I had a dream many years ago about false religion and false brethren in the church.
In this dream, I was in a church. They were having a coffee social before the service. Everyone was smiling and chatting, but I noticed it was not normal. The service was about to start, so I went inside.
As the service proceeded, all the people began to swell up and sort of grunt and growl. They continued to swell up until they couldn’t move and could barely breathe. I wanted to run, but they were so swollen I had to edge my way through them as they were all standing up. Though they were snarling at me, they couldn’t get to me.
I got out of the sanctuary and ran towards the door. There were a few people cowering by the door. Then I looked up as a huge snake suddenly raised up its’ head and wagged it back and forth at me, swooping down in my face. I knew I had to get out and help the few people by the door to get out too. So I grabbed the snake around the head, which was like grabbing the neck of a huge bear. It tried to put its’ fangs in my arm, but I didn’t release it until I had the door opened with my other hand and the few captives were freed, then I tossed it aside and got out myself.
When I had this dream, I knew exactly what it meant, so I put a lot of space between me and this python congregation. I had already been invited to attend a new church, which had started up in a home and was wanting to expand, so each member had to bring someone new into the group. I didn’t want to go, but this woman kept asking me until I went. Nothing particular happened, but something wasn’t right. The spirit was quenched. I felt like a bird about to be pounced on.
God gave me this dream to reveal the spiritual nature of my church. I didn’t stick around to get stuck in it, and I learned to say no, not just continue going to get along. Even so, I was hounded for several months after that, first pleading calls followed by angry calls. I remained silent until it passed.
“Our willingness to go along with the masses and put on false garments will end in our demise, even if for a time it might feel right.” ~ Joanie Stahl
He showed me the huge snake because false religion and false brethren are like the python and cobra that mesmerize, weaving cruel messages that can cause a paralyzing fear, which makes it difficult for devoted believers to stand against the crowd.
God will show us what kinds of spirits are operating around us. If you recall the story of the woman that followed Paul around. Although she spoke of GOD, she had a python spirit. Paul and Silas ended up in prison on account of discerning the unclean spirit operating through her for gain.
“Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, ‘These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.’ And this she did for many days” (Acts 16:16-17)
“But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed”. (Acts 16:25-26)
False doctrines have crept into the church unnoticed. The word crept relates to the crab. As you know, crabs move sideways. We talk about things that come in sideways… unawares.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Jude 1:4)
These are very perilous times that we live in. The death culture abounds as it takes hold of its’ victims and spreads its’ poison. It’s a very weighty matter that we must take seriously, keeping ourselves clean and close to Jesus. We are warned that those who hate God, love death.
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death. (Proverbs 8:36)
It is a life and death situation for us that we stay low and pray, which is to say humble ourselves before the Lord. Not everything is as it seems at first glance, but the Holy Spirit is able to lead us into all truth.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. (Proverbs 3:5-6, King James Version)
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Hi,
I posted yesterday from a dream to read, Zechariah Chapter 3. It’s amazing and just left me at a place of no words for a while. Chapter 3 is about Joshua the high priest. Is this not a brand (stick) pulled from the fire? His clothing was changed from dirty rags to fine raiment.
The adversary was accusing Joshua and the Lord rebuked him for it. God knew Joshua, his heart towards Him, his frailties, as Joshua came before Him representing Israel and the sins of Israel. Yet, the Lord confirmed him with a mitre or turban on his head. God lifted him, elevated him above his enemies.
Our religiosity is as a rag. When Jesus walked the earth at that time and forever, he put down the religiosity of the Pharisees? Isn’t this what we are fleeing, to not be taken again captive by falsehood, and traditions of men that pervert the truth? Wherein repentance of sin is conformity to tradition, rather than turning our lives over to Christ? Souls snared for gain?
I recall a dream from 10-12 years ago. I became aware of feeling that I was going over the edge of something and in the position of upside down…not quite falling, but almost. Then, after feeling that sense of movement, I was then in the position of observing. I saw a man being lowered into a hole or shaft. I then felt that upside down feeling, then again observing. I saw that there was a man being held by the feet with strips of cloth, like bandages around his ankles. As I looked at that I began to see hands superimposed over the bandages around the ankles. I woke up. I knew immediately that the dream represented our High Priest Jesus, through the proscription of the high priest to yearly be lowered into the Most Holy Place to sacrifice before the Lord. If his offering was accepted, he lived and if not, he died.
Jesus fulfilled that place as High Priest, and He was the accepted sacrifice. In a day, once and for always, it was done on the Cross. Since yesterday’s reading of Zechariah 3, I realized something about Isaiah 45:17 that just came to mind, that Israel will be saved in a day with an everlasting salvation…but the phrase in a day is rhema to me…in a day. In a day, Jesus became the Passover. In a day, something changed forever. In a day, Salvation came.
Thank you. I’m not trying to single anyone out with criticism over their beliefs. I just have had this issue come up recently in my life and wanted to point out what I have learned. Gods Word in the Bible and not any man made doctrine is the way to know the truth which keeps us from getting off track. I try to be more humble and have a more gentle spirit since I do not want to sound harsh. Please forgive me if my posts seem judgemental. I’m just trying to get the truth out there.
The truth can be harsh. Speaking it does not make you harsh. We all need to warn each other. If you hadn’t posted, somebody else would have.
Be blessed.
Sister Delia,
Thank you for being a watchman. As I wrote before I haven’t followed the man. I gave up the TV ministry compulsion 20 years ago, seriously. I am glad that you pray for the man and his followers…as we should all be followers of Christ, and belong to him alone.
