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Prophetic Dream Reveals War Starting in Europe During Christmas Season

December 3, 2016 by Elizabeth Marie 119 Comments

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On November 26 2016, I dreamed it was Christmas time and I was in an old, beautiful theater building, in what seemed to be a huge, old European city.  There was a sense of festivities in the air.

I was upstairs on the second floor of the theater, getting ready to go on stage and perform with a few other people. I was very anxious, as I couldn’t remember my lines at all. I was trying to find my script, so I could rehearse.

As I looked up, I noticed there was a very large picture window at the end of the room, which overlooked the first floor lobby of the theatre.  I went to the window and looked down at the lobby. I saw crowds of people with children slowly streaming into the theatre.  I was quite upset, thinking to myself that this theatre is much bigger than I had thought, and that added to my anxiety of performing in front of such a large crowd.

My thought was quickly interrupted by something I saw in the crowd that caught my eye, some fierce looking soldiers with large rifles over their shoulders.  They were wearing berets and dark green camos. [I believe what I saw was part of the British army because of their attire].  They were on the outskirts of the lobby, slowly slithering into the crowd, trying not to be noticed. And no one else seemed to notice them, except me.

I realized there was some sort of an attack about to happen and that I needed to immediately go inform my colleagues. I ran and told them what I had just witnessed. We all agreed we needed to leave quickly without doing the performance and sneak out the lower back door. At this point it felt very much like the ‘Sound of Music,’ when the Von Trapp family had to sneak out right after their performance!

Once we exited the back door, we found ourselves immersed in a crowd of holiday shoppers. It was getting dark and the crowd was so thick that I quickly lost my co-workers and found myself alone.

As I was walking, I started noticing there were MANY armed soldiers all around, but again they were trying not to be noticed. It all seemed so normal, but I knew it was not!

Suddenly, the street lights started flickering on and off a few times and then completely went out and it became dark.  Almost, at the same time, I heard a loud noise from the sky and looked up and saw a silhouette of military airplanes flying low right over my head.  It seemed as if time stood still as everyone in the crowd was watching in horror at what was taking place.

We all stood watching the sky when suddenly out of nowhere there appeared a HUGE rolled up white SCROLL in the sky. It looked like a scroll from the Ancient of Days. It was much bigger than the jets flying overhead.  It looked supernatural, brilliant white against the bluish, black sky.

As I watched the SCROLL in disbelief, wondering what was happening all around, I noticed it was flying right towards me!  Before I could even move, it seemed to have somehow come close enough to touch or scrape my side. I fell down, feeling this tingling sensation on my leg and side. It was a very strange, strange sensation. I almost felt like my leg was starting to evaporate or something. At that point, I knew I was about to die.  Then I woke up in a panic!

Interpretation:

I believe this dream reveals war is coming and it will start in Europe during the Christmas season.  It confirms a dream I received a few years ago in which I was also in a war zone during Christmas time.

The sequence of events was similar to the breaking of the seals in Revelation chapter six because war preceded the appearance of a scroll in the sky. When the second seal is broken, peace is removed from the earth so men begin killing one another. When the sixth seal is broken, the sky is split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up. (Revelation 6:3-4 and 6:12-14). The appearance of the scroll in my dream could mean the next war will be the one that precedes the breaking of the sixth seal.

Scripture References:

3 When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come.”
4 And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him. (Revelation 6:3-4)

Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. (Revelation 6:14)

All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; all their host shall fall down
as the leaf falls from the vine, and as fruit falling from a fig tree. (Isaiah 34:4)

For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

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  • Elizabeth Marie

    Elizabeth is a wife, mother and special-ed teacher..... and most importantly a follower and disciple of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. After receiving so many prophetic dreams and night visions, she was led to start a blog so she could share more of what she has been shown. She became a Christian when she was a teenager, but it wasn't until 2010 that the LORD started giving her words, dreams and visions. A few years later, she started a Youtube channel called 'Latterrain333.' Her prayer is that her messages will be a 'life-line' to the FATHER, as we keep our oil lamps full and lit, while we wait for HIS soon return.

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  1. Florelle says

    October 15, 2020 at 5:07 PM

    I’ve been watching this dream. I saved it back in 2017? 2018? when I first read it. Considering how things are now in the UK and the strange rules our Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, is making, plus soldiers going door to door handing out C19 testing kits, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if this dream is fulfilled this Christmas 2020.

    Reply
  2. Estelle says

    October 30, 2018 at 1:39 AM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iubaSYNZg
    Other people have been having word about some sort of winter disaster. Even Rick Wiles has posted awhile back something happening in the winter time but not necessarily this year

    Reply
    • Gustavus Adolphus says

      October 30, 2018 at 12:14 PM

      Yes, Estelle, Rick Wiles has referred to that several times.

      Reply
  3. Henrik says

    January 28, 2017 at 11:12 AM

    In europe we are still waiting for the war. And nothing happens

    Reply
    • James Bailey says

      January 28, 2017 at 4:55 PM

      This dream revealed war starting during the Christmas season, but the year was not revealed. So far there has only been one Christmas since Elizabeth received the dream, so you have not waited long yet. Some prophecies recorded in the Bible remain unfulfilled after thousands of years, but they will be. We prophesy in part and know in part (1 Corinthians 13:9)

      Reply
  4. agostinho says

    December 20, 2016 at 6:50 PM

    prophecy fulfilled on 20/12/2016

    Reply
  5. Diane B says

    December 6, 2016 at 10:31 PM

    I really have a feeling, (The Lord didn’t tell me) that the wave of Muslims refugees relates to the verse in Rev 12:15-17 The serpent spewed water like a river to overtake the woman…Well in 2008, after I had a vision of the Statue of Liberty pulled in half and toppled, I had a dream. I saw the numbers, 2016, in bold roman type, and very thick. I said, “2016, I’ve got it Lord.” Then the numbers burst like an cement exploding. End of dream

    Reply
  6. Michael Perritte says

    December 6, 2016 at 7:04 AM

    Yesterday I read this post and simply asked for a dream or vision or some other form of confirmation. I’ve never had a dream about war or any type of attack although I’ve had many dreams over the past 3-4 years. Last night I had just such a dream. I don’t have any idea where I was or who was involved. All I know was that I was crouched down behind a tree looking at a building in which some type of gathering was taking place. Suddenly out of nowhere the building was attacked from behind me with gunfire and some type of rockets. It happened so quickly I really had no time to react as some of the men involved in the attack passed me. I thought to myself I’m dead and laid down in the brown leaves playing dead. It was as if they didn’t see me or I was invisible to them. The dream woke me up as it was quite startling to me.

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    • James Bailey says

      December 6, 2016 at 8:18 AM

      Wow, thanks for sharing that Michael. Sounds like a confirmation to me.

      Reply
    • sgd says

      December 6, 2016 at 9:32 AM

      I don’t want to believe that the US will have war on our soil. Especially, now that Trump is appointing so many wonderful choices to appointed positions. I keep thinking about Dr. Ellen Blackwell. She is now 102, she just recently retired (she was 98or 99) as senior pastor at Way of Faith Assemblies of God church in Fairfax, VA.

