Speaking in session ten of the 2016 Lancaster Prophetic Conference on August 13 2016, Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj shared the following message starting at 2:41:30 in the video shown at the bottom of this post and continuing for about nine minutes. The following text is a transcript of that part of his message.
I will stand on my guard post and station myself on the rampart; and I will keep watch to see what He will speak to me, and how I may reply when I am reproved. (Habakkuk 2:1)
“Every morning, early in the morning, the prophet Habakkuk goes right up to the tower and he stands there early in the morning, 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. And he looks up to heaven waiting for God to hear what God would speak to him.
That is what it is. And when you wait on God, you will participate in one of three gatherings. Number one, the gathering of God. I call it God’s gathering. See Job 1:6 and 2:1, Isaiah 6:1-8 and 42:9, and 1 Kings 22:19-23. This is a gathering where people, saints in heaven, and even some saints on earth will be caught up to heaven and they will participate in this gathering before God where proclamations are made, where the will of God is met.
Last year, I was caught up to such a gathering and a very important announcement on Rosh Hashanah day last year. I was fasting and praying in Jerusalem. When I was caught up and the Lord was making very important assignments, an announcement, and I witnessed that. So, that is the first kind. You participate in the gathering of God. That is the first kind.
Now the second kind of gathering is called the prophet’s council. See Amos 3:7 and Jeremiah 23:18. There are many councils in heaven. Among the many there is one called the prophet’s council and some of the choice prophets of God in the Bible are in the council.
I have been privileged by the grace of God to participate in that council as a member of the council to hear decisions they make and to discuss about issues of nations. The first time that I ever went to the council was in the year 2008, just before the U.S. general elections. That was the first time that Mr. Obama was running for election. I went to this council and Abraham is the chairman of this council. And he asked me to come closer to him, so I stood closer. He had a file in his hand and on the file was written the word U.S.A. And he looked at the file and he said, ‘Obama will be elected President.’
I said, ‘Sir, it cannot be.’
You know, that was the year (Sarah) Palin and the other guy, what was his name? John McCain, they were running for election and all Christians were working for that group. So I pleaded in his behalf. I said, ‘Sir, we don’t want this Obama. We want this group.’
Father Abraham looked at me and said, ‘No, it has been decided. It has been decided that Obama will be elected to office.’
So I was told, ‘Now go and tell the people.’
This was one week before the election. Then when the second term came, the same thing happened. I was again caught up to the council and I heard them discussing. It is what we have decided.
Now you are in the midst of a new election, but you know but I must tell you something honestly. In the past, I was quite concerned about the U.S. general elections, but this year I just wouldn’t be bothered. I just didn’t know why. I just wasn’t interested at all. I didn’t want to bother to even find out, God what do you think? Who will be standing in that office? I didn’t even bother. It was totally out of my mind; you know? But on the first night when Brother Neville Johnson was preaching, and while he was preaching, I was just looking at him preaching, suddenly I was caught up in the spirit and I found my soul standing before the council, the very council where I always used to go and I saw father Abraham and I was standing beside him. And I was very surprised to see Donald Trump come and stand in that room. This is what I was told,
‘Trump will become President. He will be used to clean and purify the nation. As hard as he is, he has been prepared for this. As Cyrus was used to discipline Israel and then to restore Israel, likewise Trump will be used in the U.S. He will be used to curb violence. He will be God’s mouth and hand for this nation.’
This was the vision that I saw on the 10th of August at 8:23 pm. Since I was told not to share, I just kept it to myself and I wasn’t planning to share this at all, but while we were seated there I showed this to Brother Neville. I said, ‘Does this bear witness to you?’ I asked him and he said, ‘100% I agree with this.’
So first we had an agreement and now I am sharing with you what I saw in the council.
You see, this is one of the privileges when you walk with God. You will be caught up in the council to hear decisions that are made in heaven and then to know the seasons and the times in which we are living and how to conduct ourselves. Even sometimes to forewarn what is going to come to pass.
The third kind of gathering is the communion of the saints. Now, this I am sure you are already very familiar with. You have heard this over and over again. See Hebrews 12:1, Zechariah 3:7-8, and a good example that I shared with you the other day is John’s example in Revelation 1:1 when an angel, which was not an angel, but a saint, a prophet in heaven. See Revelation 22:7-9 and you can also read the experience of the prophet Daniel in Daniel 8:13-19. He also participated in the communion of the saints in his time.”
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There seems to be a misunderstanding. America is still under judgement regardless of who is president. We haven’t repented and continue to sin (Both Sadhu and Neville preach this). The election of Trump is favor to the remnant. We need to do the work of God unhindered. This is the perspective of the Kingdom of God. With Obama or Clinton, the plane crashes in the mountains with no survivors . With Trump the plane crash lands in the mountains with some survivors. What is the point of the wealth transfer if we can’t use the resources? This is about the kingdom of God and the end time Harvest. Very difficult days are ahead of us.