I am praying that your conversation with Laura will be productive to both of you, and whatever that discussion brings…the outcome belongs to the Lord.
My own mother, one of my best friends from junior high and her mother were all three following Pastor Hagees ministry and reading his books, watching his videos etc. That is why I am trying to make a point here about this in this forum. The father of lies can nearly deceive the very elect if they are not careful. My friend’s mom studies the bible every day for hours and is learning Hebrew but even she has been deceived in this instance. My heart is only for the truth to put forth. I pray for Pastor Hagee and his followers (20,000 congregants & 99 million via other media) to be open to the truth from the Bible on this subject which is the basis of the Jesus ministry on earth. Many Christians have stated his book “In Defense of Israel” is pure heresy so we as believers should be willing to discuss this openly and honestly since his teachings are far reaching into the Christian community.
I think if you focus on the Bible you will be given the truth. Visions and dreams are fine if given by the Holy Spirit but they should not contradict scripture otherwise they are not from God. If a Christian pastor does not profess and teach that the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ then he is apostate and antichrist according to scripture. Why make up excuses to cover for a church leader who does not teach this to Jews and Gentiles alike who is a false teacher according to the bible and Jesus direct words. It is really very simple. Do not be misled. The very elect can be deceived if they do not discern spirits.
Serpents also are poikilothermic. Their doctrines change and shift with the prevailing times. When the prevailing times was to protest against Rome, they did so with zest. When the times pressurize on homosexualism, they oblige. They also are typically Laodicean, neither cold nor hot. It’s their preferred temperature, complacency, swinging with the times. They seek to avoid controversy by all means even when it means succumbing to evil, and their appetites is insatiable. As long as they are fed, they are at peace, their idea of peace. Every serpent head is the Devil. Serpents swallow other serpents whole, and leave no trace of the other.
I used to dream of these giant serpents, and their ways, until the Spirit taught me this about their reference to evil systems where the individuals must comply to the hierarchy, or be consumed. Individual will or contribution is not willed nor required but instead killed.
Hi John K,
Thank you so much for your comments. You have educated me a great deal and also confirmed, as well. This is very deep, discerning the snake and all it symbolizes. I praise the Lord for those that can break this down for such as me in such a succinct way. Snake systems…yes, makes me think about the mythological of Hydra and Medusa, and so one…snake systems that have perverted the truth for a lie.
The symbol of a giant snake in dreams refers to a system where the head is a tiny fraction of the body. The rest follow what the head has decided for them. They do not reason or analyze issues for themselves.
Almost all denominations are of this calibre. The members believe what their churches believe, and their churches, are that fraction of their leadership who have that mandate to steer the followers’ faith.
Not only churches but likewise movements and nations are also serpents of sorts. The serpent is the worst kind of system, as individuals fail to reason for themselves.
Its also contrary to God’s will, where the head of the church is Christ himself. Every member of the church of Christ receives instructions directly from the head, to carry out their specific and complimenting functions.
With the serpent system, that head is not Christ, and the rest of the body slithers after the head, whether and especially in ways of error. Destroy that head, and the system ceases. Misguide that head, and the rest of the system follows without question into error. These serpent systems have elaborate hierarchies and echelons through which ‘the spirit’ is structured to work. With God’s church, every soul is the conduit of the Spirit, and every soul equally answers to the head directly. As with the human body, any organ is directly communicating consciously to the head.
One sure way of identifying Serpent systems is their insistence of spiritual hierarchy, whereas in truth there is only one Mediator between every man/woman and God. In these, they establish heirachies of forms if mediation.
The perfect example of the Serpent, is the Devil, who indeed was called the old serpent, because he heads the entire retinue of evil beings, who choose to follow evil because they are too forlorn to reason for themselves. Had evil beings directly engaged reason with their creator, they’d sooner learn of goodness and abandon their ways of evil. The Devil is well pleased in the Serpent systems as it is ignorance they glorify with blind loyalty, which tools easily render them easy to be manipulated to evil.
Serpents also swallow their prey with their mouths, which signifies words of deception. If you are not part of the serpent system, the serpent seeks to make you its prey. These churches main agenda is to prey on its followers, mint wealth out of their misery and fears.
Identify them for yourself and its easy. They will not consider feedback from you but will always be giving ‘guidance’ and receiving/asking of your material wealth. If you only believe a doctrine because that is what your church believes, and can’t explain that doctrine indepently, most likely you have been swallowed and digested into the serpent system. If your explanation of any such doctrine is according to the book of that system too, certainly you have been brainwashed well to conform acceptably to that system.
God’s way is that we reason and query all aspects of faith and doctrines for ourselves, and that we rely solely on him as our head.
Escape and flee far from giant serpents.
John k,
i made a comment on Linda Clay’s, supernatural provision article. I suppose I could have posted it here, as it seems to fit under this heading, sort of a continuation of this article.
What I did not include in the comment there was during the dream after some of the segments of the dream, as I started to wake up and go back to sleep, I saw a snake. It grew each time and became a large hooded cobra that tried to strike me.
I know that the dream, and the intercession around it is a larger message for the church, I recalled that you had written about the serpent systems. So, in the dream about apostasy and spots in the love feast, I knew that the Lord was showing me a picture of this scripture, ” O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” .( Matthew 12;34)
I have come away from organized religion, not out of hurt, but I have come to understand there is much pollution out there, witnessed it, and left. I am not talking about pointing out flaws in the brethren, but flaws in the doctrines of men that build upon there own, rather than upon the doctrine of Christ. Praise the Lord. I do have a spiritual home church group on the west coast and another a few hours away. I come here to this site for edification, confirmation, and to hear how like minded of the Lord are being led through these perilous times.