      She had an open vision several decades ago; she awoke to the sound of jets, bombs and helicopters. She thought DC was under attack. The Lord said to her that it was only “vision”, but that she would live to experience this event. He told her to prepare a place for those fleeing the DC area.

      She as given prime land at some point after this in West VA, very close to the VA border outside of Charlestown, WV. It was an old camp or boys home, I forget which, anyways, she traveled there every Sunday (90minutes)after ministering in VA. She was still doing this at 95. She has that place prepared with food, beds, linens and I’m sure water.

      She also has two homes on the Sea of Galilee where she and a group from her church travel several times a year to tell the Jewish people about Gog and Magog and how God will save them. I check every now and then to see if she is still living. She is!

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      • Peggy A. says

        December 6, 2016 at 10:35 AM

        sgd,

        Very interesting information about Dr. Ellen Blackwell. I never knew of her or her open vision. Thanks for sharing!

        We human beings tend to have a strong normalcy bias as well as cognitive dissonance. We really need to seek the fullness of the Holy Spirit on these things because the natural mind will have difficulty grasping the true import of many things.

        Here is something to consider and pray about, taking it to the Holy Spirit:
        “Warning Dream about Trump- All is Not What it Seems” (5/11/2016; with an updated video at the bottom posted on 10/28/2016).

        https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/5-11-16-warning-dream-about-trump-all-is-not-what-it-seems/

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      • Michael Perritte says

        December 6, 2016 at 11:32 AM

        That’s an awesome story! Sounds like Caleb full of fire and passion! DC is one of the cities the Holy Spirit spoke to me about coming under attack. I spoke about it here on Z3 within a vision I was given about an awakening in the church a few years ago. I believe this cleansing and awakening is necessary for us to prepare for the last harvest. As of right now we aren’t ready. Perhaps that’s part of the reason we have been given a reprieve but it is temporary and there is much to be done in preparation. I believe we have about two years to humbly obey and respond to the Holy Spirits promptings to be ready.

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  7. Matt NZ says

    December 5, 2016 at 7:31 PM

    Dawn’s heartfelt Corner prophetic word. 12-5-16 “God Is Getting Ready To Send A Wake Up Call!” at 4:55 mark

    ” A financial collapse is coming.” 7:44 mark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuUR2kWnvio

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  8. jerry rigg says

    December 5, 2016 at 1:27 PM

    Correct me if Im wrong but to say the interpretation of this dream with the scroll in the sky could mean the next war will be the one that precedes the breaking of the sixth seal…..isnt that presuming that the first five scrolls have already been broken? The book of Revelation has been given many different interpretations for sure, only time will tell which interpretation is correct, thus, let us all be prayed up and measured up for the hour is short!

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    • James Bailey says

      December 5, 2016 at 3:16 PM

      When the second seal is broken, peace is removed from the earth, which is the war that precedes the breaking of the sixth seal. So the events in this dream are consistent with the events in Revelation 6. This war has not happened yet. I believe all of the events in this dream are still in the future.

      Reply
  9. Peggy A. says

    December 5, 2016 at 8:03 AM

    “America, You Will Be Burnt From End to End” through JEFF BYERLY (Z3 Author)

    http://holyspiritwind.blogspot.com/2016/12/america-you-will-be-burnt-from-end-to.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Holyspiritwind+%28holyspiritwind%29

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    • Peggy A. says

      December 5, 2016 at 8:26 AM

      “Warning Dream for the United States- Explosion, Invasion, Destruction” through LINDA CLAY (12/12/2015)
      https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/12-12-15-warning-dream-for-the-united-states-explosion-invasion-destruction/

      Reply
      • Peggy A. says

        December 5, 2016 at 8:32 AM

        “Warning Dream for the United States- A False Flag Nuclear Bomb.”

        https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2015/09/11/9-11-15-warning-dream-for-the-united-states-a-false-flag-nuclear-bomb/

        Reply
        • Peggy A. says

          December 5, 2016 at 8:34 AM

          “Two Dreams of Fire” (8/23/2015)

          https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/8-23-15-two-dreams-of-fire/

          Reply
  10. Chloe says

    December 5, 2016 at 12:42 AM

    Last night I woke up around 1am and found out referemdum result was a No. I went to pray asking the Lord what I should prepare for. Then I went back to sleep around 2am and had a short dream. There was food shortage in Europe (eod). Though I was not shown when, I believe Europe is headed into food shortage in near future. Blessings.

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    • michelle gibson says

      December 5, 2016 at 7:48 AM

      Chloe, I had a dream a couple of years ago of a tilde wave hitting Europe, I do not
      know if it is symbolic or not but I think it is. In the dream the wave came suddenly and everyone had cleaned all the food off the shelves and had gone into underground bunkers.

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      • Chloe says

        December 5, 2016 at 9:23 AM

        Thanks Michelle. I have been careful with keeping money in the banks but have not yet “prepped” because I was not so clear what was to come upon Europe. Maybe He is telling me I have to start! Blessings!

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        • Rowena O says

          December 6, 2016 at 7:18 PM

          Chloe,
          I have not been shown to prep with food at all.I live in outer London.
          What the Lord HAS done is renew my relationship with Him when I had been running on dry for so long, in spite of all efforts. This restoration counts more than anything. I cannot guess what will happen, but just want to be used in the spiritual harvest, for as long as He keeps me, and to be taken to Heaven in His time.

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          • Susie says

            December 6, 2016 at 9:09 PM

            Yes, Chloe and Rowena. Since you are seeking the Lord, let Him show you if you are to store food or other items. He had me start preparing that way a year ago (completely against my normal nature to do)- however, I am in a remote setting and He showed me why I was to store with lots of confirmation. Immediately, i started telling all friends and family to do the same. One day, I told the Lord “they aren’t listening to me! They aren’t storing anything!” He very clearly said “I didn’t tell THEM to.. I told YOU to.” The only person who did was a sister, and only for the reason that she believes I hear the Lord. She ended up with an unexpected move away from Houston and had to deal with all of the food and water she had acquired. It was not the right timing for her to store anything. We have to be careful not to project our assignments on others.

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            • Savage says

              December 13, 2016 at 5:46 AM

              Is moving with food & water any more of a deal than moving old Christmas decorations or clothes or furniture or any other “stuff” with which we encumber ourselves?

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              • Katie Troutman says

                December 13, 2016 at 11:17 AM

                Savage,it absolutely is not! I know first hand! We had to make a decision to loose a lot of furniture and decorations and bring our food and water that God told us to acquire.

                I still miss some of our personal things but I know they pale in comparison to obeying the voice of God and being prepared.

            • Chloe says

              December 13, 2016 at 3:04 PM

              Thank you Susie. I have to prepare as I was given that dream after I asked him specifically what I should prepare for. I have very little cash that I have put aside and I have no idea what it is that I should buy or how much. Since I was not shown “when”, I want to make sure what I buy can last for some time. Any suggestions? I live by the largest lake in Italy (drinkable and super clean. so i think water won’t be an issue) and also by the Italian Alps (plenty of wood). Blessings!

