gentile church and began separating Gentile Christians from their Hebraic roots. They began to mix paganism with truth. When you do that, you get paganism. A little leaven destroys the whole loaf. It was man that changed the Sabbath, and much was rooted in anti-Semitism. The truths of God were exchanged for the traditions of man. The Word of God was not in the hands of the people and therefore, it was easily altered.
March 7, 320 A.D. the Roman Emperor Constantine said, “On the venerable day of the sun, let the magistrate and the people residing in the cities rest, and let all work-shops be closed.” Church and state were one at that point, and from that day on, no one would come against that decision. Constantine made a world-wide religion. It then lost its roots and origins. My Pastor strongly believes that Jesus is not going to return until we resume back to those roots. “I am the vine and you are the branches. If you abide in Me, you will bear fruit.”
[Think about it, is the church bearing the fruit today that the Lord wants them to bear? WE are the answer to a fallen world and people that are sick, despondent, sad, and sorry.]
After this time, there was MAJOR persecution for anyone that observed the 7th day Sabbath. They could die for doing so.
In 325 A.D. Pope Silvester (Catholic convergence with Constantine) officially named Sunday “The Lord’s Day.” Three years later, the Bishop of Constantine wrote this: “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to do during the Sabbath, we have transferred to the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week.” MAN TRANSFERRED THIS. THE TRUTH OF GOD BECAME THE TRADITIONS OF MAN.
Questions and Answers from the Roman Catholic Church Doctrine:
Question: Why do we observe Sunday rather than Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday rather than Saturday because the Catholic Church at the Counsel of Laodicea in A.D. 336 transferred Saturday to Sunday.
Question: Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
Answer: We substitute Sunday for Saturday because Christ rose from the dead and the Holy Ghost descended on a Sunday (this second part has been refuted by archaeological findings and timelines.)
Question: By what authority does the church have to transfer the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?
Answer: The Church substituted the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday BY THE PLENTITUDE OF THE DIVINE POWER JESUS CHRIST BESTOWED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Now we should consider the Scripture in the Book of Revelation about the consequences of adding to the Book. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He certainly doesn’t have a secret mission with any one church where He tells them an inside track on Him changing His mind.
We need to be Bereans and to be in the Word. We can’t always just assume that because we’ve always done something a certain way that it is the correct way. The History of the 7 Churches shows us that there has been a lot of ebb and flow of Christian Churches throughout the ages.
The enemy said in the Garden, as he always will say, “Did God REALLY say that?”
We can be in great churches and have great leaders, but if we don’t read the Word for ourselves, we set ourselves up for deception. Be Bereans. Check on what is being taught. Go to the feeding trough for yourselves. The Holy Spirit is the true Teacher of the Church.
What if we started doing EVERYTHING the BOOK says?
Lord, give us BOLDNESS to want to know the FULL COUNSEL OF YOUR WORD!”
Additional info regarding the Sabbath. (Sabbath means REST.)-
“Sabbath is to be a God-centered and family centered day. It’s a day to spend extra time with God; to seek Him. WE’RE NOT EVEN TAUGHT THIS.Somehow, we think that we’re more Christian if we’re busy.
‘How are you?’ BUSY.
We have way too much sickness in the church.
Sickness= disease= Dis-Ease.
God asks a Sabbath Tithe of our week’s time and we’re not giving it to Him. It’s a known fact that 90% of all disease comes from stress as it’s root. We’re running around but not really accomplishing anything in the long run. Give Him the time He asks, or He’ll lay us down. We’ll do it God’s WAY!”
“No argument about what anyone hears from the Holy Spirit about this issue. Not telling anyone to change from Sunday Worship to Saturday.
Just be Bereans and listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying to you.”
Peggy’s note: Perhaps when the visible church becomes totally apostate and the true church goes underground, there will be a return to honoring the 7th Day Sabbath (and thus receiving more of God’s BLESSING) and Jewish Roots in the House Churches; Also a return to the signs, wonders, and miracles as in the Book of Acts with the Full Counsel of the Scripture being honored above all man-made traditions.
I agree with it all except when you say it is not a salvation issue because if Sabbath was instituted at creation which it was, then those that follow it would be SEALED on their foreheads that they are His. Right? It states that in Deuteronomy.
Those sealed as children of God must obey his commandments and that means you must be honoring the Sabbath because it is the 4th commandment. And God does not give us that as a suggestion but it is a command!
How would anyone be sealed for salvation otherwise? if one follows satans day of SUN DAY then aren’t they following idolatry/worshipping a false god? yes they are. It is a dangerous thing to walk with one foot in the world and one foot with God.
Just as God seals his kids on their forehead the imposter seeks to seal his kids with his mark too but keeping them in false god worship!
So the bottom line for Christians is to choose wisely and repent of it and return to what was instituted at creation, that Abraham followed, that Noah, Lot and the rest followed long before the tablets of stone were put forth.
Good words though and I had a ton of what the Catholic Church brags about on how they changed it from Saturday
to Sunday and how everyone follows them. 🙂 🙂 🙂
and Yes you are right everyone will be required to follow it during the 1,000 yrs and forevermore. There will be no more confusion in anyone’s mind because satan shall be chained then & Yeshua will rule with a rod of iron. 🙂
Hi Anna,
As I wrote this,I thought you would disagree with the one point that you mentioned. Well, perhaps you are right.
I will have to seek the Holy Spirit for myself on it. At any rate, I am so happy to be satisfied in a fellowship that does observe the 7th day.
Wow, I’m wondering what will happen with the majority of Christians worshiping on Sunday? The Seventh Day Adventists have the 7th Day correct, but they have “no hell,”
“soul sleep,” and “annihilation” very far off. Perhaps for a time before the Lord returns, the underground church will return to our Hebraic Roots. It’s possible, because all denominational differences will FALL AWAY.
the sad thing is that satan has tricked us all and we all, at one time, observed his day and Not our Beloved Messiah’s day.
I just recommend to all that are “unsure” right now if they should honor Sabbath and stop Sunday worship, to pray about it, and to remove themselves from all churches for the time being.
Just spend time alone with God himself and they need to just ask Him to show them; to develop that “closeness” so that they are not trapped by “being so busy in a church” that they don’t have time to seek and receive from God.
All I am saying is does it not make sense that if God seals his children in their foreheads that satan would seal his children on his day too? Thoughts to ponder tonight. 🙂
Notice the bands that ISIS soldiers wear? That is 666 on their foreheads so they are sealed to Allah or satan.
Anna;
So let me make sure I understand you here. You are saying that if someone does not observe the Saturday Sabbath they are not saved? That keeping Sabbath or not determines salvation?
There is not one passage in the N.T. that even suggests such a thing. Much to the contrary in fact.
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Romans 14:4-6
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Roman 3:28
You might want to reconsider your position there.
While I cannot speak for Anna. I do agree with most of what she has said.
As being Saved by Grace though faith we should do our best and strive to keep the commandments.
John 14:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Of course we cannot keep them perfectly, Only Jesus did that. That is why we have grace. We follow the law the best we can out of love for him. Observance of the law does not save us. However it is a form of works and as we have been told, Faith without works is dead. One cannot say that have been saved and continue to live in sin (Breaking the law) it is when we slip up or when we truly repent of what sin we have been in that we are covered by grace.
I can understand Anna’s views on what Paul Benson is saying (and I in no way mean any offence) because I personally do not agree with what is being said by Paul. I will not say that I or Anna have it all 100% figured out but neither should anyone else.
Nathan,
I truly believe you have totally “hit the nail on the head.”
BRAVO!
Right on
Amen right there!
Anna,
Well, I think that if Shepherds and/or Sheep are made aware of the truth and then choose not to be responsible for it, there could be consequences. I am not the judge of anyone, however, so I can’t say. God is the Perfect Judge.
Perhaps this is why many don’t want to be “Bereans” and search the full counsel of the Scriptures for themselves. They would then have the responsibility for having to go “against the crowd,” possibly losing family, “friends,” business contacts, etc. That certainly isn’t a pleasant thought, but it is all part of the CROSS, and it is most certainly not a “padded” CROSS.
The Truth is still the Truth, even if no one else believes it.
Yes and I am a Berean. God had me step out of the world and I did lose friends and family over it but you know what.. I did my part, I warned them out of love and if they don’t make it, then I told them not to blame God for that because God, out of his infinite love, sent people like me (and there are many of us) to step out on the front lines and take the hit.
So be it and I am happy to do it for him; He died for me and my life is His. That is why the narrow road is so narrow and few choose to walk on it.
the other one is soooooo much easier. I would rather walk the narrow road than the broad road. 🙂 🙂
Amen to all you said above, Anna!
here is a song for you Peggy. This is really nice and i think the type of melody you would enjoy:
“Comfort Ye My People” ~ Lamb ~ Joel Chernoff & Rick Coghill TLWIorTerrilynn 37,737 views
Anna,
Thanks so much for the song. It was beautiful. The piano is my major instrument, so yes, I liked the piano background, also the slow tempo and beautiful visuals. Best of all, I felt the Holy Spirit on me as I listened.
Here it is in case anyone wants to listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wZvpbBD75M
God Bless, Sweetie!
Anna,
Here’s a song for you and anyone else that wants to listen.
It was our concluding song at Shabbat (Sabbath) this evening. The Pastor tied it in beautifully with the lesson and the closing prayer. We sang our hearts out!
Song: “Adonai” (“LORD”) by Paul Wilbur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9P5q_xo2a0
i think you will enjoy this one too:
‘UNFAILING LOVE’ LAMB JOEL CHERNOFF -THE OFFICIAL CHANN
Thanks!
Are you saying you are no longer under the law? If so, then you are telling God you are sinless and perfect? Are you sinless and perfect?
Because SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.
WITHOUT LAW THERE IS NO SIN.
The only law put to death was the law of sin and death to make a way to him when Jesus died on the cross but the commandments were never changed!! Does God change? no, so how could it have changed?
Mosaic law were “ORDINANCES”. Ten Commandments were put INSIDE THE ARK, the Ordinances by Moses were put OUTSIDE OF THE ARK. (LOOK IT UP).
Ten Commandments were written by THE FINGER OF GOD HIMSELF.
Ordinances were written by Moses that God allowed because of people’s stubborn hearts and rebellions.