.No man is of special favor and standing so as to bring worship to self, at the expense of the flock.
Yes, you speak the truth…flee far from giant serpents.
Delia,
I am not sure if you are addressing me or someone else, but yes we must have discernment and walk in as much light as God gives. I believe that where ever we are there is something to be learned, and as we go we ask for wisdom, knowledge, understanding. Most of the time we get knowledge, understanding follows that, and wisdom usually comes with maturity. It’s not about age, or length of salvation…but more of depth and growth.
Delia. Pray to God and see what he shows you about Donald Trump. He showed me Donald trump standing on the top of a mountain saying “SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE.” That’s all I saw.
There are visions and spirits you have to discern and not all are from
God. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. Some reknowned pastors and Christians are supporting Donald Trump and Ted Cruz without knowing their true character. You have to look at them as a whole over many years and their financial and personal associations etc.
Why is pastor Hagee a wonderful man of God if he does not use his ministry to bring the Jewish people to salvation in Christ? Is that what the apostles were called to do? Is that not what Jesus preached? Please explain why he would not do this.
Delia I am thankful to be under the leadership of Pastor John Hagee and Pastor Matthew Hagee. When I get home I will go to Pastor Hagee and ask him if he can give me an answer to your question. All I can say is I prayed about where I should go to Church. I had two dreams instructing me to go to Cornerstone Church. After the second dream even my pastor sent me there with his blessings. I obeyed the voice of the Holy Spirit. Maybe you should pray about this and ask God yourself. God bless you.
Hi Delia,
Thank you for your comments. I do not know much about Hagee, except I bought the Blood Moons book as a quick reference to the dates, however I did not read it in entirely. However, I had a friend from Texas that some how adopted the idea that the Jews did not need to accept the message of Christ, as there was a dispensation for the Jews. She departed from the faith years ago with a step in Hebrew Roots movement, then total immersion into Jewish religion. She did not just go to temple to learn Hebrew, or learn about the history of Jesus’ times, no, her intent was to migrate to Israel which she did as a Jew and holds dual citizenship. Even so, she was not accepted there and had a very difficult time of it, and came back.
So, I don’t know if this falls into dispensations, or christian zionism…I just don’t know enough about that aspect to make a comment about that. I do know and have had fellowship with Messianic Jews and found such a profound joy in them…the coming home to Jesus.
Since the times of the crusades, the Jewish people have been persecuted and even killed by those carrying the symbol of the cross. Even today, there are countless websites where supposedly Christian people post very anti-Semitic statements. For these and other reasons, the best way to minister salvation thru Christ to the Jewish people is to show them the truth and love of the Christian heart. Pastor Hagee stands as a witness of Christ by showing them the fruits of the spirit. How many people have been brought to Christ because they saw something in the Christian life of another and then they desired to learn and know more about it.
How wonderful is the Lord’s care!
I forgot to mention that my daughter is continually asked to go to the local awana and although Jesus has showed us in the past not to have our children in the children’s ministry at this particular church due to one of the teachers having witchcraft…I let my children go one night because my husband was working late and I was tired and thought what harm could happen in just one night of going to awana. That night I was reminded by the Lord two times about the children’s teacher and how He told us not to have our children in her care/teaching. Well I didnt listen and went home after dropping them off to rest on the couch and couldn’t rest because of constant wondering about them and repented the whole way to pick them up. The next day my daughter tells me of a scary dream she had and to save time I will just share the interpretation.
A spell from false religious person had been put on her friend who invited her to awana and the Holy Spirit and gifts of the Spirit helped her from having the spell come to her and also was the only way to try to save her. It was a powerful lesson from that dream which shows God’s mercy to work all things together for good when we repent. It also goes to show the importance of the Holy Spirit and gifts…listening and taking heed to the Holy Spirit that in the natural going to the local awana or local building church may seem godly and good it always needs to be tested by the Spirit.
let’s see if this is a better way to say that what I tried to draw.
Women tend to use manipulation and into intimidation and men tend to go from intimidation to domination, but it can go any way depending upon the spiritual situation.
Hi Morton,
This is what I have learned for testing the spirit. I call it the dimmer switch for testing the light.
D for Domination, I for Intimidation, M for manipulation. Easy way to remember is DIM, as there is darkness here, warning, there is darkness here.
It usually manifest as manipulation, intimidation, domination in the toxic body, and personally in people like this:
Women Men
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manipulation intimidation domination
When any of these are in operation in a person or body of believer’s you can be sure something is not right and to pray for discernment. And then pray about deliverance for the Church. If all are in operation…run!
When I am writing small c church I am speaking of the remnant, while when I am writing organization I write big C Church. Sometimes the small c is within the large C, and feels led to stay, but sometimes the big C Church has become so toxic that believers flee. Same with relationships. I have learned to not have to answer to people that seem to want a confession of some sort. They try to lord it over…and it does not come from the Lord, but from immaturity, worldliness, and rebellion.
Had you not left, you would not have known or discerned how rebellious the situation was, because the attacks and hounding happened after. The Bible tells us that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
Yes agree thank you. My “friend” was actually pastors wife from another church building not the one I had been going too, but oddly enough the one I had been going to the reason I left was because of the intimidation/domination of the male pastor….but actually The LORD was speaking to us not to be committed in any church at that point but because I couldn’t fathom that or understand how that could even be biblical we got more and more involved in this church and finally it took the intimidation/domination of the pastor to get us out where the LORD wanted us to be in the first place.