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          • Jane UK says

            December 13, 2016 at 6:45 AM

            Rowena, I live in the Scottish Highlands, I was prepping, more out of fear, but it was causing me a lot of stress, and I live in a small crofters cottage, so there is no space at all to store. I have just recently donated everything to a local food bank, and I felt a weight lift from me. I am not saying that no body should prep, as the Lord will instruct each person individually, but for me it was wrong at this present time. The Lord has impressed into me though to learn all about growing my own food, what to forage for, how to harvest fire wood, and how to preserve food I’ve grown. A lot will depend on where we live and our surroundings. Blessings

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            • Rowena O says

              December 13, 2016 at 3:57 PM

              Thanks, Jane.
              For England, I think growing own food, foraging and preserving food etc, is a good way to go.Have just been watching retired military man John Moore who suggests that kind of preparation in the light of the Poleshift that will bring about huge climate change and loss of life shortly.
              The reason I am not to prep is because I have asked the Lord a while back if I can go home soon.
              Lance Lambert also said that England will eventually be brought back to her original estate-ie pre-industrial.
              Interesting that you were relieved after donating food to the food store.It’s about trust and obedience, isn’t it?

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      • Dorothy Degman says

        December 5, 2016 at 6:07 PM

        Hi Chloe and Michelle G. Michelle, your dream of a tidal wave hitting Europe jumped out at me, because of what the Lord has explained to me, regarding the raging of the nations. He told me that the raging of the nations is a type of spiritual manifestation of the waters roaring, which is talked about in Luke 21:25, “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves.”

        I was reading in the news regarding Matteo Renzi’s resignation as Italian Premier, and I thought to myself that the nations are beginning to rage, according to what the Lord had spoken to me. So, I asked the Lord if there’s anything I need to do to prepare, and He said that I need to store food. I didn’t believe that I was really hearing from the Lord, though, because every time I felt the need to store food, the Lord told me not to. Last year, before moving to Germany, I expected that we would experience a famine in America before my move. The Lord told me not to buy extra food to store, and He said that if I went ahead anyway and bought extra food, it would show that I didn’t trust Him. Turns out, there was no famine. We already had more food than we could eat, and were having to give it away when it came time to move. Also, when the German government recommended that every household have 10 days worth of food set aside in storage, the Lord told me again not to store any food.

        So when I heard Him say that I need to store food, I thought I was just hearing my own thoughts. The very next thing I did, though, after hearing the Lord’s instruction, was listen to this YouTube video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FA0r8KtAUvI

        And now I have come across both of your comments regarding dreams of a food shortage coming to Europe… The Lord certainly knows how to make Himself clear!

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        • Joe says

          December 5, 2016 at 8:22 PM

          James please have a look at the prophecy which Dorothy is mentioning. To say the least, it is mind blowing.Especially the last part about the recount in three states.

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        • Chloe says

          December 6, 2016 at 12:32 AM

          Thank you for the confirmation Dorothy! I mentioned my dream to my husband last night and I got severely attacked (he said I needed pscyhiatric help among other things that hurt) to the point I went to bed crying. But I will start preparing no matter what he says. Blessings to you!

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          • Matt NZ says

            December 6, 2016 at 12:59 AM

            I’m in the same boat in my house Chloe. You’re not alone as far as being awake and the other not just wanting to remain asleep but calling you crazy. Start stocking quietly. Instead of 3 bags of pasta buy 9.

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            • Chloe says

              December 6, 2016 at 3:57 PM

              Thank you, Matt. It is a comfort to know there are my sisters and brothers in the same boat. I will buy 20 bags! Blessings.

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          • Dorothy Degman says

            December 6, 2016 at 5:35 AM

            Oh, I can imagine 🙁 Your husband sounds like mine, unfortunately 🙁 I think that the Lord didn’t want me to buy and store food before now because of how my husband would react to it. After what will be happening in the US, though, he’s going to be quite a bit shaken and won’t have any arguments against it. I’ll be praying for you that the Lord will heal your broken heart and strengthen you to endure. God bless!

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            • Chloe says

              December 6, 2016 at 3:56 PM

              Thanks, Dorothy. I have calmed down and yes, I will pray and act in faith. Blessings to you!

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              • Peggy A. says

                December 6, 2016 at 5:32 PM

                Chloe,
                This has to do with your situation (in part):

                “A Sobering Thought About the Parable of the Ten Virgins” (12/4/2015).

                https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2015/12/04/12-4-15-a-sobering-thought-about-the-parable-of-the-ten-virgins/

          • Peggy A. says

            December 6, 2016 at 4:38 PM

            Yes, that’s a common response from the sleeping to the awakened.
            Do what you have to do. Ask for God’s help. Remember Noah must’ve been called a lot of names, and he was building that ark a LONG TIME.
            But, on the day of the storm, EVERYONE wanted to come “on board.”

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  11. john jo says

    December 4, 2016 at 9:55 PM

    after Italy poll , maybe there will be a war start in europe …..

    be prepared

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  12. Peggy A. says

    December 4, 2016 at 9:51 PM

    This post by KERRY ANN GIDDEN relates. She said she saw chaos starting in France, U.K., Germany, then the United States in that order.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA0r8KtAUvI

    Reply
  13. Carol says

    December 4, 2016 at 5:32 PM

    Here is another prophetic dream about the USA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNuQcgRCZLw

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  14. Carol says

    December 4, 2016 at 5:31 PM

    Amen Expat Gal. I remembered the first time I read about the Russians invading the USA was back in 2008. I can’t find the website where I read about that dream. But, I remembered it read we were going to be invaded during the holidays Nov or Dec. It will happen unexpected and people were unaware and unprepared for it. I also, remember queen Elizabeth and Francis Bergolio stating on national tv last Dec during Christmas that 2015 will be or could be our last Christmas. Coincidence? no

    Yesterday for some reason I was singing: Jesus Christ is coming soon. Come Jesus come. I kept singing this for at least five minutes. Blessings to all Z3!

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  15. Carol says

    December 4, 2016 at 5:20 PM

    Elizabeth, thank you for sharing this. God bless you!

    Reply
  16. Peggy A. says

    December 4, 2016 at 3:05 PM

    Here’s something unrelated to this article.
    However, I just posted it on a blog, and thought people here would be interested.
    What an amazing God we have!

    Is this just a genealogy filled with interesting names? Or is it something more? Now that we’ve found the root meanings of each name, let’s put them all in order:

    Adam – Man
    Seth – Appointed
    Enosh – Mortal
    Kenan – Sorrow
    Mahalalel – The blessed God
    Jared – Shall come down
    Enoch – Teaching
    Methuselah – His death shall bring
    Lamech – Despairing
    Noah – Comfort and rest

    Put those meanings into a complete sentence and you get: Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching. His death shall bring (the) despairing comfort and rest.

    And there you have it, in the names of Adam to Noah, a summary of the New Testament message – the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

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    • Stella says

      December 5, 2016 at 6:35 AM

      Yes Peggy, this makes sense. Our Lord God came down from heaven in order to rescue mankind He created but who are in despair through their sinful nature, being afflicted by the devil. Through His death and resurrection, anyone who believes even though dies, will have comfort and rest. He is our Comforter and Prince of Peace!