That is all I will say on this. Read the other reply I sent.
God Bless.
Paul wrote, we are no longer under the Law of sin and death but under the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. We are saved by grace and faith in Christ’s death, burial and resurrection but faith without works is dead and there are about 1050 commandments in the New Covenant. If we sin we should repent and confess it to Jesus our high priest, 1 John 1:8,9.
I gave two very good teachings on this and up to you to read it.
have a good evening.
If you love God then you will love and obey his commandments; it is that simple.
Anna;
If you want to observe Sabbath and keep the feast days etc. I respect that and have no problem with it. If you had read the article I listed you would know that. But to suggest that ALL Christians are REQUIRED to do so is not in accord with the truth of the Scriptures.The site you listed has some serious errors taught there. I speak in the gift of tongues he spends many pages rebuking and explaining away, (while purporting to be allowing for an occasional ‘biblical’ occurrence of such).
My sister, I think you could benefit greatly from spending some time in 2 Corinthians chapter 3..
Paul clearly taught the Law of Commandment written in stone was an administration of death, and that it was done away with to make place for something of more excellent glory. That is the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which writes the will of the Father upon the fleshly tables of our hearts. The Ten Commands were abolished, and then the moral intent of those commandments was reinstated INTERNALLY by the Holy Spirit sent to guide those who have embraced the work of the Cross. We keep God’s commandments by submitting to the leading of the Spirit, NOT by placing ourselves back under the administration of death.
Please consider the book of Galatians. Why it was written, and the danger of damnation Paul warned about over returning to a self-righteous observance of the Law. Paul said Christ had become of no effect unto them who had done so. Think about that.
May God give you the grace and liberty of spirit through New Covenant faith that the Old Covenant never could (or promised to) bring.
Paul Benson
I don’t know what tongues you speak in but it is not the Holy Spirit tongues of fire up in heaven.
The Holy Spirit would never teach you to ignore God’s commandments nor would He lie and say Jesus didn’t keep them because the Holy Spirit in us is Jesus. Jesus was very legalistic and followed all the Feast Days and never went against his Father.
Mark 2:27-28 – What Does The Sabbath Was Made For…
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/mark_2-27-28.html
MORE PROOF OF HOW WRONG YOU ARE AND IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS TEACHING ALSO TAKE IT UP WITH GOD, NOT ME.
NO MORE ANSWERS FROM ME AGAINST YOUR HATRED OF GOD’S COMMANDS.
I did NOT say Jesus did not keep Sabbath or the feasts. Of course he did, they were living under the Old Covenant, it would have been disobedience not to. What I said was the GENTILE believers were not required to keep it; and there is no indication the apostles ever told them to. PERIOD.
TheTenCommandments.org site is full of deception. I would be very skeptical of anything written there..
I speak with other tongues because the LORD filled me with the HOly Ghost when I was saved. It is very dangerous to speak against the Holy Spirit and call tongues of the devil. I would recommend yuou be careful there.
Be at peace;
Paul
Anna dear, you must try not to shout…it doesn’t help 🙂
I was not shouting; I sometimes just keep caps on but it means nothing. Does not mean I am yelling lol.
I just don’t think of taking it off caps. Sorry about that.
You seem angry?
why would you even think that or say that? I am not mad at all. I am seeing that Paul is in enmity with God because anyone who goes against His Commandments is still fighting with God. That is an issue he needs to address with God. People that follow God have no issues with going against his commandments at all.
Do you think we are all to please Paul or something? Just wondering. Are you good friends with him?
No I don’t know him but I recognize the Spirit which he possesses. I was just reading the conversation and I recalled the scripture that says to avoid contentions and strivings about the law for they are unprofitable and vain. I’m sorry, maybe I shouldn’t have posted but I also recognize a spirit of contention. My thoughts were toward people young in the faith who might be turned off by the direction of this conversation.
Okay but I have not written to him except this one thing tonight and you asked if I was angry. I am not. I only posted proof of the Ten Commandments not being abolished just now. That was all.
I follow and obey the commandments because I personally love God more than anything else in this world.
Peace
CORRECTION FOR ALL: if people have an issue with following the commandments and find them grievous or burdensome, then they need to address that issue with God himself.
People that follow God have no issues with following the Ten Commandments because they are not burdensome nor grievous and were put in place so that we could be blessed.
I simply posted you all proof and facts that the commandments were never abolished. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath so would he take himself out of that equation and say He didn’t establish that day as Worship day?
Just as satan can’t go against himself neither can Jesus. I am not angry at anyone but if you are angry with me then you are truly angry at the information and proof given. Please take it up with your heavenly Father. Thank you. God Bless you.
I am new to this site and been wondering why I’m lead here. I go to church to praise God and let me tell you he is alive no matter what day you go! I am in tears as the Holy Spirit moves me in worship of him who created me! I am not there thinking I may burn in hell for going to worship the Lord on the wrong day. As believers in Jesus Christ we need to be in the world but not of it!
I am a living example of Christ at work, at home, at church any day of the week. I do believe we need to spend more time showing the love of Christ to everyone and it is not always easy to do. Only through Christ can we draw this kind of strength.
There are many people following false religions because it is just that religion. We are followers of Jesus Christ! It is relationship and are you a fan or a follower?
I work with a man that is still an ordained Catholic priest and we have many talks not argument. He still goes to his church but he does not stand behind a lot of what they are now teaching. He is praying and watching. Frankly I told him I would have left already. I don’t push we talk over scripture and I try and show a light. The Holy Spirit does the rest not me. I am a very passionate person myself and can get caught up in it. It has pushed people away over the years. I want people to be drawn to God because of the life I am living for him. I am going to end stronger than I ever started for Jesus!
These days ahead are getting more difficult for the body of Christ. Now is the time to pull together like never before. I believe the fire of the Holy Spirit will move more now than ever before. I will pull closer to a God daily. I’m going to be an example for Christ everyday no matter where I go including church. I’m going to stand in agreement for each one of you as well. May God Bless everyone of you and may your lives be a living example of Jesus in each of your communities. God Bless You All!
Tammy, I, too, used to go to Sunday church. I mentioned on here I was a Catholic for years and years. Father moved me away from it. I also went to non denominational churches too and each time the Holy Spirit removed me from them. I think maybe you were led to this site because the Holy Spirit is showing you that you might want to rethink going to Sunday church because this is of the false god of the earth. This is following a false religion Tammy because it is following the Vatican’s teachings/pope. We, as Christians, should not be doing that. It took me several years to make the change myself and I am not here to condemn anyone but to show the difference and to warn.
I sincerely believe that Father was drawing you to this site because He wants you to learn about the Sabbath.
He loves you, He loves me, He loves us all and the truth does set us free! Following the SUN DAY is actually bondage and I wanted liberty from it. There are many blessings with following the correct day. I also wanted the blessings He had for me.
The Holy Spirit had me teach/warn on this for years on FB and to show how deceived we have all been. I was never made at people that showed me things to ponder too but I would get really angry at satan for the lies that he led me to believe. Then I got mad at myself for following blindly without researching it just because my mom was Catholic, my friends were too. I was a puppet following them there just because it was done for generations in my family. I was blinded then too. My mom actually repented to God for this and she died a few months later. I was so happy to see that!
I wish for all to make it to the city of God and dance on the streets of gold but I am also called to be a Watchman and as such we have to give, at times, a little bit of “tough love” because people do not listen if you aren’t showing them how serious this is.
So I pray you ask the Holy Spirit if He led you to show you that He wanted you to learn of the Sabbath. You see, what I learned from God is that none of this is a mistake. I knew nothing of this site and He wanted me on it, He had people here that He wanted them to see and He sends me. I just trust and obey and do it.
He has led me to a person on the street at times, or in a store.
So instead of looking at it in a negative way, look at it in the way that Father loves you that much and He wanted you to learn more. It is how we all grow.
Much love and don’t you think it breaks my heart when people reject His truth? It does and it is hard calling I am under also and I get whipped a lot for it. My own family too but they are still stubborn and stiffnecked and will suffer greatly for it. My job with them is done if they won’t listen but it is very sad. I have said it nicely, sweetly, proved things to them, discussed, begged, cried and got a little stern with them and then I was done. I did the best I could and really truly gave it my all. I am passionate about this because I wish none to perish either!!
At one time I was satan’s right hand girl and a heathen in many ways and when I repented and God called me Satan has tried to kill me several times. I have been through a lot but I will keep on this narrow road no matter what!
peace and love to you. Talk to the Holy Spirit and ask him what He wanted you to see on here. 🙂
Perhaps a big part of the awareness of the 4th Commandment is that, as Anna says, the Pope will make Sunday Worship mandatory. For those that are aware of the GOD-ORDAINED 7th Day as the Day of Rest (not the man-ordained 1st Day) since CREATION, they will definitely not fall as easily into the deception of the One World Religion.
Mandatory Sunday Worship will stand out as a HUGE RED FLAG to those that are aware of God’s Word on this topic, and they will not be deceived.
All I know Peggy is that we are that close to many changes in our nation and everyone will be getting tested like never before and people will have to draw a line in the sand on which side they are.
I also believe things will happen in succession and it won’t be one bad thing and a few months later another but it will happen so rapidly that when you think you could recover from one the next one will be upon us. I do know God does things fast!! He has shown me that in stuff He brought to me. I couldn’t believe how fast He does things.
countdown now 16 days til election. things are about to get very interesting for sure.
Amen, Anna. There’s much confirmation from respected prophetic sources on what you’ve said, particularly about the rapid succession of events. We need to get ready now. When everything starts, there probably won’t be much time to even think. (You don’t learn to swim as the Titanic is sinking).
And here’s a confirmation to what I just typed in parenthesis above. After typing it, I looked up Pastor Benjamin Faircloth’s Sunday message for today. The title that the Lord gave him for today’s message is none other than: USS TITANIC.
Peggy you are absolutely spot on! It’s so great to see that more people are aware of this crucial issue. My church has always taught that the mark of the beast is the mandatory enforcement by the Vatican/RC church of Sunday worship and that apostate Protestantism will actually lend its support to the pope when that time comes! God bless you for spreading much needed truths!
Natalie,
It’s heartening to know that there are actually churches that are teaching truth relevant to the times!