Hi Morton,
I am reminded of this scripture.
Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
Great words and commentary. I could see the poison inside. I actually faced a snake but it was a green mamba- it took one look and slithered away. He turned away, fast. Resisting lies can be costly but worth it.
I have worked in and out of organized and disorganized. Good people trapped in both. Absence of love and true care , along with no Holy Spirit is noted. There are some you just do not want to fellowship or keep company with. Pride and deception are bed fellows. People stay in toxic deception because of the social aspect= i guess they get something of it?
Stay away from pride and pursue love, this is key. The deepest things of God are REALLY simple. Prophetic folks we have to guard against pride also. One of the things to get over is rejection when people do not receive something from God. Its is easy to carry rejection when God wills us to carry his love. Basically all ministry is God’s love.
The organized system overplays their hand. They over emphasize their Sunday or Wednesday- their programs. My conclusion is many 1,000,000s of people have ministry OUTSIDE of the meeting hall. Because of the clergy over emphasis, they get discouraged. We have to shake off rejection, bitterness, harsh words and get healed. God is doing it! Also, sometimes God is using the uncomfortable nature of these churches….to get us moving in the proper direction.
God is helping us link with the right people, right place, right time. Forsake pride, pursue love. Even the deepest prophetic stuff is born from the love of Christ- even the warnings 🙂 Even the shakings come from God’s love. I LOVED “stay low” because the humility is part of love. The danger in all prophetic is just thinking we are better than everyone else. I have been there before (not there now 🙂 God has to help all of us to separate truth from lies and STILL love people. Its not easy– takes God’s Spirit! It is easy to let rejection drag us down (pulls us into reaction). I admit, after seeing the deception your wrote….it takes the hand of God to handle the different types of people pulled in. Takes wisdom.
I had a better word typed, but it disappeared during 8000 miles away and something happened.
“Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.” 1 Cor 8:1
Alot of deception covered churches present a “corner” on the market of whatever their pet doctrine is.
“That our love will grow in all knowledge and discernment.” Phil 1:9 Somehow simplicity of love reveals. Recently, i have been refocused on this foundation. It is also in fellowships over run with deceit.
Thanks for the commentary, thanks for the WORD Karen! Great comments.
Hi JM,
Nice to hear from you. You are correct in what you have written. What some of these experiences should speak to people is that they have, indeed, been set free! I wrote about a church that split and when it was all over I asked the Lord why he led me there? What came into my spirit was this: So you could see this happening and learn discernment. I documented above the comments about this.
I love the Lord and I love the church. Even when I moved on for one reason or another, I took a bit of it with me in my heart. I have moved around a lot, and always been overjoyed to be where ever it was, and for whatever reason I was there (sometimes it’s not evident at first), I have been in home church that I love for the smallness and intimate quality of it, and I have been in larger congregations that have other qualities.
I was in a wonderful anointed church for several years. I was involved with intercessory prayer. One day I was speaking forth how great it was when other said, It’s great but beware of the lady with the knitting needles. I chuckled at the time, but it stuck with me. Test all things!
I love God’s Church. I have learned something from each church that I have attended. The first Church I learned about God’s grace. At the second Church I leaned about community outreach and acts of reaching out in love in our community. I was treated strangely when the Holy Spirit started giving me dreams, but I love this Church still and the pastor as well. At the third Church I learned Prayer warfare. What a wonderful pastor. What a good man this pastor is. But again I felt I could not ever be free here. I prayed and asked God where I should God and God sent me to Cornerstone Church where I learned the word of God and world outreach and to speak up in defense of Israel. I still attend today when I’m in Texas. Truthfully I love all of the Churches and all of the people in the body of Christ. I do pray for unity in the body of Christ. I do pray for Gods will to be done though us all and through our kids as well. I praise God and I pray for all pastors all over this world. I pray that God protects them all and that God protects their families and that they are good Shepherds over their flocks. I thank God for good shephards who feed the flocks. May God bless all these mighty men and women of God. Oh how I love them and oh how I appreciate the love they have sown into my kids and I.
I had a “friend” who was my friend when I was at the church building but when she learned we no longer went to the church building, she began to attack me. It wasn’t until 2 weeks ago that I connected the dots to her “prayers” being actual witchcraft on our family. Another friend of mine recognized this “friend’s” prayers for God to change our hearts to come back to the church building as witchcraft. Well, I have been having HORRIBLE allergies and I connected the dots that the allergies started at the same time this “friend” of mine found out that I wasn’t going to the church building. So upon connecting the dots, I prayed against the witchcraft/prayers AND now I am free from sickness/allergies! hallelujah!
When our “friends” manipulate and control that is not friendship its witchcraft.
Morton. According to Mathew 18:18 Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. I bind all word curses and witchcraft against your family and you and against my family and I and against any person reading z3news in Jesus name. based on Gal. 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” Plus the bible says you can not curse what God has blessed. Numbers 23:8″How can I curse those whom God has not cursed? How can I denounce those whom the LORD has not denounced?” May the Deuteronomy blessings be upon all the people on z3news and their kids and family in Jesus name. I pray that everyone on z3news and their kids and their families do the perfect will of God.
Dual covenant teaching by Hagee seems NON-biblical to me. Lessons to self to check posts before sending! I bought some of Hagees books on prophecy before I researched his Jewish ministry further.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through Jesus. All Israel will be saved when they see the holes in Christ’s hands, feet and side at His second advent, or His return after the coming tribulation. Zech. 13:6; Rom. 11:26.