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  17. David Mann says

    December 4, 2016 at 1:17 PM

    Hi There James and z3crew,
    Just read this dream and seams so strange to me because last night I dreamed I saw 3 fighter planes grey in colour with what looked liked Russian badges on there tails flying past my mothers front bedroom in the clear blue sky,they suddenly banked left to fly round the house so I went into one of the back bedrooms and there they were and turned towards my mums house as though they were coming for me,so I ran down the corridor and crouched down at the top of the stairs and suddenly woke up wondering what on earth was that all about as I never have dreams where war might be involved and thought well we know according to your sight Russia will attack America but not the uk where I live then went back to sleep without praying about it.
    In the next dream I was in a dark place on my own ,no idea where when all of a sudden a big black bear came up to me with its mouth wide open ready to bite my left leg ,but it didn’t for some reason because it seamed as though there was some invisible shield there stopping it from doing so and I don’t recall feeling all that scared then woke straight up again feeling perplexed why I had these dreams ,as the black bear to me seamed Russian.
    I mentioned in church this morning and was told you have been eating to much cheese David.
    I just smiled at that even though I eat a cheese bagget the night before and pointed out God spoke to Daniel in dreams and still does today,but I was he doesn’t speak to people in dreams like that and got laughed at,so I took it on the chin and changed subject.
    Any dream experts on here,if you want to pray into this feel free as I don’t know what to make of it wether it’s some sort of Revalation from the Lord or just a couple of random dreams with no meaning.

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    • James Bailey says

      December 4, 2016 at 4:09 PM

      Hang in there David. God has spoken to His people through dreams and visions from Genesis to Revelation. He is still speaking today to anyone who has ears to hear. Sad to know that does not include the people at your church.

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      • David Mann says

        December 4, 2016 at 8:52 PM

        Hi There James and Crew,
        Many thanks for your answers to this dream and words of encouragement.
        I don’t want to give anybody the wrong impression that the Lord doesn’t speak to people at Carlton Pentecostal because he does in the morning afther songs and praise as words are given out to lift people up in there life at times through various people in the congregation.
        The lady in question why she didn’t believe this dream,I don’t know as the Lord as healed a condition in her eyes so she as know got good eye sight as she gave her testonmie tonight.
        I normally go to Trent vineyard at night times but stayed local tonight.
        I spoke to shaun the ministers son after about these dreams and pointed to your website on my I pad and he said he never heard of your sight but will look at this message given out during the week and told me the lady in church that usefully gets interpretations from the Lord about dreams his not here tonight so hopefully will see her next week in the morning service.
        As I read Elizibeths answer to my my dream I felt the hairs on both my legs stand on end and kind of knew there was some thing in this.
        I do live in Nottingham in the Midlands UK where I lived most of my life and found it intresting that your dream was located there.
        I had a quick look at your previous post Elizibeth and think the bear dreams could have a double meaning about awar and market crash.
        Italy go to the poles and if there is a no vote there prime minister will resine which could cause stocks to crash as well as financials,plus it could send one of Italy’s banks under that’s deep in trouble.
        If his happens Angeal Merkeal as said there will be no bank bailouts you will get bank bail ins in stead which will anger there Italians as they want The ECB to bail out these banks.
        Where it gets messy is if the Duecher bank went under possibly caused by a run on the 3 Itatian banks that are in trouble will Angeal Merkeal bail this bank out or stick to a bank bail in knowing full well if this bank went under you can kiss the German economies good bye as well as the eurozone which I think would fall in line with David Wilkersons word given to him 40 years ago.
        Could be a very turbulent week on the markets and maybe cause FAZ to take of at last. Other European counties as well will be voting at different times over the next year about wether to stay in the eurozone over the next year,should be quite intresting this story.
        A lot of info I’ve got about this is from Doug Cassy at Cassy research on his promo tail video as well as from Shia Gilanie At money map press and Keith Fizth Gerald.
        I’ve also read on Micheal Snyders website the economic collapse blog this week that
        Turkey have invaded Seryia this week to attack the Kurds so maybe this could cause the Russians to attack back and hit Europe even though I am speculating on this one.
        Thanks James for telling me to hang in there I appeciate that as my faith as been low for a while,it’s helped to lift me up.

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        • michelle gibson says

          December 5, 2016 at 8:00 AM

          David, I had a dream a few years back where I saw Germany having money problems and anyone that had money in the bank or retirement lost it because the government needed the money and came in and took it. In my dream it was about this older couple and they only had their retirement to live on and when the government started having problems they came in a took this couples retirement money and this couple lost everything including their house because they could not pay their bills.

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          • michelle gibson says

            December 5, 2016 at 8:12 AM

            David, another dream I had this past year was about the UK in that dream I was with a group of people going to a Bible study at a home when all of a sudden these planes came from out of no where and were spraying something that looked like rain but when it hit your skin it made red blisters on your skin. So we started running to the house for protection and the planes followed us and when I looked up the planes had formed a formation like a cross over the home and each plane had a British flag on the under belly of the plane. At the time I had no clue what it was about but yesterday I was reading an article about how ISIS fighters returning from Syria and Iraq are capable of using drones to carry out a chemical weapon attack in Britain. the chemical they have is mustard gas, so I looked up to see what mustard gas does to your skin and it makes red blisters. Just a fyi I do not know if this is what the dream means but it did make sense to me

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    • Elizabeth Marie says

      December 4, 2016 at 4:19 PM

      Wow, David! I don’t believe in consequences! You had this dream last night and James posted my dream last night. Interesting that you are in the U.K. because that is where my dream was located. There definitely seems to be a connection!
      Also, I have had many ‘bear’ dreams and in the latest one, the LORD showed me that it was relating to Russia. It is posted on this site, dated 11/30/6 and is called, “Prophetic Dream Reveals Large Bear Attack in Winter.”

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      • Liz W. says

        December 4, 2016 at 7:58 PM

        I just had a dream last night that hungry bears were coming in my home to attack my family and I, it didn’t look like my house though. I saw them coming from the window and shouted to my family members to warn them so we could close all the doors but we didn’t make it in time, the bears got in the house so we all ran to different rooms and shut the doors hoping they couldn’t get in the rooms where we were hiding. I remember being worried if my mom got into a room in time before the bears reached her. I woke up after that.

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      • David Mann says

        December 4, 2016 at 9:11 PM

        Hi There Elizabeth,
        I meant to say I find very intresting your dream was located in the UK and not nessasery where I live my mistake in earlier post.

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      • Brother Steven says

        December 5, 2016 at 3:38 PM

        Coincidences?

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      • Michael Perritte says

        December 6, 2016 at 9:31 AM

        Hi Elizabeth do you think there’s any chance an aspect of this dream could be attacks on churches? There’s a reason I ask. I had a confirmation dream last night in regard to your dream and I posted it on the comments here and the more I think about it and pray about it that’s where I’m leaning .

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        • Elizabeth Marie says

          December 6, 2016 at 5:57 PM

          Michael, I’m not sure. I did have a dream about the church that was similiar at the beginning of the dream. In this dream, I was visiting this VERY large church with stadium type rows and seating. I went upstairs to the top floor and looked down on the congregation. I noticed that all the chairs were removed and there were just rows and rows of people in sleeping bags sleeping!! When I awoke, I heard the words, ‘the church is sleeping.’ We also must remember that judgment starts with the household of GOD. Could it be that ‘we’ the church are the reason that things are in such a mess now??