Thank you for your kind words. I am praying for wisdom daily. I have learned a few things about our government and have started to prepare our home. It was after a dream I had that intruders came in with guns and I had a gun but no bullets for it. God spoke to my heart and told me to prepare.
I also know from Friday pm till Saturday pm I’m at peace. I look forward to those times each week. I am studying on things and asking God to guide me. Thanks to all of you for your comments on this site it is very helpful.
I had a dream about breaking into the house too but in mine, it was a huge brown bear (massive) and at first, he could not get in but kept at it and smashed the whole door in. I use deadbolts so it is harder to break into houses with those. Anyway, I was trying to get to a gun in this dream and it was too far away and so I hid in the laundry room. I heard the refrigerator door open and everything being yanked out and spilling and crashing to the floor. Then in a bedroom in the dream there was food in it and the bear went in there and started gorging himself and as he did, I got out the back door and ran and hid at a neighbor’s house.
then, I heard a car coming down the road to my house and saw a man with a rifle stopping because he saw the door was smashed in and he was heading into the house to shoot. Then I woke up.
INTERPRETATION; bear represented the strength that people that will travel in packs will have to steal food and they will get in.
of course, if I was hiding I would not have been able to see the man in the car with rifle but in dreams you can see that. This represented the man I rented from who was coming to my aid to kill those that entered in.
you are not alone in this dreams and many share those kind of dreams. They are scary for sure. When you have people starving they will kill anyone for food. They won’t care about your tv, money or anything else but food and water and if you have no food, you might just become their meal. Cannibalism will be rampant in these days.
You are very welcome and thanks for sharing your dream; get your provisions now. Time is really running out to acquire necessities.
Woe, Anna. That was quite a dream.
Hello Anna! I have been carefully reading all your posts and I must say I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments concerning the Sabbath. I’ve been brought up as a Seventh Day Adventist and as I’ve grown older (and wiser lol) I have learned the importance of keeping the Sabbath and that this will be the main point of contention in these last days.
I will share a story with you. I was at work a couple of weeks ago and there was a client waiting in the reception area because his lawyer had not finished compiling advice for him. Normally clients leave as soon as their meeting with the lawyers is over otherwise they wait in the meeting room. I was very surprised at how the conversation between me and the client developed to him randomly telling me that although he is a Pentecostal, he has always struggled with the issue of the Sabbath and has always felt very strongly that God requires him to worship on Saturday. I truly believe God arranged things so that me and that man could have that very conversation.
I encouraged him that he is correct about the Sabbath and I am sure that man will remember our conversation in the days to come, I’ve got no doubt that God will continue to work in his life to cause him to come out of Babylon! Anna be encouraged that you’re not alone on this issue. If people do not agree with what you believe then that is ok. You have done your part to enlighten and bring awareness of the truth and that is all that you can do. God will do the rest. He knows those whose hearts are open and truly seeking to know His truth in its entirety. Much love and blessings to you my sister in Christ!
Thank you for the encouragement and seriously, it will come down to those that will honor The Sabbath and those that will honor SUN day.
People have free will to choose and we can do nothing about that.
All i know is in the Bible it states in the millennium everyone that makes it will be honoring the Sabbath.
So thank you and yes, I do think the Holy Spirit orchestrated that meeting. I have had stuff like that happen to me on occasion too.
God Bless You and love to you as well.
“For it seemed good to the HOLY SPIRIT , and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 1) abstain from things offered to idols. 2) From blood. 3) from things strangled. 4)From sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell”. Acts 15: 28, 29. These are the 4 things from the law that Paul, Peter and the others told the new Gentile believers to keep. The other believers–who were Jewish, wanted them to keep the entire law. The final agreement was that they keep these 4.
Tammy Larson,
Thank you for your wisdom and expression of love. Please know that I am not critiquing you, I just felt this was the best place to jump into this conversation.
Neville Johnson has been teaching lately that we need to keep ‘The Main Thing, The Main Thing’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWy5UvYZB-0 What is The Main Thing? We need to CONFORM TO THE IMAGE OF JESUS. (We also need to remember that Jesus is LOVE) Our beliefs need to be built on a solid foundation. I have been told lately, by the Holy Spirit, that – “THERE SHALL BE NO COMPROMISE.” The most important thing is that we value TRUTH at all costs. THERE SHALL BE NO COMPROMISE in our belief system. NONE AT ALL. 2 Th 2:10b-12 tells us, -“because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12. that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (We can see the grave danger of false religions. We must guard our minds and not allow ANY untruth in.) We must STAND FOR TRUTH at all costs, but we must stand in Love. We know there is GREAT deception coming. So great that without God’s Mercy we will ALL be deceived. Don’t let someone else tell you what is true. Don’t trust anyone but GOD to tell you what is truth. John 8:3b-32 “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
B Hansen thank you. I agree with what you wrote. I have been praying to hear God daily. I was raised a Pentecostal and I read my Bible daily and have since I was a teenager. As I grow older I now have seen how God has talked to me as I was reading. I also see how the evil in religion is taking place. There is much demonic activity taking over this country and people think it’s fun. I tell people at work if you let him in he will come. It is not a joke. I see the evil in many chruches including Calothlic church. Our church says we go on Sundays to honor Jesus Christ resurrection. I try to live everyday as it is on to God. He is my life.
Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV)
Christ Fulfills the Law
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
The Greek word for “fulfill” is plero, to satisfy, execute, finish, end, make complete, and cause to expire. It is translated “fulfilled” in connection with the many prophesies which came to an end when they were fulfilled.
We are not saved by keeping the Law but faith without works is dead and we shouldn’t be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our mind as we read the Word of God.
For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
what does that mean? Has heaven and earth passed away? No they have not so it is not finished (fulfilled) yet.
we are saved by faith but faith without works is dead faith and that part is true. I am not going to get into it but Jesus kept the law and if He kept it then it should be good enough for you to also.
He was as legalistic as you can get, he was a judaizer because he was Jewish. I follow the Master only as did all those that learned from him.
God Bless and all will soon see the Messiah!
Paul, I am in agreement with you and frankly, Anna, I find your aggression offensive. You are not talking to a pagan group of worldly sinners here and your tone is doing much more damage than you may think. I just bet almost all that are reading this have been on their own heartfelt journey about the Sabbath as is evidenced by the thought provoking answers. Just food for thought.
I think Anna’s okay. She is just passionate about being obedient to God’s heart. I think as we grow in our walks, we desire to truly know the Word for ourselves and to know God’s Heart more and more.
I believe Anna felt like she was very alone in having little support for her heartfelt conviction both in the real world and on here. That made her feel very frustrated to the point of coming on strongly.
That’s okay. She has brought out some important points.
Peggy, to call Paul a false teacher with all caps is offensive to me, PAUL IS CERTAINLY NOT A FALSE TEACHER and ALWAYS uses scripture. Can any one of us misinterpret the Bible on either side of an issue? Yes!! But just like the rapture argument that has taken place several times; both sides use scripture and there is no reason to get ugly. I think it if fine to use passion and I applaud that but I for one am less apt to listen when it gets aggressive. Now, that being said I have not worshiped at a Sunday church for many years and if there was an alive, Holy Spirit filled church that worshiped on Saturday any where near me I would be ecstatic and choose that!!! I believe there is a certain type of healing and blessing, like Francine said, in keeping the true Sabbath Holy and I also think that the one world religion very well MAY be linked to Sunday worship but through my study of the writings of Paul do not believe it is tied to salvation in any way. Shalom.
Let’s be clear so that those casually reading this comment understand:
1.)The first “Paul” refers to “Paul Benson”— one that makes comments here
2.) Anna, not me, called “Paul Benson” a false teacher in CAPS.
3.) The last word “Paul” means the Apostle Paul.
I tend to agree with you that Salvation is not linked to observance of the 7th day Sabbath. BUT, that is for each person to seek the Holy Spirit for themselves.
Lol Peggy and thank you for all 3 of your needed clarifications!!! I think this discussion does need to take place but I stand by the fact that such a level of aggression is NOT needed or helpful!! Anyone following z3 knows that Paul Benson is conscientious in what he says. Again, I don’t disagree with a lot of the content in what Anna has shared although I do not think I have been led to think someone will go to hell for not keeping the Saturday Sabbath but I have sought answers to all that has been discussed. I find myself worshiping and studying pretty much every waking moment that I possibly can!!! Blessings.
Amen. The time is so short we need to FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS. Since I’m retired, I have the opportunity to try to spend as much time as possible as you say, “worshiping and studying” (and LISTENING to that still small voice).
Nothing else matters.
Hi Tammy,
Paul wrote: “I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, ‘You shall not covet’” (Romans 7:7). Paul was quoting the tenth commandment.” Then, in Ephesians 6:1-3, Paul was quoting the fifth commandment. James quoted the sixth and seventh commandments(James 2:11,12). John warned to keep yourselves from idols” , not breaking the 2nd commandment (1 John 5:21)… The 10 commandments are very alive in the new testament.
None will be saved by their own capacity to follow the law, none. We all need the sacrifice of Yeshua. Therefore, i believe that none will go to hell for the sin of not keeping Sabbath, like any other sins related to the 10 commandments.
Where I have the fear of God, it is when someone know the truth and willfully keep sinning. There are many verses that will say that sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God. One in Revelation 21:8 – Among those who finally end up in “the lake of fire” are “murderers” (6th commandment), whoremongers (7th commandment), “idolaters” (2nd commandment), and “all liars” (9th commandment).
When it comes to willfully refusing to keep any of the 10 commandments, including Sabbath, after understanding the value in God’s eyes, it is a position that I do not want for me.
This is why, i pray for the grace of God to keep all of them. And as I am serious about it, even when I fall, God brings me up again and in the end, will welcome me in His Kingdom.
Truth is harsh and people hate truth. I wasn’t being aggressive at all and if you saw that, then maybe you are used to getting the pleasing gospel in the fake church systems of today, that don’t preach hard truth. I don’t know but when I was learning I always found it refreshing someone was not just trying to please me and tickle my ears. Truth is truth and it is not easy to take when one finds out they have been following blindly and in idolatry in Sunday worship.
I used to go to Sunday worship for years myself til the truth set me free.