Hi Robert,
The verse that comes to mind is this:
Isaiah 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Yes I do agree with that Robert.
What about now at this time? What about the Jews alive right now? They should not die without knowing the salvation of Christ? Why keep it out your ministry if you love the Jews? It is not biblical to exclude preaching to Jews of Christ’s salvation.
Conversion to belief in salvation to Christ is not taught to Jews under Hagees ministry……to clarify.
Pastor Hagee does not preach covers or salvation to the Jews in his outreach ministry in support of Israel which is dual covenant theology. I do think that is biblical.
God is very pleased with Pastor John Hagee and Matthew Hagee. I’m 100% sure of this. This was shown to me in a dream. These are mighty men of God. I did not ever watch them on TV. God spoke and directed me where to go.
John Hagee is a great man and was blessed with a great son in Mathew who is living up to his dad’s standards. I had always thought he was a Baptist but recently learned he is something like a 5th generation Pentecostal preacher who can trace his lineage back to the Mayflower. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Delia when I get home I will go to Pastor John Hagee and see if he will answer this question for you. God bless you.
Please read his book “In Defense of Israel” and see what you think of his opinion that Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah for the Jews. That is simply not true according to scripture. To promote the idea that Jesus’s claim to be Messiah was only for Gentiles and not meant for Israel is apostate and antichrist-like according to the Bible. We can certainly pray for pastor Hagee to repent and stop misleading Christians by his false teachings. I know in other areas his teachings have been more biblical but all people can be led astray. Why have a ministry to help
Israel and raise millions of dollars if you are not actively teach in the salvation of Christ to the Jews. Paul went to
synagogues to do this on Sabbath and many rejected his testimony. Other apostles continued the church in Jerusalem after he left for Asia. We must go by Gods word only and not listen to false doctrines.
Amen Delia! Thanks for pointing this out. I had not even heard about it since I don’t follow his ministry. We must study the scriptures and follow them over the teachings of any man.
Is it possible the man himself is misled or mistaken? One cannot repent unless one knows and understands that he or she is guilty.
A man who has been blind from birth may not have any perception of color and may insist there is no color, and he would be wrong. Does his flawed understanding make him a liar and false teacher or just a man with a flawed understanding?
I did not know such and such about the man. I think perhaps it would be wiser to pray that his eyes are opened to the truth of the scriptures.
Isaiah 37:29
Because thy rage against me, and thy tumult is come up into
mine ears
. The rage which Sennacherib expressed both by Rabshakeh, and in his letter against Hezekiah and his people, is taken by the Lord as against himself; so great was his care of them, and concern for them; and indeed there was a great deal of blasphemy belched out against himself; and so the Syriac version renders the next word, translated “tumult”, “thy blasphemy”; though that may rather intend the blustering noise that Rabshakeh made, or the noise of the Assyrian army, the chariots and horsemen, and the multitude of the soldiers, which was not only heard by the Jews, and was terrible to them, but was taken notice of by the Lord, who had it in derision; hence he adds: therefore will I put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips;
comparing Sennacherib to leviathan, or the great whale, or to some very large and unruly fish, not easily caught and managed; see ( Job 41:1 ) ( Ezekiel 29:3 Ezekiel 29:4 ) , or to a bear, or buffalo, in whose noses men put iron rings, and lead them about at pleasure; and also to a horse or mule, which are managed by the bit and bridle; signifying hereby the strength, fierceness, and fury of the Assyrian monarch, and the power of God to restrain him, which he could easily do: and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest;
from Jerusalem, the same way he came to it, to his own land again, and so he did, ( Isaiah 37:37 ) .
I keep being lead back to this verse, it is explained here on Gills Bible Commentary
Hi Marilee,
The Bible tells us that those that set snares will fall in them. Yet, God is able to protect his own.
Psalm 141:9
Keep me from the snares which they have laid for me, and the gins of the workers of iniquity.
Proverbs 26:27
Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.
Psalm 57:6
They have prepared a net for my steps; my soul is bowed down: they have digged a pit before me, into the midst whereof they are fallen themselves. Selah.
Karen, PRAISE God for our salvation through the shed blood of Jesus OUR Lord and Savior. Thank you God for protecting your own. I praise you God and I thank you God for protecting my kids and I and my family. Thank you for building an ark for us in Jesus.
Based on Matthew 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” I bind all word curses spoken against myself and my kids and my family and any people on the z3news as well. I send angeles with flaming swords to root up all word curses and sever them and to send them straight to the abyss in Jesus name. I declare and decree all word curses null and void by the shed blood of Jesus based on Gal. 3:13 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” I thank you that you are our protector God of anyone who has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior and who has repented of their sins is saved.
It’s funny how some people, even some members of the body of Christ, don’t believe that God has the power to change lives and save people but that’s the reason Jesus came and the reason he shed his blood on the cross.
I had a dream where I saw a woman fall into a pit. I clearly recognized this woman and her daughter in my dream. I believe this woman tried to set a snare for others to fall into, but God showed me that because she did this she was going to fall into this pit herself along with her daughter. I truly hope they repent so this does not happen to them, but in my dream I did see this. If God shows you to stay away from certain people in a dream then by all means follow the lead of the Holy Spirit. Just as Joanie was told to take off that wedding dress follow the lead of the Holy Spirit. God will protect his own. All we need to do is to trust and obey God and to do the will of God and to let God take care of us. Hopefully we all learn to love one another. The gift of prophecy is nothing without LOVE.