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          • Michael Perritte says

            December 6, 2016 at 7:00 PM

            I’m not sure either. I just know I’ve never had any type of war/attack dream. After reading yours I asked for one as confirmation and it happened.

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            • Elizabeth Marie says

              December 6, 2016 at 9:46 PM

              Wow! That is pretty amazing and a definite confirmation for me too!

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          • Michael Perritte says

            December 13, 2016 at 7:30 AM

            I still believe an element of this is attacks upon the church. Especially considering an aspect of your dream was a sleeping church.

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          • Michael Perritte says

            December 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM

            Do you feel that you have received anymore understanding of this dream yet? Perhaps what I’m feeling impressed upon me is a prelude to your dream or a time marker. I continue to feel that there will be attacks on the churches in Scandinavia. In the confirmation dream I had after reading your dream the attackers looked like Boko Haram.

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            • Elizabeth Marie says

              December 14, 2016 at 6:25 PM

              Hi Michael! No I haven’t received any further revelation or interpretation. However, I continue to get bear dreams and the last few have been about Russia.

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          • Michael Perritte says

            December 22, 2016 at 1:44 PM

            I just saw where ISIS told followers to attack churches for Christmas.

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        • Scott says

          December 12, 2016 at 9:51 PM

          Michael, Christian Church is bombed in Cairo, Egypt on Sunday killing at least 25 people…mainly women and children. http://www.trunews.com/article/terror-bombing-massacres-christians-in-cairo

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          • Michael Perritte says

            December 13, 2016 at 4:07 AM

            I saw that and hope it doesn’t become a trend over the next few weeks.

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    • Peachey says

      December 6, 2016 at 9:47 AM

      I know that a lot of people interpret Russia attacking in the physical, but just before the Lord moved me to the Ozarks he said, “the US will become like Russia, there would be no difference.” I think something will happen to where all governments of the world will be forced into communism to survive, because they won’t be able to resist. Nor will they be able to come up with a different plan. It will be forced upon the people.

      Should the world financial system collapse laws will be enacted that will change our way of life. I do believe famine is coming, and we need to be prepared for it. When you look at the drastic changes that took place during the communist takeovers famine was in the land and food became scarce. Food will be used to control the people.

      That’s my interpretation.

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  18. christine says

    December 4, 2016 at 1:12 PM

    justgivesummaryNovember 30, 2016 12:26 pm
    http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=17056
    Chuck pierce “There is only a short, 10-year window for this revival.
    2016 + 10 = 2026
    let us summary
    Neville Johnson gave some thought that second coming of Jesus Christ is before 2030 .
    Terry Bennett: 21-year Prophetic Timeframe 2008 to 2028
    2015-f 2021, GOVERNMENT AND POLITICAL SHAKINGS:
    2022 – 2028 , RELIGIOUS SHAKINGS:
    any thoughts, anyone like to discuss

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    • christine says

      December 4, 2016 at 6:31 PM

      that is just basic math. 2000 years from death of jesus on cross in 30 AD
      the Lord also said the time would be cut short for the sake of the elect or no one would survive
      modern prophets keep putting off the date when their earlier predictions dont come true.
      I do not think religious shakings and happy revivals are what we should focus on
      we are coming into deep trouble even now
      ” that is just basic math. 2000 years from death of jesus on cross in 30 AD ” so it is conceivable ? Jesus is coming back on the 3rd day
      any thoughts, anyone like to discuss

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  19. Peggy A. says

    December 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM

    Word through ALI WINTERS (awatchmanonthewall)
    SATURDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2016

    ‘But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.” Revelation 2:4
    “My children are weak. You have left others to fight the battles while you sat in padded pews soaking in but seldom giving out. In your desire to be loving and tolerant, you have become ineffective and lax, your messages a watered down, poor imitation of My Word. You have offered the world nothing of value so millions mock, ridicule and ignore the gospel as you build bigger and better in an attempt to be relevant.

    Where is your passion? Where is your heart for the lost? Rise up oh men (and women) of God. Reach the lost through the truth found only in My Word.”

    “Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, “I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,” so that we confidently say, “THE LORD IS MY HELPER, I WILL NOT BE AFRAID. WHAT WILL MAN DO TO ME?” Hebrews 13:5-6
    “Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.” Matthew 26:41
    “He gives strength to the weary, And to him who lacks might He increases power. Though youths grow weary and tired, And vigorous young men stumble badly, Yet those who wait for the LORD Will gain new strength; They will mount up with wings like eagles, They will run and not get tired, They will walk and not become weary.” Isaiah 40:29-31

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    • Peggy A. says

      December 4, 2016 at 9:53 AM

      ALI WINTERS’ word above correlated directly with this 12 and 1/2 minute video by KIM HILTON. It’s something to think about.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDTidb6CKNE

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      • Marie Gibson says

        December 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM

        Love Kim Hilton. She’s definitely right on que.

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  20. Brandon Jenkins says

    December 4, 2016 at 9:34 AM

    Reading the comments here, I see I’m not the only one interested in timing. Having the same feeling in my spirit as well I can offer some clues that God has given me for the next few months. God allowed me to see I was still painting in 2017 (I have a small painting company). This past summer as I was working I walked out of a room I was working in and He showed me that in late January/early Feb 2017 I was still painting but it was no longer lucrative. It was almost like a part time second job I did on weekends….second, a man who worked for me for 3 years who also receives dreams and visions recently left to work for a medical supply warehouse. God told me to tell him to have his resume ready in August. He did and in September he saw a sign for open interviews. He is now in walking distance from his house and obviously in a good industry knowing war is coming…lastly I had a dream. Gas at my usual place has been about $2/gal for many months now. In the dream I notice it went up to 2.25. Caught my attention but didn’t think much of it until I turned down the street and another station was selling for mid 3s. While my rational mind was wondering why someone would pay so much more when it’s cheaper down the street, I saw another gas station and this one was already in the $4s and going into $5 a gal…this happened very fast… And on December 1st gas reached $2.25 at every major gas station near me overnight. I don’t know what’s going to happen but late December has been on my heart. God gave me a particular day but told me to “wait for instructions” when I asked why He gave it to me. Hope this helps someone

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    • B. Hansen says

      December 4, 2016 at 2:40 PM

      Just this morning I read a headline on my local news website ‘OPEC agrees to cut output in bid to push up oil price.’ I told my husband “we have been warned”. Looks like we are in for a wild ride. Thank heavens God takes care of us. His promises are all through the Bible.

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    • R C says

      December 4, 2016 at 3:37 PM

      Haggai 2:20-22 (12/24)

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    • Expat gal says

      December 4, 2016 at 10:15 PM

      Hi Brandon – interesting dream & very helpful. Further affirmation of your dream – gas going to $6/gallon! http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/12/01/gas-is-going-to-6-a-gallon-opec-part-of-plot-to-collapse-us-economy/

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      • Brandon Jenkins says

        December 5, 2016 at 8:12 AM

        Thank you!