Tammy, if you follow SUN DAY, then it is pagan and of the god of the world so it is wordly.
I didn’t write the Bible Tammy. God did. Ask him if you are in pagan worship and let him advise you.
And we are all sinners no matter what. We were born in sin. Just a fact of life.
beautiful example of expounding the scriptures and giving gentle correction
Lydia;
Thanks for the affirmation.
It makes me so sad to see how many refuse to set aside the letter of the Law, and accept the liberty we have in Christ’s work on our behalf. The power of God’s grace in us sets us free to obey God in a strength not our own. What a tremendous gift that God not only paid the price to free us from the curse of the Law, but that he took the moral requirements of his Law, and through the power of his Spirit, wrote his will upon our hearts; along with that grace to do his will. Coming out from under the Law does not make us lawless, it makes us conquerors. Praise God!
I agree with you Anna. The 10 commandments were before Moses.The Sabbath points us to our Creator.Sunday is pagan and points to Roman Catholicism. This will be a test in the end as to whom do we serve.
Joyce, the laws given to the Jews were replaced with the New Covenant of grace and faith. There are over 1050 commandments in the N.T. including all the ten commandments except keeping the Sabbath on the sixth day of the week.. Christians may celebrate the Lord any or all the days of the week but we are not saved by keeping the law.
Exactly! AMEN and thank you for backing this up and standing for God!
This testing is for all Christians but especially the lukewarm ones. Whom will they choose?
The Bible states only those that endure til the end shall be saved!
a line from the Holy Spirit given to Matt Smith says it right here:
If you think you are saved, and you have not kept My commandments, on that great and dreadful day, you will find out how saved you are.”
“17Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-20).
The Old Covenant concealed is the New Covenant revealed!
We need the FULL COUNSEL of the Scriptures!
We are not saved by keeping the law but after we are truly saved our heart is to keep the law, be led by the Holy Spirit and let Jesus live His life through us, not to be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds through reading of the Word.
And the word “fulfill” does not mean finished like the false teachers taught them.
you have to go to concordance and to the Hebrew.
Fulfill means “to expound on; to establish”.
this is how satan has cleverly deceived millions into the false belief system. Ah, how satan deceived them in the garden he is still doing it today!!
hugs
Very interesting insight into the word “fulfill.”
It’s amazing how a study of the original Greek for the New Testament or original Hebrew for the Old Testament brings such unexpected and important insight!
Anna;
You have made a couple of errors here sister. And therefor your comment is quite misleading!
1. the words of our LORD were written in Greek. An honest mistake I am sure.
2. The GREEK word πληρόω (G4137) translated as ‘fulfil’ in Matt. 5:17 has over 20 possible uses including:satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: – accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach.
The OLD Law wasfulfilled and set aside to make way for a better hope in Christ. The priesthood to whom the Law was given does not even exist any more. We have a NEW priesthood and a NEW Law!
Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
May the LORD bless you with a revelation of the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.
You don’t stop do you? actually Jesus was Aramaic and to understand Him you have to go to his language and to Hebrew.
Good bye now.
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Paul,
You are a good friend to me… so I hope you don’t mind me weighing in, ……
Matthew 5:17-20 seals this whole debate for me. Yeshua talks in this scripture….
Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So in that paragraph you have a couple confirming statements…
1. The law is established. Yeshua didn’t come to destroy the law 2. The law is ongoing. 3. Those who teach others not to obey the law will be called least in the kingdom.
Yes, we are not saved by the law, but we are certainly expected to keep the instructions.
Paul kept the law- Acts 25:8
Paul made sure that others knew He held the law in high regard. Acts 21:20-24
What was nailed to the cross? The penalty of the law…not the law itself. Romans 3:28-31
The early Christians kept the law, and the sabbath. There are countless scriptures that talk about being blessed for keeping the instructions.
Well said Meranda
Right on! That’s good Bible.
I love the order of Melchisedec! Its the best!
Anna,
I particularly like this portion of your comment above:
“Mosaic law were “ORDINANCES”. Ten Commandments were put INSIDE THE ARK, the Ordinances by Moses were put OUTSIDE OF THE ARK. (LOOK IT UP).
Ten Commandments were written by THE FINGER OF GOD HIMSELF.
Ordinances were written by Moses that God allowed because of people’s stubborn hearts and rebellions.”
I have also thought of that when a person recently told me that the Holy Spirit would NEVER bring to mind the 10 Commandments. I just shook my head and exactly what you have written above came to mind. The person’s statement is a result of hyper-Grace teaching, I believe.
In addition, we can’t ignore the fact that the Ark of the Covenant in the Tabernacle of Moses was a earthly replica of the Ark of the Covenant that exists in the TEMPLE OF GOD IN HEAVEN. Wow. How can a person ignore that?
“And the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail” (Revelation 11:19).
How refreshing to see one person on here that “gets it” T and has done her homework! That made me smile.
Hugs
Peggy;
The comment you quoted has two serious flaws to it.
The first is a separation of the Law of God and the supposed ‘ordinances’ of Moses. God did not just ‘allow’ Moses to make up ordinances ‘because of stubborn hearts’. God DICTATED those laws to Moses, with a purpose in mind of showing mankind their inability to keep HIS LAW; and thereby recognize their need for a Savior. They originated in God, NOT in Moses. They are just as much the Law of God as the Laws engraved in the stones.
Second in erroneously separating the two a false reasoning is fostered which says the Ten Commandments were not also set aside along with the law of Moses, but the Scripture clearly and plainly states they were! If we say we receive the full counsel of God we must accept what Paul wrote here as absolute truth and not disregard it.
… our sufficiency is of God; :6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: :8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 2Corinthians 3:5-11
The Bible clearly states the Ten Commandment were set aside by the New Covenant in Christ. You can believe that or reject it; that is your choice. Failing to understand this skews our understanding of what was done for us in Christ. We are not lawless as believers; but the law we follow is not the letter of the O.T. Law, but the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. LOVE not LEGALISM. I think you understand this but are possibly being a little distracted by those who do not understand our liberty in Jesus Christ.
Please do not be offended. I speak this at the leading of the Holy Spirit.
May great grace and peace be upon you.
Paul Benson
Having a foundation of the eternal 10 Commandments can do absolutely no harm, but only helpfulness. The foundation does not have to rest in “legalism.” The foundation serves at a “checks and balances” reference for what we hear from the Holy Spirit. What we hear must always line up with Scripture and to me the 10 Commandments are a true and sure foundation written by the very finger of God!
Also, my understanding of the awesome 10 Commandments in no way skews my understanding of what was done for me in Christ. Believe me, I delve into that deeply on a daily basis, often times for much of the day. I am in total worship of what was done for all humanity in the biggest legal transaction of all time on the CROSS OF JESUS CHRIST.
Again Paul, you don’t have any understanding and here is more proof: I thought you were misled but I am seeing that you are in enmity with God all the way. So you want everyone else to not believe or follow or obey the Commandments: Here is more PROOF of your ERRORS:
The Purpose and Meaning of the Ten Commandments
Before looking at the purpose and meaning of these Ten magnificent laws of love, it should be noted that there really is only ONE passage we need to know that demonstrates the unchanging, eternal nature of ALL the Ten Commandments. Matthew 5:17-18 reads, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth Pass, one jot or one tittle shall in No Wise Pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.” See verses from the NIRV Bible and the CEV Bible and Luke’s account. Those unfortunate Christians that have been led astray by the ruler of this world have only one response to attempt to nullify this verse, which is that Jesus fulfilling the law brings an end to the law. The NIRV explains the meaning of fulfil in these words, “I have come to give full meaning to what is written” and the CEV reads, “I did not come to do away with them, but to give them their full meaning.” There are several scriptures that use the same Greek word as what is translated “fulfil” in verse 17, and Matthew 3:15 is one example, “…it becometh us to Fulfil all righteousness.” If the fulfilling of the law brings an end to the law, then Righteousness, God’s Word, Obedience, Joy and other things eternal in nature are also gone. This of course is obviously not so, and so neither are the Ten Commandments abolished. Not only that but who could ever think that Jesus was abolishing the law after instructing us that we should not only obey the law but teach it as well. Put simply, unless Jesus is contradicting His Word, and Heaven and Earth are still here, then All Ten Commandments have to remain including the fourth Commandment. It is that simple!
Isaiah 42:21 says “The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.” In the remainder of Matthew chapter five we see how Jesus has indeed magnified the law. We note the following; Matthew 5:19 from not only obeying the law but teaching it also, 5:21-22 from do not kill to not being angry with your brother without cause, 5:27-28 from do not commit adultery to being guilty if you look at a woman lustfully, 5:31 from divorcing by a letter to any man who divorces his wife except for sexual immorality, causes her or anyone who marries a divorced woman to commit adultery, 5:33-37 from not breaking oaths made to the Lord to do not swear at all, either by heaven or earth or by Jerusalem. And do not swear by your head, let your Yes be Yes, and your No, No, 5:38-42 from an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth to turning the other cheek and if someone sues you for your coat, give them your cloak also, 5:43-45 from love your neighbour and hate your enemy to love your enemies and bless them that curse you and pray for those that are spiteful and use you. Does it sound like Jesus is destroying the law? Certainly not!
The purpose of the Ten Commandments is to point out sin as Paul informs us in Romans 7:7 and note Paul is expressing this long after the cross
Anna;
The Scriptures clearly state the Law was put away to facilitate the bringing in of a better way.
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Hebrews 7:18-19
We do not draw near to God by keeping the Law, but through faith in the work of the Cross.
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Galatians 3:10
Do you keep the whole law?
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
Those who truly LOVE AND WANT TO FOLLOW God don’t have any issues with the Law. It is a moral compass to live our lives by.
You are nowhere near following the cross when you transgress God’s Laws. You also have no faith since you live in disbelief of God’s eternal law that even Abraham followed, yet there were no tablets yet. So how did he know to do that?
First of all you do not understand Galatians at all, secondly what is sin? Sin is transgression of the law so those people are under the curse. People that follow God’s eternal law which will continue if you even know Revelation well into the millennium and forever are always blessed.
you curse yourself when you transgress God’s laws. Don’t bother answering this because I see you have zero understanding. You are still in enmity with God and that is something you need to deal with solely with Him. I can’t help you with that.