This woman is a busy body. Now I do not wish this for anyone. Repentance is far better. All we need to do is stay focused on doing Gods perfect will and pray that other people do this as well. But if they fail to repent then what you wrote will come to pass. God
I am going to be about my fathers business and trust God to deal with people causing division in the body of Christ. Just as God showed Joanie in her dream to take off that wedding gown. If God shows me something then I’m going to follow the lead of the Holy spirit. I am going to stay busy doing what God calls me to do. God is showing me to Get into the ARK. God actually gave me a dream and he showed me a women that I know and her daughter as well falling into a pit. This woman was always getting into other peoples business and stirring up strife. God truly does protect his own. Just as he showed Joanie in her dream that he would protect her and he told her to take off that wedding dress. If God shows me something I’m following his lead.
Hi Laura,
Thank you for the prayer.
Yes, I am reminded of scripture that tells of those that run around always learning yet unable to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 3:6,7
For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth
James 1:26,27
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain. 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
That is so true Karen. God’s word is so full of wisdom. I pray that all of us retain the knowledge of truth found in God’s word. I pray that God is every single man and woman’s matchmaker on z3news just as he was the match maker for Rebekah and Isaac. That truly was a match made in heaven.
Let the women on this sight be strong and full of faith and obedience to God’s perfect will. Proverbs 31 women. My kids are fatherless. Their father passed away. We are in New York helping a dear friend who is a widow. We came here to help her in her time of affliction. Her name is Karen. God has been so good to watch over us all.
I don’t date. I raise my kids which is a full time job. I pray that we all keep ourself unspotted from the world. I have faith that God will finish the good work he has started in us. I praise God and thank God for leading and directing my path daily. God is great and wothy to be praised.
I prayed for weeks asking God where to go to church. God finally gave me a vision of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio. I could see Pastor John Hagee and his son Matthew Hagee preaching in the church in my dream. I started going to this Church and I truly loved it. There was so much mercy and love there. These men are Gods Generals. They support Israel. Hearing the messages was such a blessing every week. When I told a local pastor in my community that God showed me to go to Church in San Antonio he said that does not make any sense. Church is a big family. It’s very difficult for you to get connected when you go to a church two house away. It was actually a four hour drive for my family. Well I listened to the local pastor and I stopped going to San Antonio. Then God gave me a second dream. This time I heard an audible voice in my dream say, “Go to Cornerstone Church. You will be given a job.” I heard a little more as well. This time I followed Gods instructions because I heard clearly what to do. God knows my family. God knew this was where we needed to be. Even if it was a two hour drive each way. I encourage everyone to pray and to ask God to direct you to your Church. Don’t decide this on your own. Spend time seeking direction from God. I can tell you for sure that God is pleased with Pastor John Hagee and with Pastor Matthew Hagee. He’s also pleased with Rob and Laura Koke from Austin, Texas. They will manage a home in heaven. God will show us who’s real and who’s false. God is our leader. Ask God don’t make the decision of where to worship on your own. Pray until you get an answer from God. Be prepared to not be excited at first. I truthfully complained about having to drive so far. I had to repent for that. Over time I found that God really did know how to feed my soul and he really knew where I should be. It was hard to connect being that the church was so far away with other believers, but my kids and I obeyed God and we had each other and we were fed the true word of God and we grew in our spiritual walk. God is great and worthy to be praised. I can testify that there are some wonderful Churches. We as members of the body of Christ must pray for our leaders so that they do not fall. They are first in line for Satan to take out. I thank God for directing my foot steps. He will direct all of our footsteps. Let God be the Leader who directs you to where you should worship. I do not think it is good to forsake the assembling together of believers. We need to be with other believers. But we need to be with other believers who really love and care for us like family. Church is family. We are suppose to truly love each other. Love is patient, love is kind, Love does not seek it’s own, Love believes the best in others, etc. Corinthians 13. I pray that God places each of us where we belong. If God shows you someone wishing you harm then leave where you are because that is not love. Walk away from people like that. I have been shown in the spirit who I should walk away from and I never stay there. If God shows me to leave. I leave. And God has shown me some people who wish my family and I harm. God has shown my daughter this as well. My daughter has the gift of prophecy just as her grandfather David who was a Pentecostal street preacher and prophet. God is great. God will direct all of our foot steps. It is his good pleasure to do so. Do not isolate yourself. God showed me that he wants us to love each other. This is important to God. God does not want us all alone with our families. He wants his believers together in unity and love. The body can not function if it’s parts are missing. It hurts like hell to even miss a fingernail. The head of the body is God/Jesus Christ. We are not to be all alone. Pray and seek direction from God. Do what God shows you and if there is someone wishing your family harm and God shows you leave. God will show you what to do.
Thanks Laura, I am taking this to heart.
Church members
move in and out of church Pews sideways like crabs. Some also have Bigger Claws than others to wrestle with doctrine and scripture. They can also disappear below the sand like crabs and reappear as as disguise.
HI Ned,
I hadn’t thought of that, but it seems apropos to the discussion. I recall at one church I went to went through a split. Someone new came along and got involved, ingratiated himself along with his wife, to the pastor. These two people got involved with church business, by way of wanting donations for more chairs. It didn’t seem outrageous, but it was sort of the name it and claim it expansion idea. The church was in the country and I couldn’t see where buying more chairs was going to add people that hadn’t come yet. These two then had the pastors ear and decided to save money by not having the church open all the time, particularly mid week. So, with some prodding the pastor allowed mid week to go to cell groups which was a disaster. I attended a couple and they became a gossip feast social. These two people became involved with morning intercession that was available daily at 6 am. People started to drop out as the discussions at the cell began to be gossip about what people were seeking in prayer. Next was the praise and worship. These two got involved with that and suggested changes that caused the praise and worship to break up and leave…and many people just left from the pain and confusion of it all. It took a long time for the pastor to get through all this with prayer and repentance for having been deceived. He was a man of God, and eventually was restored, but I never went back. This church at one time moved in the strength of the message of the Cross, Repentance and Deliverance. The pastor then himself experienced the depth of the message he had let slip away.