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  21. Ddave says

    December 4, 2016 at 9:16 AM

    Wow. Seven years ago when I started hearing the voice of the Lord, the first thing he said was the answer is in the scrolls. I knew in my spirit it was something ancient and more than just in the Bible. That it was the scrolls of our days or timelines if that makes sense. He has recently told me we were moving from seven to eight, a new beginning. I believe something very big is coming at Christmas because of what he is telling me and showing me, down to the very same Sound of Music movie that came in tv out of the blue last week. It was magnified to me then and now you mention it here. Last night He also told me to prepare to leave my home. Such confirmation. Thank you for sharing.
    Get ready, get ready, get ready!

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    • Peggy A. says

      December 4, 2016 at 9:57 AM

      Someone here had commented that they heard the song “Edelweiss” from the Sound of Music, I believe the day after the election. James Bailey speaks of this in his most recent Podcast. But, I also remember reading that comment at the time.

      Another song heard was “We’ve Only Just Begun.”
      Two other people (that I know of) heard “Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie.”

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    • R C says

      December 4, 2016 at 3:38 PM

      Haggai 2:20-22 (12/24)

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      • Ddave says

        December 4, 2016 at 10:10 PM

        Wow, YES.

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      • mem says

        December 5, 2016 at 7:35 AM

        That will be the 23rd in the US when it turns the 24th in Jerusalem

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      • Jeanne Jorash says

        December 5, 2016 at 8:34 AM

        gulp. It’s very interesting that this month this year the dates of the DAYS line up.

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    • Rachel Baxter says

      December 4, 2016 at 10:04 PM

      Back in May, 2015 I had an open vision of a trillion tiny scrolls floating above me and Holy Spirit spoke to me to say “The scroll is being opened.” Then, I had a series of closed visions where a very large angel came to me and handed me a brief case. Inside it was a scroll that read “Covenant” in lovely cursive writing at the top, but I couldn’t read the rest of the scroll. Then the angel told me to eat it so I did. At the end of last year, I had another open vision where an angel dressed as a soldier and was called “Centurian” came into my house, walked up to me and handed me a scroll. Holy Spirit told me to take it into my heart and that it He was giving me “plans and orders”. Lastly, a couple months ago I woke in the middle of the night and opened my eyes to see several columns of scrolls being unrolled right next to each other from about 6 feet above me. I knew that the text on all of them was Hebrew and somehow I was able to read them all at the same time. I’m sharing this because I do not yet have full understanding but clearly the “scroll” is very important.

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      • Ddave says

        December 5, 2016 at 12:39 PM

        Yes Rachel the scroll/s are VERY important! When I started learning about the courtrooms of Heaven and asking questions, someone asked me if I had ever asked to see my personal scrolls. They advised me to ask Holy Spirit if I should request for Melchzadek (know I’m not spelling this correctly) to give them to me on the sea of glass. Honestly I was like sure, ok. But I stepped out and faith and asked. I received my scrolls and was taken into the courtrooms of Heaven to hear my case. The revelation that I received on even how the courts and throne work…I was BLOWN AWAY. I too don’t have a full understanding yet of the fullness of the scrolls, but the answers are there! Thank you for sharing Rachel, I’m going to be seeking revelation on the scrolls we need and for them to be revealed!

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  22. Expat gal says

    December 4, 2016 at 8:41 AM

    A Brother in Christ who received confirmation that Obama is the Antichrist. Posted today. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSKuUag-FAE

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  23. Peggy A. says

    December 4, 2016 at 8:31 AM

    “Mahdi Army has Risen”

    http://whistleblowerjeff.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-mahdi-army-has-risen-end-time.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WhistleblowerJeff+%28Whistleblower+Jeff%29

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  24. Peggy A. says

    December 4, 2016 at 8:17 AM

    Elizabeth Marie,
    Thank-you for sharing this.

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  25. Expat gal says

    December 4, 2016 at 7:51 AM

    I revisited Julie Higgins’ dreams posted on Z3, https://z3news.com/w/prophetic-dream-reveals-america-fire-russian-troops-invade/ , about the fires & Russian troops. The rampant fires, which I believe are arson & by design (see Steve Quayle’s 11/30 Alert), have come to fruition coupled with the presence of Russian troops on U.S. Soil (http://www.prophezine.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=650:the-russians-are-coming-yea-but-thats-not-all). I believe that everything is going “live” within the coming weeks. I now count 9 prophets declaring JESUS is coming soon. I understand soon is a relative term but these same prophets feel a heaviness in their spirit related to what they feel is getting ready to be loosed on the Earth – death, destruction, chaos, violence, anger, etc.

    May we all move closer to God to hear His Voice to guide & lead us & our loved ones & others to do God’s Will in the midst of the coming chaos. May our spiritual armor be flawless & our ears & heart & eyes focused on our Father. Blessings to all my Z3 brothers & sisters!

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    • michelle gibson says

      December 4, 2016 at 8:22 AM

      Amen Expat gal, we do need to hear the voice of God. I have been feeling it to, but I am not sharing my feeling to anyone except a few trust worthy people that say they feel something is coming, but do not know what. But it is not good. I have warned people over and over and now that Trump is going to be president the sheep are lying back down or just going back to eating grass. They feel so safe now but my spirit will not let me rest, so I keep praying and seeking God to be alert at all times.

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      • sgd says

        December 4, 2016 at 2:35 PM

        I have been feeling very heavy in my spirit as well; I was wondering what I needed to repent of. I think it is a very important time to keep short accounts with God, and these posts are confirmation that the heaviness is more than missing the mark in some areas of my life, but there is a “heaviness in the Spirit” right now to warn us to prepare. Thank you.

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      • Jan says

        December 4, 2016 at 7:50 PM

        I don’ t know why you think that everyone is going back to sleep now that Trump has won the election . Most people I have spoken to realize that we have never been in a more dangerous position. The ultra liberal left are losing their collective minds over the setback that they have suffered at the hands of the Silent Majority. Trump is only an outward symbol of that manifestation. The battle against those who would take down this nation has only just begun. Those who oppose freedom are not just going to go away quietly. There is going to be fighting in both the natural and in the spirit. We have to be ready for both. The globalists have been working for hundreds of years to bring the New World Order to fruition and Hillary’s failure to win the presidency has seriously endangered their plans for America. Obama has spent all eight years of his time in the White House to position America for the final takedown. You can be certain that the globalists have a plan B and C. Why do you think that Jesus has been preparing his people? If anyone thinks that Trump can single handedly take on the globalist really don’t have any clue to what is going on anyway.

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        • Kathy pruitt says

          December 4, 2016 at 8:23 PM

          Amen Jan!!

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        • michelle gibson says

          December 5, 2016 at 7:40 AM

          well Jan, I just here it a lot here in my neck of the woods. just saying. I am glad to know not everyone is asleep or chewing on the grass the news media gives them

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    • jerry rigg says

      December 5, 2016 at 1:32 PM

      Didnt “prophet” Bob Dylan say, you dont need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows? Just saying, yes, Jesus is coming and probably soon as from my vantage point there is no bible prophecy that I know of that has to yet to be fulfilled for the rapture to happen.