God Bless
69 Verses alone in NT alone that say in one way or another “if you LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”. He didn’t suggest you do or don’t do it. Right there, you see it is a command.
In His eyes, if you love him, you do it. If you do not love him, you will refuse to do it.
We obey the commandments and follow not out of fear but simply out of love for our Creator. It is the only commandment satan hates because it points to God as creator and he wants to be God. No other commandment has ever pointed solely to God being Creator.
Take it up with him. i am done here.
READ Meranda’s answer down below. you don’t understand what it means. Penalty of the law was nailed to the curse , not the actual law.
Paul,
You probably don’t need any encouragement, but you are on the right track. Hang in there.
Gal, 4:28-31 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Best,
Hugh
Sister Anna, there were two brothers in the bible, they both knew what the LAW required of them. And they both fulfilled the letter of the LAW.
These two were Cain and Able, They both built an altar and they both made their sacrifice. Yet only one of them had the revelation that it required blood.
Cain’s was rejected and not accepted by God, even though he had followed the letter of the LAW.
This is exactly what you are doing.
We will look at the 6th commandment for a minute. Thou shall not murder.
You could keep this one commandment for your whole life and still miss the Lord Jesus by a million miles on this one commandment alone.
For Jesus said, Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 † But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
So Jesus compounded the 6th commandment, so just keeping the law would not fulfill the requirement any longer.
Now let us look at the 7th commandment, Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Again you could keep this to the letter and miss Jesus by a million miles.
For Jesus said, to even look at a woman to lust after her, you have committed adultery with her already.
So now let us look at the 4th commandment. You say that those that keep Saturday are the only ones that God will save. That keeping Sunday is the mark of the beast.
Again, I will tell you that you could keep Saturday all of your life and miss Jesus by a million miles.
For again Jesus multiplied it.
He said, Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
It wasn’t to be on one certain day, but it was to be every day, we are to cease from our work and let Him work through us.
If you wish to continue to keep a set of laws, then that is your choice. But you should know that keeping the letter of the law will always KILL, period. For it is by the Spirit that Revelation comes and Revelation is the only thing that will bring life.
God Bless
Meranda Devan
Meranda Devan
November 3, 2016 3:34 am
Paul,
You are a good friend to me… so I hope you don’t mind me weighing in, ……
Matthew 5:17-20 seals this whole debate for me. Yeshua talks in this scripture….
Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So in that paragraph you have a couple confirming statements…
1. The law is established. Yeshua didn’t come to destroy the law 2. The law is ongoing. 3. Those who teach others not to obey the law will be called least in the kingdom.
Yes, we are not saved by the law, but we are certainly expected to keep the instructions.
Paul kept the law- Acts 25:8
Paul made sure that others knew He held the law in high regard. Acts 21:20-24
What was nailed to the cross? The penalty of the law…not the law itself. Romans 3:28-31
The early Christians kept the law, and the sabbath. There are countless scriptures that talk about being blessed for keeping the instructions.
“The Father is Searching for You” through JEFF BYERLY (Z3 Author)
[Comment from Peggy: Wow. Following the COMMANDMENTS is repeated throughout this message!]
A message from the Father:
Children it’s getting very dark outside in the world and I am calling you. You’ve been playing outside in the world for too long, it’s time to come in to The Father’s house. There is safety and comfort here and the evil ones who seek to destroy you cannot touch you here. Why have you let your lamps go out? Come to me and I will give you fresh oil for your lamps! If you wait any longer the darkness will envelope you and you will not see your way back to me.
There is a false light that is burning ever brighter. Soon it will shine so brightly that it will seem to be My Son, your savior Jesus. If you are closer to the false light than to Me, you will go to that light and not to Me.
My voice is still and small, though I AM the creator of everything including you. I have nothing to prove. Please quiet yourself and hear My voice. I will never scream and yell at you like the enemy.
When you hear My voice you will have peace in your spirit, and rivers of living water flow from your innermost being.
I love you more than you can ever know, please don’t reject me.
Your enemy Satan or the devil, who was once called Lucifer, has told so many lies about Me that most of you don’t know what to believe anymore. He is the father of all lies and there was no evil before him. He is the cause of the horrible things that happen on the this earth, I made everything perfect before he caused man to sin. Sin brought death into the world, before this, nothing died. Man was in perfect communion with me and we walked together in the garden in the cool of the evening. Man knew only life and light and even glowed with my glory. There was perfect peace on earth and even the animals were in harmony with each other and man. Vegetation just grew and there was no need for plowing and sowing – just pick and eat. This is the world that I wanted for all of you!
As the remedy for sin and death, I sent My Son Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach, to die for your sin, He and I are one. You don’t have to die spiritually, I offer you everlasting life once again, as it was in the beginning. Accept My sacrifice, follow Me with all of your heart and I will help you overcome your sin. Once you really know Me you won’t want to go against My commandments. My commandments are all for your good and I give you My Holy Spirit to lead and guide you into all truth. If you are truly following My Spirit you will automatically follow My commandments without even thinking about them. If you make a mistake, just ask for forgiveness and I will forgive you immediately, if you mean it with all of your heart. I AM who judges the heart!
Those who say they follow Me but love to stay in their fleshly, sinful ways are not Mine and I will say to them depart from Me you never knew Me. When you know Me you will love Me and My commandments and they will not be difficult to follow. You will have love for Me and for your fellow man and you will not do things just to be seen by man.
I tell you My love is inside of all those who are Mine. Those who call themselves by My name yet commit evil abominations will be punished more severely than anyone else. The church that claims to worship Me, but actually worships Lucifer the fallen one who is Satan, your true dark and evil ways will be brought into the light before everything is said and done. You have given Me a bad name for long enough!
Child, I am searching for you now, please come back to Me. You are on the threshold of the darkest time that the earth has ever known. I have to allow terrible things to happen to this world because of the abundance of sin on the earth. All will be shown that this is the last chance to get to know Me. I invite you now to seek protection and peace in My secret place where the enemy cannot come.
Let me hug you and tell you how much I love you!
I will never force you.
Please come now!
I plead with you!
Your Loving Daddy God
This is just so beautiful! I just love Him so much! And if only people could see how much Jesus has cried over us all and how much He wants us home with him again. Thank you for sending and I will share with my family hoping that their eyes and ears are open to see and hear.
what is your email Peggy? If you don’t want to send it, that is fine but just wanted to share something.
Anna,
You can get my e-mail through filling out the contact form from Linda Clay’s Blog.
https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/5-15-16-are-we-seeking-self-interests-or-gods-interests/
To all;
I would like to make one point clear here. My participation in this discussion is not fueled by a desire to fuss and fight; or a desire to ‘be right’.
The LORD has placed upon my heart a deep burden over the danger false teachings present to the Body of Christ. It weighs on me daily; but I accept it a part of my calling. In seeking a connection to our Hebrew roots (something I earnestly do, and enjoy very much) there is a grave danger of losing sight of salvation by grace through faith, and being steered into a works based religiosity which replaces the gift of Christ’s righteousness with our own self-righteous works.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28
In the book of Galatians Paul told those who had gone back to keeping the Law as their means of righteousness that they had fallen from grace, and that Christ had become of no effect unto them. Serious business! That is the main concern I have in this matter. That people can, and sometimes do, get seduced away from saving grace through embracing works based error.
Grace and peace ot all who love our Christ;
Paul Benson
We are not under Law but under Grace
We often hear this argument in an effort to belittle God’s law, “Well, since we are not under the law but under grace, we do not need to keep the Ten Commandments any longer.” Is this a valid point? The Bible certainly does say that we are not under the law, but does that imply that we are free from the obligation to obey it? The text is found in Romans 6:14-15, “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.” How easily we could prevent confusion if we accepted exactly what the Bible says. Paul gives a clear explanation of his statement. After stating that we are not under law but grace, he asks, “What then?” This simply means, “How are we to understand this?” Then notice his answer. In anticipation that some will construe his words to mean that you can break the law because you are under grace, he says, “Shall we sin (break the law) because we are not under the law but under grace? God forbid.” In the strongest possible language Paul states that being under grace does not give a license to break the law. Yet this is exactly what millions believe today, and they totally ignore Paul’s specific warning. Most do not seem to understand that God’s grace is His unmerited, undeserved favour that is preceded by the act of genuine repentance when we do sin. If there were no law, there would actually be no need for God’s grace.
Suppose a murderer has been sentenced to death in the electric chair. Waiting for the execution the man would truly be under the law in every sense of the word, under the guilt, under the condemnation, under the sentence of death, etc. Just before the execution date the governor reviews the condemned man’s case and decides to pardon him. In the light of extenuating circumstances the governor exercises his prerogative and sends a full pardon to the prisoner. Now he is no longer under the law but under grace. The law no longer condemns him. He is considered totally justified as far as the charges of the law are concerned. He is free to walk out of the prison and not a policeman can lay hands upon him. But now that he is under grace and no longer under the law, can we say that he is free to break the law? Indeed not! In fact, that pardoned man will be doubly obligated to obey the law because he has found grace from the governor. In gratitude and love he will be very careful to keep the law of the state which granted him grace.
Is that what the Bible says about pardoned sinners? “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” Romans 3:31. Here is the most explicit answer to the entire problem. Paul asks if the law is nullified for us just because we have had faith in Christ’s saving grace. His answer is that the law is established and reinforced in the life of a grace saved Christian. The truth of this is so simple and obvious that it should require no repetition, but the devious reasoning of those who try to avoid obedience makes it necessary to press this point a bit further. Have you ever been stopped by a policeman for exceeding the speed limit? It is an embarrassing experience, especially if you know you are guilty. But suppose you really were hurrying to meet a valid emergency, and you pour out your convincing explanation to the policeman as he writes your ticket. Slowly he folds the ticket and tears it up. Then he says, “All right, I’m going to pardon you this time, but…” Now what do you think he means by that word “but”? Surely he means, “but I don’t want to ever catch you speeding again.” Does this pardon (grace) open the way for you to disobey the law? On the contrary, it adds compelling urgency to your decision not to disobey the law again. Why then should any true Christian try to rationalize his way out of obeying the law of God? Consider carefully also what 1 John 3:4 says, “Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God’s law, because sin is a breaking of the law.” Are we sinners? If we are not sinners, then why was Jesus nailed to the cross?