Hi, I get emails from Doug Addison. Just this morning he is inviting peopel to an online workshop to “detox” from the church experience. I am not trying to advertise for him, but connect someone who really needs the help.
http://dougaddison.com/detoxing-workshop/main/?utm_expid=71845318-1.2haviaZaQMuaHJnRzX-RGg.1&inf_contact_key=173e053b5bb1a1cf87bb919186e8f6bdd9d7afefaead03d0aef9d0e1d58a7e29
All Protestant churches have come back into the fold of the Roman Catholic church, which of course has long been the agenda of the R.C. church since Luther protested. Do not be confused about what has occurred, the Vatican has worked slowly and surely to regain the power it lost and has now taken it back.
All denominations, at their top level, are once again united with the R.C. church. Doubt this? Just Google all the meetings between top church officials and the Pope, as well as pics. You’ll be shocked. This is why every denomination teaches pre-trib at their seminaries and also why all churches have worshiped on Sunday for decades,
Sunday is Sun, the symbol for Lucifer. Light bearer. All who worship on Sunday are unwittingly mocking God and bowing down to Lucifer. Again, the Vatican orchestrated this as a seal of their authority over all protestant churches.
It is no different than the Illuminati all seeing eye on the pyramid on our money. They are flaunting it in our face, and still so many christians are clueless. Time to wake up and get out of Satan’s churches, despite there being christians at them.
Wow! You just shed light on a question that has troubled me for 2-3 weeks.
I’ve been contemplating whether to continue attending the “church” I’ve been (in frequently attending) for 3-4 yrs.
I recently decided to attend an ELCA Lutheran Church one Sunday. I’m more accustomed to Missouri Synod but had never walked in the doors of this church
Everything seemed more or less fine until they got to the Apostles Creed:
“I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy CATHOLIC church. ..”
Say what?
In all my years at the Lutheran Church, we used to say “The Apostolic Church” as part of the creed. I thought that was what Luther’s reformation was about…leaving the Catholic Church?
Time stopped at that moment. I completely lost track of the service. In my mind, I knew that if this is what they were “adhering” to, I could not return. I actually “fled” the building smack dab in the middle of communion.
I have prayed since that morning for clarity.
Catholic in th apostles creed doesnt mean th roman catholic chirch. It means the church universal.,
Hi Michael,
I believe that all of these things have been told to us through scripture. We know that there is a political/military beast, and a religious beast. The religious beast sets up the worship of political beast.
It was unprecedented that the Pope came here last year. And we are hearing now that O man may be lobbying for Secretary General of the UN. Seems that things are lining up for the Universal Church, and the Universal Government.
I’m kinda’ thinking that the most of the schism churches have held services on Sundays, pretty much throughout their respective schisms (I presume there must be a few exceptions).
As far as the R.C. church teaching or believing in a pre-tribulation rapture? Sorry, I’ve just gotta’ call this one as it is: that is OUT THERE.
Wow,
Ok let me tell you of my escape from a Church it was unplanned by me, totally planned by God. I loved my church they were like my family away from my family. I was in college.
Here is the story. I moved away to college and tried to join a sorority. I got in I was excited, but 2 days before getting big near my birthday my dreams were crushed as I was dropped from the sorority I was pledging. I was crying and praying to God. LORD just give me fellowship. I need fellowship or I’m going to die.
Next day I got in a huge fight with my new roommates, and not wanting to deal with them left my apartment and went to a room I knew i could get some peace and quiet while I studied for a midterm.
Some guys came in and helped me with my homework. I felt on my spirit ask where they go to church. So I did.
They invited me and I went the next day. It was not the usual church I attend but I thought i felt something I never felt before. During an alter call I was invited to receive tongues. As someone laid hands on me they read into my soul. I don’t know how they did this to this day, it could not have been the holy spirit or he would not have pulled me away. Anyways I was told a lot of the things i was just thinking. Like, you feel unloved and unwanted, you have a constant stream of rejection that follows you wherever you go. Where ever you go and feel like you don’t belong you almost get there but don’t make it quite all the way. (THIS IS BACKGROUND TO SHOW WHY I LOVED MY CHURCH AND DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE what was happening. ) anyways I cried told them yes all that is true they told me some other things I never told anyone. I made them my church that day. I went for a year. I was just getting involved in going to 3x a week services when I felt a nudge to step back. I thought my faith was being tested so I did not listen. There was a storm it had a lot of lightning I was in my car praying and reading my bible. I was reading about false shepherds in my devotional for that day. Next I watched my church get struck by lightning not once but 3 times. For some reason this did not phase me and I went inside. I spoke to the elders and told them to pray for me, they do not know the battle I am under, and how hard it was for me to go to that church that day. They prayed over me and as they reached the end of the prayer the whole room went black. I was fully expecting the rapture just happened and I was left behind when the lights came on and I saw a child and was relieved. I sat down and listened to the message after the 20 mins of music. They talked about revival in Wales and a lot about statistics. Than I wanted to get more involved with the church so i had lunch with the pastor. Asked him what he thought about Jesus second coming and why he never mentioned it in the time I got there. And he said he wants to teach revival not judgement made sense to me. As I was driving home I heard audibly don’t go back there. I could not understand so I went home and read my bible. Than the next week as I was driving I heard turn around or you in direct disobedience to me. I did not go to that church that day or ever again. That night the lord revealed the Khundallini spirit to me. I never knew about it or had even heard about it. I realized I had never heard the gospel at my church not once. I researched further and was shocked to learn my church was NEW AGE, but disguised as a Christian Church. I learned more about our sister Churches. As I read I prayed for deliverance and discovered why I felt so far from God when I was doing my best to seek him. I knew something was off just not sure what. Anyways God pulled me out of my church. I have not been back since.