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  26. Expat gal says

    December 4, 2016 at 7:23 AM

    VERY IMPORTANT WORD for watchmen/watch women on the wall! This vision reveals many of you will be taken & persecuted. You are called to write letters to your loved ones as the enemy will use your disappearance for his gains. There will be a fake/soulless/Godless church run by the government & many Christians will be deceived. Very powerful vision of the plans to remove people that are obstacles to the implementation of the beast system & actively trying to warn, alert, & wake up others to the enemy’s deception. I will be praying for each & every one of you that have put your safety on the line by sharing your dreams & visions to help your brothers & sisters during these very precarious time! I look forward to the wedding feast of the lamb with all of you. Please consider sharing this video with other prophecy websites/individuals.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mFUNrs-LDwg

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    • Peggy A. says

      December 4, 2016 at 8:12 AM

      The above word is through KIM WEIR.

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  27. John Barry says

    December 4, 2016 at 6:50 AM

    There is a reason Japan attacked on Dec. 7th > Sun Tzu !

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    • Expat gal says

      December 4, 2016 at 7:58 AM

      Hi John Barry ? – I have read Sun Tzu’s Art of War book & would appreciate an explanation of your comment regarding the 12/7 attack by the Japanese..

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      • John Barry says

        December 4, 2016 at 8:50 AM

        Blessings Expat gal , the Japanese understood war was likely with the US and began the plans and training for Pearl Harbor a year and half before the event . Japan picked Dec. 7th for the surprise attack because it is during Americas holiday season and people , even military are most likely to be distracted . Catching the enemy unaware almost always insures victory in the opening battles .

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    • Bob Adolph says

      December 4, 2016 at 3:15 PM

      The Japanese attacked us because we were against there aggression in Manchuria and had cut off there supply of iron and steel. But we should’ve stayed out of that conflict and let them go to war with communist Russia. Roosevelt knew they were coming days before Pearl. The real crime of WW II was Churchill telling the Poles to end negotiations with Germany over the German city of Danzig stolen from Germany at Versailles. Result GB went bankrupt, lost her empire, Europe was destroyed, Russians enslaved Eastern Europe, cold war, 50 million die. Catastrophic loss of treasure and lives. Thank you military-industrial complex and Wall Street for financing Hitler.

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  28. Brother Steven says

    December 4, 2016 at 2:53 AM

    God forbid that we or anyone else Provoke Russia. They have no scruples for life, and they will not hesitate to throw all they have at anyone who comes against them. I’d rather suffer from economic collapse than for Russia to boom us. We can only hope that this dream/vision is for another time, otherwise what can one surmise of the 2020 dreams about America’s last chance……and of Trump only lasting a short season in office; for he has not even started yet. I’m not fearful of Russian war necessarily, for everyone of us will have to derive our existence from Jesus Christ our Lord no matter which crisis we have to go through, but war is probably the worst thing to deal with.

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  29. Jane UK says

    December 4, 2016 at 2:23 AM

    Ten years ago the Lord had us move to one of the remotest parts of the UK – one road in, one road out. Since then I’ve always known it was for ‘safety’. The past year or so this has been on my mind often, something is coming, there is a weighty, heavy feeling in the atmosphere. In the summer, during our annual holiday, I remember thinking that this is the last holiday we will have for a long while. Christian community is lacking here, so I can’t turn to others for support, I have rely on Jesus completely. All I know is something just doesn’t feel right, and not all is as it seems.

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  30. Natalie says

    December 4, 2016 at 12:02 AM

    Amen Elizabeth! I have written on previous posts that I believe we are right in the beginning of Revelation Chapter 6. Jesus is getting ready to open the seven seals. I believe the first four seals will be opened rapidly one after the other or even concurrently. I say this because it seems as though the fourth seal is the sum total of the seals that precede it (war & slaughtered followed by/causing economic collapse, famine, disease and pestilence and death). The next thing that’s going to happen in the world is the nuclear war. There have been many people having dreams of such and a lot of the dreams seem to depict a war during winter time/a nuclear winter. If the US/NYC is nuked and Russia is blamed, I believe the NATO members will jump to the aid of the US. There has already been so much NATO activity moving ever closer to the Russian borders…really it appears they are deliberately trying to provoke the Russians into war.

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    • Bob Adolph says

      December 4, 2016 at 1:32 AM

      Natalie, we agree again. The Congress passing a no-fly zone proclamation over the soviergn country of Syria is the trip wire that will start the war. Russia has it’s LEGAL missile defense system waiting for the first NATO plane to fly over. Do you SDA believe in a pre-trib rapture?

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      • Natalie says

        December 4, 2016 at 2:49 AM

        Brother Bob yes! Order and harmony are restored once more…haha! God bless you and by the way I do enjoy our debates. It’s funny because my closest friends have always been my greatest critics but we have learned so much from each other albeit often with different viewpoints.

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      • Natalie says

        December 4, 2016 at 2:56 AM

        I’ve done it again picking and choosing what to answer lol. In response to your question, we absolutely, categorically do NOT* believe in a pre-trib rapture. Personally, I believe in a post trib rapture. The rapture that will occur when Jesus returns in the clouds of glory and resurrects the righteous dead and then those who are alive will be caught up to meet with the righteous dead and The Lord in the air. I think the pre-trib rapture theory is actually quite dangerous because I fear it will leave many woefully unprepared spiritually to face the coming tribulations. The pre-tribbers think they’ll be somewhere in heaven hiding for the duration of the tribulation but why would it state in Daniel that the beast will war against THE SAINTS for 42 months if these saints are in heaven? Also, Revelation Chapter 7 states that some of those who are killed at the hands of the beast are the true followers of God who obey His commandments and have the testimony of Jesus…so clearly believers will be on earth during the 42 months.

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        • Bridget B says

          December 4, 2016 at 6:28 AM

          I’m confused because of the lack of harmony with visions. A lot of people seemingly have had dreams and visions of a pre trib rapture on YouTube and here:
          https://christiscoming777.com/end-times/

          I know only one group can be right but these all seem to be genuine encounters with the Lord Jesus Christ.

          I thought mid trib/pre wrath solved the discrepancy but I’m still not sure if I can completely discount pre trib.

          Regardless I do believe I’ve been shown that I will be martyred not raptured.

          With some of these visions that would seem to indicate that I’d be left behind unless the persecution comes first.

          God knows.

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          • Natalie says

            December 4, 2016 at 2:00 PM

            Bridget B thank you for your comment. I agree with you that there are so many contradictory visions and dreams. Personally, I’ve studied the books of Daniel and Revelation several times over many years and what I gauge is that the pre-trib rapture theory does not make sense when one gains a proper understanding of the timing of events. Revelation is mostly chronological and it take this form:

            a) Seven seals: The fifth seal is the saints who will be martyred during the tribulation for refusing to accept the mark of the beast. These are those who obey the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus. Revelation Chapter 7 then expounds on this by detailing that there will be groups of people who will be sealed with the seal of God on their foreheads before the 7 trumpets begin sounding.
            b) The 7 trumpets…after trumpet 7 is blown, we read in Revelation chapter 11 that the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and in Daniel chapter 12 we read that after the beast has been allowed to war against God’s people for 42 months (a time, times and half a time= 3.5 years in prophecy). This is a big clue that God gave us because it shows very clearly that God’s people will have to endure 42 months of tribulation…some of them will not even endure the full length because they will be killed for refusing the mark of the beast.
            c) The seven bowls of God’s wrath…I do not know whether God’s people will be on earth when these are poured out but in any case, these will be poured out after at least 6 seals and 6 trumpets have already transpired.