You say we are not under the Law in one comment but then in others state that those who worship on Sunday, or those who do not follow ANY Sabbath are ‘the tares’ who will be destroyed by God! If we are not under the Law then why would not obeying that Law bring the curse of the Law upon us? You cannot have it both ways. Either we are bound to the requirements of the Law; or we are set free from the Law. Either salvation is by obedience to the Law, or it is by Grace. Make up your mind.
There is not one place in the Bible where the apostles taught the Gentiles to keep Sabbath or observe the Law The Law had a purpose and that purpose comes to an end in Christ.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The Bible clearly teaches (Col. 2:16-19) the law, feasts, Sabbaths, new moons etc. were shadows of a better way to come. How foolish to embrace shadows when we can embrace the one, Jesus Christ, casting those shadows across the pages of the O.T.!
When a loved one walks in the room do you go embrace their shadow, or them?
http://www.desiringgod.org/messages/remember-the-sabbath-day-to-keep-it-holy
Paul, this is a link, written by Pastor John Piper, he explians this topic, about the Sabbath, in detail. There are several, people who have this interpretation of the Sabbath. This article is might be a good read for you, this is along the lines of what you are probably talking about. I believe along the same lines as John Piper, Rick Wiles, My Pastor, through seeking God for myself on this issue.
Hey Matt;
Thanks for the link; I’ll check it out. Here is a link a brother sent me that deals with some the false notions one will be confronted with seeking to connect with their Hebrew Roots. The correct view of the Sabbath is only one of the issues he addresses. It is a very thorough treatment of the subject and somewhat long but I was very impressed.
I myself love exploring our H.R., it has been a very edifying adventure for me; but I am quite shocked at what some are presenting as truth in this area.
https://churchwatchcentral.com/2016/09/23/what-is-the-hebrew-roots-movement/
I don’t agree with some of his end-time doctrine, but I sure did learn a thing or two from this article. Let me know what you think.
Blessings;
Paul
I understand where he is going with on the article. And, he lays out a good case, and I do agree with a good portion of his teaching, on exposing the Hebrew roots.
I have no problem with anyone wanting to celebrate, the feast Days, celebrate The Birth of Jesus, Jewish New Year, Pentecost, and/or Resurrection Day. I have a problem when someone lives holy everyday, and everyday celebrates and lives a lifestyle, according to the principal of these events are told they will be going to Hell, if they do not physically celebrate these holy days, on the actual day. There are people who’s hearts are not right, but they celebrate these days, and these same people say they are going to Heaven, because they do so.
I also do not believe in “The Mandela Effect,” (Satan went back in time and altered the Bible), or “The Bridal Paradigm,” (Taking the Song Of Solomon Literally, thus people are in Romances, and Bromances with Jesus). These doctrines have crept into the body of Christ, and it is wrecking havoc, on quite a bit of professing Christians.
Overall it was a good read, and well researched.
Anna, I completely agree with your description here. I could not have explained it better myself.
How much simpler can it be explained right? if someone does not “get that” then I can’t help them. They either are refusing to see and hear or their eyes were blinded by our heavenly Father because they would rather believe the lies.
Thank you for replying and giving me hope that there are some that truly want to learn and see. 🙂 I appreciate it.
Paul,
You said above:
“In seeking a connection to our Hebrew roots (something I earnestly do, and enjoy very much) there is a grave danger of losing sight of salvation by grace through faith, and being steered into a works based religiosity which replaces the gift of Christ’s righteousness with our own self-righteous works.”
To seek a connection with our Hebrew roots and to study the richness of how the Lord’s Feasts point to Messiah; to realize that every item in the Tabernacle pointed to our relationship with Messiah, etc. has in NO WAY put me in any kind of danger, let alone grave danger.
On the contrary, understanding the Hebrew Roots and recognizing and celebrating the Spiritual essence of the Lord’s Feasts and the 7th Day Sabbath TREMENDOUSLY enriches appreciation for Christ’s Finished Work on the Cross. We are well aware that our righteousness is imputed to us through the BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST.
There is the Holy Spirit and there is the WORD. We need both.
The Word stands eternal in the Heavens—- ALL of it. Jesus IS THE WORD.
All Scripture is God-Breathed, not just the New Covenant.
Peggy;
I am quite glad you have a proper estimation of the gift of righteousness we have imputed to us through faith. But we need to realize there are other folk who do lose touch with that truth, or have never come to the knowledge of it. We should have concern for their wellbeing, and be able to minister to their need. I say there is a grave danger because Paul voiced this danger repeatedly in his teachings.
The Judaizing of the Gentile believes by false workers was the reason for Paul’s letter to the Galatians. Paul said it had caused them to fall from grace. That they had lost the new birth and he was travailing in birth until Christ be formed in them again. Think about it. People walking in the liberty we know in Jesus were convinced to place themselves under the bondage of the Mosaic Law and it took them out of Christ. That is he false Gospel / another Gospel that Paul was warning of.
In Acts 15 the Counsel of Jerusalem clearly mandated that the Gentile believers were not to be told they needed to be circumcised or obey the Law of Moses. That should settle the issue completely, but many choose (not you) to engage in selective vision when reading the Scriptures and ignore the many passages which rebuke the Judaizing of the Gentile believers to make them acceptable to God.
There are those in this thread who are suggesting those who do not keep Sabbath, or who engage in the worship of our LORD on Sunday are destined for damnation. This is a false Gospel. I know you do not believe this way but I exhort you not to encourage those who do.
Blessing, peace, and great grace upon you sister;
Paul Benson
Food for thought:
10-4-15 – WHEN CHRISTIANS DEBATE ONE ANOTHER believeacts2’s Blog
https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2015/10/04/10-4-15-when-christians-debate-one-another/
Debate serves great purpose in the Body of Christ. Not only does it give people a chance to express themselves that they would not get in a church where a man has a death grip on ‘his’ pulpit; It also builds discernment in the minds of those who monitor the exchange. They learn to distinguish who is speaking by the Spirit and who is not. It fosters spiritual growth. This discernment building is one of the most important aspects of Z3NEWS although most do not realize it. I have come to regard James’ efforts here quite highly, and hope all see this site worthy of SUPPORT. (as we are able)
Debate can be healthy or unhealthy depending upon the spirit expressed and the motivation of the heart. If love is the motivation there will be a healthy corrective apparatus manifest to counter error. People learn who they can trust by a track record of Spirit led behavior, If love is not the motivation what will be evidenced is strife filled words, false accusations, bitterness, and an lack of regard for truth spoken.. And this also is beneficial as people learn who is not so reliable. Debate can be a VERY GOOD thing!
Matt your word lines up perfectly with my last one https://z3news.com/w/relent-destruction-coming-america/ He told me it would be 10 times worse than anything that we have seen before, which Initially thought was 911 so it would mean approxamtely 35000 dead, horrible . But while reading your message, which I think is absolutely from the Lord, I heard the question “Is 911 the biggest event you have ever seen?” Immediately my mind was focused on the Christmas day Tsunami of 2004, 250000 dead, 10 times that event would be 2.5 million people losing their lives…I have a really urgent feeling that these are the kind of numbers that we may be looking at.
Please watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCE7XyPuIQQ
Dick Cheney said an event far deadlier than 911 will take place before the end the decade.
People TODAY is the day of salvation, You are not guaranteed tomorrow on this earth. Are you right with Jesus if your soul is required of you today?
I wonder if this is the earthquake/tsunami that is being talked about as soon as Obama signs that 2 state resolution to separate Palestine from Israel for God does say “you divide my land, I will divide yours”. And that event would cause millions upon millions to die so maybe this is the one.
that resolution is now being discussed so when they will do this remains to be seen but i did hear that they want to resolve this before Jan.20th of 2017.
Hmmmmmmmmm, google maps shows how USA will be divided also.
Did you notice last that Obama said Jerusalem is not in Israel and hurricane Matthew when from a cat 1 to a cat 5 almost immediately?
I think the day they divide God’s city Jerusalem we are done! His wrath will be poured out…
I do too and if you look throughout the Biblical history, anyone who touched Israel got destroyed.
Obama will sign that resolution since he hates Jews and hates the ground Jesus walked on. After all, the Antichrist will never be for Israel.
And now Obamanation of desolation said anyone that says he is the Antichrist he wants their names. Persecution is here now. He wants people to rat them out and unfortunately we live in a world where there are too many stupid people that will do this and they will rat them out.
Yes, Jeff, I heard about what “o” said about Jerusalem not being in Israel.
That is just about the craziest thing I have heard in my entire life!!!
How he claims to have read the Bible & be a Christian is beyond me really. Anyone who has read the Bible knows Jerusalem belongs to Israel.
That is an interesting note! WOW!
Anna, there will be likely be 2 judgments on America when we double-cross God’s ancient covenant people in Israel – one right when we sign it, and the other after the last Jew has vacated his property to make room for the Arabs. The way most treaties of that magnitude work, the Jews will probably be given at least a year or 2 to relocate.
The dividing of America into 2 pieces along the lines of the Mississippi River will be a poetic sort of vengeance for what we do to Israel. However, it will be much more extreme than you can imagine: Prophet Chuck John-El Youngbrandt was shown the Chicago earthquake that causes the Great Lakes to empty into the Gulf of Mexico. It was given to him in great detail back in 1973. The visions that came to him unexpectedly over a series of days included not just sight, but also sound, touch, and smell. The Lord revealed to him that that 68 million lives will be lost as a result of that earthquake and subsequent flooding, disease, and starvation.
The splitting of our land will happen on a July 5, year unknown. Isaiah and Jeremiah both prophesied events to befall ancient Israel between 40 and 50 years in advance, and Chuck was shown this out of the blue – without seeking for it – over 40 years ago now. Our nation will be so devastated by this event that the Russians will commence full scale EMP’s and nuclear holocaust of our major cities within 60 days, followed by surprise land invasion on our east coast. The Chinese hit our west coast a month after that. And despite our best efforts to defend, they will have marched from both sides into Kansas by the following summer.