When you talked about the serpent it reminded me of my experience. I have never felt closer to God and I don’t go to Church anymore but I do have fellowship. God bless everyone who reads this. May he give you courage in these last days he is moving amazingly.
Hi Eliesha,
What an experience! I am sure you will never forget it. Yes, the khundalini spirit is the same spirit of divination. It brings condemnation through demonic means to trap and ensnare. All of the new age christ seed goes with mystery religion and practices. That seed allowed to grow is a tare among the wheat.
What you wrote about those at your church began to tell you things, divining information, almost as if prophesying over you. It seems to me that what you were told about yourself in general is what all of humanity experiences at one time or another. Yet, God was also warning you. The Holy Spirit led you to take the next steps in discovery to find out what was wrong, and you obeyed and got free. Amen.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
In ancient times, and probably not so ancient cults, they believed snakes to have healing powers. They had cult temples for them, and the sick were taken there where snakes were loosed over them. These were named Asclepea after Asclepius, said to be the father of medicine. The sick person went to through a purification process and sacrifices were offered. Dreams and visions from the sick person were told to the priest that then would prescribe the nature of the illness through divination. Oddly, the symbol of snakes coiled around a staff is used to denote medical facilities and organizations to this day.
The myths surrounding the healing snakes and the healing arts is still prevalent. Asclepios from myth means ‘to cut open’.
@Karen Sue – This is a recurring theme. People are seeing reality through God’s eyes at last. Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light; snakes control not only the world system, but the churches, deceiving many.
@Carol – That was SOME dream. One you will never forget. That 2nd service… Ahem. That must have been a shocker! Entertainment Central. That’s how God sees it.
Hi Debra,
Yes, it’s amazing to see this recurring theme. Praise God that so many people are waking up. Yes, the adversary who is a fiery serpent that beguiles has been active since the beginning, yet God is able to lead His people to safety.
When I consider in the garden the fallen one was cursed to go on his belly, it is easy to understand the nature of the beast system. I guess snakes get a bad wrap, but the symbol of one is a good indicator that something is terribly wrong.
11-15-15 Prophetic Dream: I’m the guest speaker/pastor of a church needed for 3 services. 8:00 and 9:30 go well. I’m preaching the Word of God. Crowd listens and receives. There is praise music and prayer.
Then the 11:00 crowd files in. They are loud and restless. At a church service but not focused on God, just themselves. Loud, thumpy music has crowd out of their seats and gyrating. I’m puzzled. What I going on here? Why? I even call a young man to the front and gently chide him for doing 3 double backflips to a cheering crowd. It is clear he wants all the attention to be focused on him. Me: “You’re here to honor God, not show of your own skills, okay?” He doesn’t listen.
I wait to preach God’s word, but so much else is in the service. I keep waiting and waiting for them to want the word o God. I even have time to leave the service and go outside the sanctuary and chat awhile since I’m just waiting. I know time is slipping by, but when I go back in, there is now questions and answers about jobs and making money.
This thought at wakeup from Holy Spirit: “There’s no worship here. Only people gathered in a church building. No opportunity is given to preach.” I am broken-hearted for them — their worldliness. Their bodies are present, but that’s all.
Interpretation:
I believe the earlier church services represent the earlier times of worship in America where the word of God was preached in power and truth and God’s people ran to meet with him in his house of prayer and gospel.
The 11:00 service represents the modern worship experience where much worldliness has replaced a holy, reverent worship of the Lord. The Laodician church of Revelation who does not even realize that they are poor, blind and naked spiritually since they are so focused on the thing of this earth.
My note: If you are not at a church focused on Jesus’s atonement on the cross, God the father and Holy Spirit’s working today, then RUN FOR THE EXITS! God is coming for a spotless bride within the church body for his beloved son, Jesus…very soon. Don’t let any church body or religious spirit get in the way of right relationship with the lover of your soul: Yeshua/Jesus. If alter calls for salvation are not being made…LEAVE. If bringing souls into God’s kingdom is not of utmost importance: FLEE. One day soon, we must all stand in front of Father God individually and account for how we spent our time on this earth to further his son’s kingdom. It won’t matter which church building you attended or who your pastor was at that point. YOU WILL GIVE ACCOUNT. I pray you will stay very, very close to Jesus in these perilous times.
Hi Carol,
I know that I know, the dream I had back then was going to be fulfilled. I was allowed to see what I did to show me the dire straights the Church at large would be in some day in the future, exampled by the dream. Odd to think that the day has arrived and Church has become a placed of caged birds.
I recall from another dream that I had around the same time as this, a little poem.
Little bird in a gilded cage.
The door is open. You are free.
Fly to my high tower, fly to my tree.
I alone will feed you.
The little birds are believers. The door of freedom is also the door of discernment. We find our shelter in the tower of God’s grace, and sustenance in God’s tree of life, the Holy Bible.