            I hope that goes a way to answer your question. This is why I always emphasise the danger of a pre-trib rapture theory because people will not be prepared spiritually to endure the coming trials.

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            • Delia Smith says

              December 6, 2016 at 3:16 AM

              Jesus said himself he will come in the clouds and gather His elect from all the heavens and the earth into the air with him (with the dead arising first) at the last trumpet. The last literally means the last as far as I can interpret it. Some will be martyred and some will live to see Jesus with our own eyes while we are alive in the flesh according to scripture. That is all I know which makes me believe in a post tribulation rapture. Some believe in a prewrath rapture which is based on the timing of the bowls judgements it seems but I’m not sure about it. I guess we should be prepared for what those in other parts of the world are already experiencing which is described in the end times as war and persecution of the saints. There are already much martyrdom in the ME, Indonesia, India, China, North Korea, Africa, and even Europe. I think it is to separate the true believers from the lukewarm when faced with a harsh choice of losing everything material and even life or death on this earth.

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          • Brother Steven says

            December 4, 2016 at 8:13 PM

            You’re not the only one Bridget who is confused about these things, so many prophetic words do cross each other and they cannot all be right, even metaphorically. Just hold tight to the Lord, His Spirit and His Holy Written Word and you’ll be just fine.

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        • Brother Steven says

          December 4, 2016 at 8:11 PM

          It’s not about us “hiding”……it’s about the Lord coming for His Bride before He pours out His judgments upon the wicked. Why would the Lord punish His Bride/beat her up, then rescue her at the end? Also, if the Rapture was at the end, who would be left in the flesh to repopulate the earth during the Millennial reign? For God will come down “with” His Saints to execute judgment upon the wicked…..and that’s not Jail we’re talking about. Also, where would millions of Christians sit for the Marriage supper of the Lamb in a earthly physical Jerusalem…….and lastly your Daniel passage you referenced was referring to the Sanctified ones during the Tribulation consisting of Jewish and Gentile people and Luke-warm Christians who saw what happened during the Rapture-taking millions of Christians up,……….then they seeing the truth of the Gospel…….. will cling to the Lord for the Duration of the Tribulation-believing on Jesus and loving not their lives unto the Death.

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          • Bob Adolph says

            December 5, 2016 at 12:33 AM

            Brother Steven, thank you for speaking out.

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            • Brother Steven says

              December 5, 2016 at 3:28 AM

              Thanks Bob…..thank you much…….I find this link to help out those who have been contending with us over the SDA’s…
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuRxuTEmpB4

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            • Natalie says

              December 5, 2016 at 6:31 AM

              Brother Bob does that comment imply you’re a pre-tribber? If that’s the case, that’s another point I need to straighten you out on including your 70 week theory lol! Btw Brother Bob in response to a previous comment you addressed to me, I believe the two beasts mentioned in Revelation are the US (beast out of the earth in Revelation chapter 14…earth symbolic for a nation that was established in a sparsely populated/previously uninhabited land) and the Papacy/Vatican is the woman dressed in purple and scarlet who rides the scarlet coloured Beast (Revelation 17). The scarlet coloured beast in Revelation 13 that comes out of the sea (sea is symbolic of many peoples, nations and languages), is therefore a confederacy of nations that will give over their powers and sovereignty to the Papacy/Vatican for a brief period of time. The US will make an image to the scarlet coloured beast and Vatican Union and together they will all force people worldwide to accept the mark of the beast.

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          • Natalie says

            December 5, 2016 at 6:22 AM

            Brother Steven the tribulation period of 42 months is a necessary part of God’s redemptive work and to ensure that every citizen of His coming eternal kingdom is a true follower who have endured the fiery darts of the enemy (including death) and have OVERCOME. God stresses this point of overcoming many times in the NT. As I stated previously, both Daniel and Revelstion emphasise that the beast makes war and persecuted God’s people…the saints…there is no way this is referring to lukewarm Christisnd because God states earlier in Revelation Chapter 3 when he addresses the Laodician church that He will spew lukewarm people out of His mouth! So clearly Revelation Chapter 6, 7 and 13 etc cannot be referring to anyone other than faith filled, Holy Spirit filled, commandment keeping, true followers of The Lord. Many of these will be killed at the hands of the beast because of their faith in God and unwillingness to compromise on their faith…it will basically be Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and the fiery furnace 2.0 except the beast will be the modern day Nebuchadnezzar employing modern means of execution.

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          • Elizabeth Marie says

            December 5, 2016 at 11:37 AM

            I never get into a discussion about pre-trib vs. post-trib, ect. That is because the premise is all wrong about what and when the tribulation is and isn’t. Once the LORD has shown you that, then you can take your stand.
            However, we must always follow the patterns that are found in the WORD OF GOD. We know that in the days of Noah and Lot, the LORD ALMIGHTY rescued them both from the final wrath of the LORD. That is HIS pattern of redemption and wrath.

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            • Brother Steven says

              December 5, 2016 at 1:42 PM

              Thank you Elizabeth for your concerned comments. I agree that the Lord did show us the pattern of His rescue in types and shadows as you mentioned in His Word regarding Noah and family. But I would just like to say that accurate hearty debate on important issue is good for the body of Christ for it can help dispel false doctrine. Discussing the Rapture-which is a “Hope” we have in Christ is perfectly fine to discuss. The reason you stated of why you do not discuss it only leads me to conclude that you have the sole reason not to discuss it, and that if the Lord hasn’t shown His Body that exclusive reason, meaning what and when the Tribulation is and isn’t then we should not discuss it. I will remind you of what you already should know…….that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any Private interpretation. All of this……all of the back and forth in most of these blogs and posts is simply the result of various groups and sects imposing their wills and church doctrines on the rest of us. If we contend or defend our points of the Prophetic visions and dreams published on this website should we not back it up with Scripture? I think James has been patient on both sides / both parties. We do need to respect the purpose of this website and yet at the same time, some of us cannot help but to respond when people are being led astray.

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  31. john jo says

    December 4, 2016 at 12:02 AM

    there were so many visions and dreams about the coming disasters , violent attacks , wars , tsunamis , earthquakes , etc

    is it really this week of december 2016 will start any of the disasters ?

    today is due for the Italy referendum , anyone knows what it will affect to the europe countries ?

    Is the Planet X or Nibiru real ?
    when will it come closer to earth ?
    threaten to destroy the earth ?

    Reply
    • Natalie says

      December 4, 2016 at 12:12 AM

      Johnjo I’ve got no idea about Planet X but I do have a strong feeling that this month of December as well as January and February of 2017 are critical months in terms of the events that will precede the one world government and one world religion.

      Reply
    • Bridget B says

      December 4, 2016 at 6:32 AM

      Just need to wait on the Lord buddy. It’s hard to know exact timing but we just stay alert and pray.

      Reply

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