As I understand it, we have a period of 7-10 years worth of civil unrest, civil war, famine, and severe, but lesser judgments to endure before our land falls to the Russians and Chinese. Our country’s 250th birthday is July 4, 2026, Wouldn’t that be a perfect sense of irony? If Day 1 after our 250th birthday is the beginning of our end. But I believe it could occur as early as 2022, personally.
The Lord gave Chuck a series of strong, but lesser judgments to watch for during the 2 years prior to our land being divided and invaded, and those have not yet occurred. I recommend reading his website, outdated now as it is. He’s a humble man, little known, oft persecuted by those who call themselves believers, and has an incredible track record of decades of specific and accurate warnings. http://staffandswordministry.com/
Matt, you are right on with your post. And thanks for keeping the focus on Jesus and repentance instead of the calamity. I believe what’s coming is an earthquake of great magnitude to California, similar in its geographical scope of damage to Hurricane Matthew, which hit all the way from Florida up to North Carolina. So we’re looking at an upthrust of the crust that impacts about half of California, and one wayward city in particular (San Fran maybe?) will be hit VERY hard. I believe that between the resulting fires, floods, food and clean water shortages, and blunt trauma of the earthquake, it will easily eclipse anything we have seen to date. Possibly 2-3 million lives lost.
But all of these details and speculations are secondary to turning away from sin and turning toward Jesus with all our might and mental focus. His sheep know his voice. Stay near to him, and enjoy receiving from him in return a sound mind and a fearless heart of charity.
WOW! I have never heard of this man that had these visions/dreams. I just remember that once God divides this nation because of how we go against Israel, that millions would die and thousands or even millions more would die like he says of lack of clean water, and lack of food. Starvation is a horrible way to die.
I am not sure of the 2026 date either though and think it is much sooner than that. But truthfully, only God knows the dates and I do see that Obama is in negotiations for the 2 state resolution & somewhere i read wants to decide before Jan 20, 2017 and you know he will sign that because he hates Israel and God.
Thank you and I will check into this site and i appreciate you sending it. I sure hope people pay attention and truly repent because when that happens and they die, it shall be too late if they didn’t get right before God.
All this because America got so prideful because of the abundance God blessed her with that she has decided to take matters into her own hands and kick the Creator out that gave her life to begin with as the richest and most blessed nation of all! How sad right? He gives but He will take away & they have pushed Him too far finally! I think that California will blow soon too.
The Chinese and Russian soldiers are already here but won’t yet strike til commanded to do so. ISIS will also attack the churches while they are full soon like they have done in other countries. I believe that is not very far away either.
i just know God gave me 2 dreams and I saw the camps and they are real, i saw the bombed out city, houses gone, cars gone, and the people were traumatized and crying with the military guys there around them. There was a gray soot still in the air and confusion. But there were not that many people alive in that dream. I remember waking up and saying to myself “why didn’t they just repent” and we could have been spared. it was very sad. I was sad. Next dream i only saw 4 people alive and the nuclear blast was huge. There is talk now that Dallas will be hit by a smaller nuke that wipes out only one city but this will, in turn, allow Obama to declare martial law throughout this nation. That would stop election from happening. So we will see soon won’t we? I don’t know if it will hit Dallas, could be NYC, LA, Chicago?????????? But Obama does hate Texans for bucking him. He will be the one ordering this hit but will blame another country for it (my guess is Russia).
TIME IS INDEED RUNNING OUT. God Bless and thanks again; any updated news let me know!
Wow, Anna, thanks for sharing your dreams.
Yes, I agree that REPENTANCE is imperative!!
I’m repenting each morning and evening for all sins known and unknown and asking Jesus’ forgiveness of those. Our minds, wills, and emotions (the “soul” realm) are not “saved” but in a process of sanctification, so in essence we all sin in some way every day in thought, word, or deed.
“What’s Ahead for the United States” by LINDA CLAY-
https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/whats-ahead-for-the-united-states/
I think this is also the major event that comes to our nation soon. If the land is divided, it will be under Obama;s watch. I suspect the New madrid area will see an earthquake…but at a later date we will see the land divide that many have seen.
Could The Disasters Prophetically Warned About In 2015 Been DELAYED? Is There A Connection To The Dividing The Land Of Israel ?- Michael Snyder Tells All In Video http://whygodreallyexists.com/archives/could-the-disasters-prophetically-warned-about-in-2015-been-delayed-is-there-a-connection-to-the-dividing-the-land-of-israel-michael-snyder-tells-all-in-video
7 Prophetic Voices See America Split At The New Madrid Fault When Israel’s Land Is Divided
http://whygodreallyexists.com/archives/john-kilpatricks-new-madrid-earthquake-dream-with-specific-location-points
Yes Meranda, this is correct. Obama has said that he was to make a decision on this Palestine/Israel decision before he is supposedly to leave on 1/20/2017.
But he has made a comment that he believes Palestine does not belong to Israel or something to the effect so that tells us all he will definitely agree to split it in two.
As soon as that is signed expect the biggest earthquake you know to happen. Divide his land, he will divide ours. We are heading into that in the near future. Millions will die as a result but does Obama care? Of course not. Even if Killary got in, she would also do it.
Just like everyone is saying that they have an “assignment” now for God, well Obama’s assignment is to finish us off. He shall do it because he is fulfilling prophecy.
I remember reading this vision.
I agree with have major, major disasters coming our way but are we still here by 2026? I don’t think so. I think we are gone much sooner than that. I don’t think we make it past 2020 myself.
It very well might be!
Look at these posts
An Asteroid Hitting At The Same Time Hillary Receives Her “Crown” http://whygodreallyexists.com/archives/gelzel-ls-prophetic-dream-of-an-asteroid-hitting-at-the-same-time-hillary-receives-her-crown
Blood Moon Judgement New York City http://whygodreallyexists.com/archives/lindsey-marceaus-prophetic-dream-of-a-blood-moon-judgment-coming-to-new-york-city
I think we are being played. False FLAG -3 prophetic voices. http://whygodreallyexists.com/archives/i-think-we-are-being-played-prophetic-voices-zab-paschke-shannon-johnson
Michael Snyder- Dividing the land is still in play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJx2vqeQPeg
I believe we have all been played and they laugh behind our backs. too bad about 70% of the population is still in a coma though. Wish they would wake up.
thanks for sending and I am not sure about the asteroid one but yes everyone that goes against her has been found dead shortly after and they all mysteriously just love to commit suicide.
O’s administration also has many on that same list that they all just love to shoot nail guns into their heads or throw themselves off of 40 story buildings right after they text they are meeting their g/friend for dinner. Sure, everyone just does that!!
so many dead because of these two. It is despicable.
that asteroid might hit though as soon as they divide Israel and that is not far now.
Did you also see how Putin has the people in his country being trained for a catastrophic event? they are being given respiratory masks for free and shown where to go to underground bunkers when the bombs hit and also how to help others? And what is Obama telling us? NOTHING. Other countries are also doing the same. So do you think Obama wants us all dead? I sure do. We have no place to go to and no respiratory masks let alone even being told this is coming.
Also heard today from a friend that ex Presidents, and people in govt are buying up homes in other countries to move in by the end of the year!! really? so why are they leaving so fast? Do they know things we are not told? You betcha!!! They all have bunkers to go to also in case they have not gotten out of the country yet but we are all sitting ducks for the slaughter!
WWIII on the horizon here. And people are worried about voting instead.
Trump can’t save us; only Jesus can!! Get right now! I think our time is much shorter than people even realize. Too many prophetic Words and warnings now to dismiss it all.
Jeff, I too believe the next major event will have a life loss of 500,000+
Thank you for that confirmation brother Matt God Bless You!
This was given to me last night, as a partial confirmation:
Oct 18, 2016
There is coming a day of horrors on America, the lost city. Time and again I have warned that this day is coming, and few have heeded the call to repent and turn from their wicked ways. No one knows all but Me. Indeed, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, but soon riches will not save and those that are last will be first.
In the day of judgment only the righteous will stand and remain true to the Word and the Lord. Signals have been given, visions have been given, words of wisdom and knowledge to warn and prepare.
++++
God have mercy on the lost city.
To Matt and Jeff: Thank God to you both. We as Christians, the Body of Christ, collectively and individually, have to repent of our sins continually and acknowledge that we as a nation are sinners and wicked in His eyesisght. We won’t be able to escape His judgment fully, but He will give us a hiding place physical and spiritually in Jesus.
Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord’s anger. (Zephaniah 2:3)
Thank you Michael may we all be counted worthy to escape all these things and stand before God. But if we must suffer Jesus is our sustainer.
God Bless You!
You are absolutely right, Jeff. I ask you, Jeff, to pray for me to repent everyday of my life, to get in right standing and relationship with Jesus, and to get discernment, dreams, visions, to be an asset to God’s people. I know I’m not ready to meet the coming judgments, much less to meet Jesus. But I wanna be ready and prepared for whatever befallen this world, our country, and our fellow believers (your and my brothers and sisters).
Michael, you must understand that none of us can do it in our own strength. Just surrender to Him and He gives you more strength than you can ever imagine, its called being filled and baptised in the Holy Spirit.
God Bless you !
Thank you, Jeff.
Well Jeff, but how about the civil war and it’s destruction and casualties, which is the biggest and worst destruction this land and nation has ever seen through history.
Yes civilwar will happen too well as nuclear bombs, earthquakes, tsunamis, disease, famine, roaming gangs etc. etc. etc.
Jesus is our only hope and shelter and He is our salvation!
Thank you, Matt for this sobering message and Thank you, James for working tirelessly putting up multiple posts in a short time! This morning I feel like somebody poured out icy water over my head. Time to really get myself prepared for what is to come! Blessings!
There is no doubt this is from Creator God! I read an article recently on Charisma which had a rebuke for doom and gloom prophets and all I could do was shake my head because the writer clearly forgot about Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah and so many others in the Bible who prophesied just like Matt is doing.
Is there such a thing as a doom and gloom prophet? God doesn’t categorize His prophets and neither should we! These are not days to have itching ears! It is five minutes to midnight on the prophetic clock! That is just how close we are to the end. So God doesn’t have time to play. This is a message not just for America but for every nation and all believers. The reality is, things will not get any better but our hope rests in Jesus Christ. The message is very clear….we must all examine ourselves and repent.
I hear all these better days ahead prophecies, and they never address sin, and repentance. Any true prophet or watchman will always tell a person or nation to repent, who’s not in right standing with God, so they can get in right standing with God.
I also do not subscribe to the “There is no hope” theory. There are only two sins a man can’t be forgiven of, and that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, and taking the Mark Of The Beast. You can be forgiven for all other sins in your life, and at any point before you die, because when you die there is no second chance.
This applies to a nation as well, before it completely dies. It is always better for that nation to repent at the last minute, than not to repent at all. If a nation repents at the last moment, God may relent, reprieve, or mitigate his judgment or damage. The decision is up to him, but it still would better than one being to proud and not repenting at all.
Paula, interesting share about Charisma mag, I also heard Elijah list will not publish any prophecies that they consider doom/gloom–how can people feel urgency to repent if they falsely think their lifestyle will be blessed as prophets who get published state? I’ve heard other prophets say “stop cursing America” meaning doom/gloom to shut up. we have a schism in the body. I’m thankful for the warning and grateful I had time to repent
The Elijah List advertises…
I can’t stand going to the “Elijah” List! ( Elijah is probably shaking his head in disbelief). It looks like one big advertisement page and honestly, I’ve never found anything there that’s relevant–at least for a very, very long time.
Paula, Two of the prophesies recorded in Act, prophesy of a coming famine in Judea in Paul’s day and Paul being delivered to the gentiles (Acts 11:27-30, 21;10-14). Not exactly the most cheerful news but essential for taking appropriate action to avoid the consequences of what was prophesied. From this we can through the gift of prophesy, that God warns His people of what is to come that they may take necessary action for what lies ahead.
Thanks Matt for this solemn words!
Please pray for me and other Christians, who cannot quickly and surly discern the messages revealed by His Prophets, so that we can clearly discern all revelations, dreams & vision and heed His Voice swiftly each ON OUR OWN in the coming days (when the internet & z3news are down for good).
Linda Clay has sternly warned Z3ers not to turn people away when they come asking for help/food. However, the fact that a man can be assassinated for a can of beans or clean water in those days can turn every prepper and loving Christian into a “jackpot” to the wicked if we open our doors/extend our hands to the wrong people. When rapes (against women, kids, old people, even men) and violent home invasions happening left and right, what should we do if we cannot hear clearly His Command at that moment? I dare not to play Rambo in those scenarios, yet I don’t think I can live with the thoughts of not doing anything or bringing dangers to my own by doing things out of “good intention”, like Moses killing the Egytian…
Yes – I confess that I am NOT ready for the coming Matthew 24 scenarios – please pray for me & all the not-ready members of His Body to truly embrace His Death & His Cross to have Hope in the coming dark & evil hours, lest fear and unbelief will destroy many brethens. Many thanks!
I do understand, Ming! I ask for prayer for that discernment also!
Greetings Ming – Be encouraged, the Lord Jesus Christ is near to those who call out to Him.
Romans 10:13 (KJV) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Revelation 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Ming,
You bring out many excellent points. The fact that anyone admits they are not ready is a great sign. It shows humility and complete dependence on the Power of the Holy Spirit. Truly, that is the position that each of us is in.
Spend time in the Word and quietly before the Lord to get more prepared.
As we draw near to Him, HE draws near to us.
Ming,
I have been impressed to pray that my home and property will be invisible to anyone that wishes to cause harm and that God will SEND us those He wants us to help. I have been storing water in one gallon jugs so I can assist many and that it will be easily portable. This was by instruction from the Lord.
The Spotlight of God is upon my inward parts. There is no escape from His Spirit of truth. If we think we stand, take heed lest we fall in our own conceits. Let’s bring ourselves low, humble, fear and obey-as a friend of mine always says. This word drains the life out of even those who know they walk uprightly. There is nothing more to be done than to pray for others, pray for oneself. that God will have mercy on any prideful heart and drop to the floor like John did in Revelation 1:17
Amen, Brother Steven. Bless you Matt. Bless all of us on our faces trying to live Galatians 2:20 daily. HOURLY. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for bringing this blessed wave of personal repentance. Wow, people. It’s really coming, isn’t it? No…it’s already here.
Pride is a deadly sin. Many are to proud to repent.
I agree. I think, just my opinion, that it is almost impossible to fully repent without fasting and asking fervently and frequently for the Holy Spirit to give us the gift of repentance. We are so subconsciously invested in protecting our fragile egos. We need supernatural humility/grace to repent. God is faithful and will give us humility and the self awareness to repent when asked.
I did a post on this log ago about regret or repentance! Most regret getting caught or they simply regret and say I am sorry but this is NOT REPENTANCE. So what is one really doing is what they need to ask themselves; regretting or truly repenting.
Regret does not cause change in one’s life that is permanent.
True Repentance does cause change so if no change in your life, then you did not really repent.
God reads the hearts of men. Time is short. Very short now. You know when you hit repentance sincerely for you will cry like a baby and be convicted of your wrongdoings.
I agree Anna about Regret not doing the job or as is the same as repentance, but I will say it could be a stepping stone. It’s very hard for me to hear when people say that they have no “regrets” when they speak about their lives-when they look back. I think a regret is the first positive step from our conscious that “can” lead to repentance. On the flip side, if you have too many regrets, and are not changed by it or if it doesn’t cause you to run to God, then that’s not healthy for the soul either. Thank you for your loving comment, Matt and sgd too.
Well I do pray that many will actually be drawn to repentance now as events speed up and unfold because Jesus does love us.
But I have met many on FB for a long time that even after 3 yrs or 5 yrs were still the same with no evidence of any change in their life yet they would say they were saved. How can you be saved when you are still lost?
If someone truly has the Holy Spirit in them, they just can’t remain the same and there will be a lot of changes for the better as well as healings of the deepest wounds of the heart etc.
Hopefully regret does bring some to repentance but you must regret doing it and not do it again. You can’t regret it and then go right back to the same thing again. 🙁
Matt, how difficult it must have been to write these words! So many of us have prayed for the Lord to warn us and especially as the time for these judgements near. The time IS near, may every Christian be in prayer and intercession for this land, for the souls being lost and for wisdom to know what we are to say for those shocked and tormented people who survive, waking up out of their stupor! May the true church arise to its task, and may tens of thousands be saved following this cities destruction! We were born for such a time as this! Shalom all z3ers!
A specific dream I’ve had on my mind all day. I’m in a house with a group of people. We look out the window to the city and see smoke piles everywhere. We had to get out . Next scene I’m passing by masked men who were responsible for the destruction. We go looking for water in the store. Mass chaos. This is confirmation .. fire, destruction and desperation will soon ensue.
Wow, Ginger. That’s intense, but unfortunately what’s most likely coming.
I also dreamt of a cloud of dirt coming towards us down the street. I shared it on another recent post. But will share again here.
Dream
October 16, 2016
I woke up a little after 4am this morning. I dreamt my husband and I were outside in a car in daylight and saw a huge cloud of dirt come rolling towards us down the street. Something had happened.. maybe a bombing, etc. It reminded me of 9/11(the big clouds of dirt and debris rolling through the streets of New York).
I went to pray and read. Felt the Lord’s presence while praying & then read in Amos about how God was about to bring a great shaking!
“For I will give the command and will shake Israel along with the other nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, yet not one true kernel will be lost.”
-Amos 9:9
We live in east Tennessee so I don’t know if it meant destruction will be close enough to see from here or if there will be more than one place of destruction. Perhaps it meant that the whole nation will be affected by it.
Have also been led to Lamantations the past few days. It was sad to read it. I believe this country is going to be in that state. My mom has also been led to Jeremiah 18, I believe she said.
Keep preaching Matt and everyone else hearing from the Lord. I, too, would probably be categorized as a “gloom and doom” watchman..well watch woman. It can be a lonely road but I know Jesus wants me to speak it… in love but boldly. Even my own husband still doubts we are in the last days. But he does believe judgment will come to our nation because we have gone so far from God.
Lord, prepare Your people. Give us Your courage and Your wisdom. May Your perfect love drive the fear out of us. Create in us a pure heart and put a right Spirit within us, Your Holy Spirit. Cover us with Your blood so every demon that tries to come near us will tremble and flee at the sight of You! Help us to hear Your voice instead of all the distractions and lies. We need You Lord. We thank You for Your faithfulness to those who love You and are called according to Your purpose. In Your Name Jesus we pray, Amen.
Ginger…today a chemical cloud was released from a plant and covered the city of Atchison, KS today…fyi
DREAM I HAD ABOUT WHAT IS TO COME AFTER THE DOLLAR COLLAPSES SOON:
I had a dream of this. A huge brown bear was banging down my door.
He had a hard time for a little while because I use deadbolts but he got in. I ran into the laundry room since I had
No time to get to my bedroom and in the dream I had a gun and could not get to it. They would have cornered me
In there for there was no way out back there.
So anyway I ran into the laundry area by the back door and hid. I heard the refrigerator door open and the bear
Was just tossing things out of it instead of eating it because he was insane to boot. So I thought that was stupid if you
Are hungry to do that but he did it. Then he went into another bedroom where there was food in there and water
And I heard him ripping it up and gorging himself. I opened the back door, closed it behind me and ran as fast as I could.
I closed the door so that he wouldn’t see it opened and then know someone was in that laundry area.
Anyway, I got away and ran to my neighbors garage and hid in there behind farm equipment.
But as in dreams you see things that normally you cant see so I heard a truck or car coming down the road and saw
It stop in front of my house because they door was totally busted open. I saw him get out of the truck/car (can’t remember)
And he had a rifle or shotgun and was walking into the house. Then I woke up.
Interpretation: Huge and I mean huge brown bear represented the masses of people that will come in hoards to break in
Your home. Too many to fight off.
Gun represented how it would be useless to try and shoot all of them because I could never do it and they would have
Killed me had I tried.
Me getting out was God’s divine protection over His child allowing me time to escape.
And the man with rifle was I believe my landlord looking to protect me and come help me. But I never saw him come out
Of there so don’t know what happened to him.
There will be gangs of people together. I heard you have to have at least 20 to 30 in your own house and all would have
To have shotguns, rifles and all kinds of guns to ward off the gangs of people that will charge into the homes.
So like I said, I will “book” at that time rather than think I can take them on.