Shalom
I agree with Phanuel. America is part of the world and will be judged. The true Church is not part of the world and is the righteousness of Christ. Politics is a false god. Donald Trump is not the answer or anybody’s salvation. He is being used by God to shine a light on the corruption that exists from Washington to our unsaved neighbors. Even in the natural no one can dig America out of the quagmire we are in. I admit that for a while I got sucked into the Trump mania because he has accurately named all the country’s problems that the MSM ignores and who, by the way, is a major part of the problem. Come away from the world (America) and be ye separate. In Elijah’s day only 700 of 7 million Jews were saved or one tenth of one percent. Relax about the election process. America doesn’t deserve to be rescued. Continue to be led by the Spirit and enjoy the climax of the Greatest Story Ever Told.
Nice said Bob
Phanuel, you make an important distinction. There are some who are saying that Trump will win and peace and prosperity will follow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2qCCX8IHIs Kat Kerr has stated many times that we are not in the last days and that the Lord’s coming is at least a couple of generations away. I do not agree, even though I like Kat and have read both of her books.
If Sadhu and Neville are saying that Trump will win, but our country is going to go through severe judgment, then I can understand this. I have listened to several messages by Sadhu and Neville over the years and I have great respect for them.
What is hard to believe is that Trump will be used to “discipline and restore” America. Don’t we all believe America and the world are in a nose dive and will burn?? Mankind has been evolving downward ever since the fall and exponentially lately. Satan can appear as an angel of light. Yet I have to admit Sadhu’s prophetic vision was one of the most dramatic and profound that I have ever heard. Bottom line I think Terry Bennett’s message from Gabriel is the most important of the past 16 years.
The Lord will use him as a “Cyrus”, an unrighteous man whom the Lord had chosen to restore Israel at that time. He is Unrighteous, but will be a far better alternative to Hillary, whom is an evil witch.
Kristi Lawless, interesting name in that the Mystery of Lawlessness will be defeated at Christ’s return. God is not trying to civilize the world but is preparing a bride. I was initially thrilled at the Trump candidacy as God used him to expose America’s corruption. If he wins the election and lives to take office I will join in the celebration but it is all in God’s hands. In the natural the whole Mystery of Iniquity is against him including the MSM, the voting machine operators, the pollsters, the establishment Republicans and all the forces of anarchy, nihilism, revolution and chaos. The scriptures say, the whole world is corrupt, to come away from the world and be ye separate, he who loves the world is the enemy of God, man has a fallen nature and Satan is the prince of this world. I pray for Trump’s safety several times a day but my main prayer is, “Come quickly Lord Jesus.
What a hoot! Not in the last days? Are you kidding me?
That was the wrong link …..this is the correct link; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5kpHA9DbQ
Prophet Kim Clement has also stated that this is the “end times” but not the “end of time” unless God decides to shorten it. Kim was shown himself as an old man in his 80’s. That’s more than 20 years away.
The Lord spoke to my wife and I about 2 years ago and said, “Men have said for years that we are in the end times. But I say truly, you have now crossed over.”
Regarding Kim being shown that he would live to be in his 80s, that is almost identical to what I saw in a video but it was John Paul Jackson who was saying it. He said that the Lord showed him that he would live to be in his 80s. But we all know that he didn’t. hmmm
I would like to share on John Paul Jackson’s comment he would live to be an old man. During a conference I saw on You tube John Paul stated the Lord told him he would ‘live to be an OLD MAN’. The next thing JP talked about was an experience where he was out jogging 4 days in a row when the Lord took him to heaven to teach him about the meaning of the temple items (laver, braisen altar etc.) Each time JP returned to jogging a car load of kids drove by drowning him in a slurpee. JP says to the audience “LORD, I am an OLD MAN”, more than once as the Lord told him Satan did not want to learn these thigs of the temple in heaven. When I saw/heard this my spirit immediately said ahha-the Lord is showing His sense of humor here & I felt peace about John Paul’s statement He would live to be an old man.
and yet as of today he is dead and not in his 80’s
Did you read “Timbo’s” comment below that Kim Clement just passed away?
Thanks Sharon. Kim Clement was born in September 1956, so he turns 60 next month. He would turn 80 in 2036, which sounds very believable.
Well then there’s another interesting twist in the plot. Read this morning that Kim Clement just passed away.
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/watchman-on-the-wall/61455-prophetic-worshipper-kim-clement-passes-into-glory
That is surprising and unexpected.
Great words Phanuel.
Thank you so much James for posting this. God bless beloved watchman!
Here we are at the climax of all history, at the human race’s apex of six thousand years of rebellion and God is giving America a Moses???? America who has started war after war and destroyed the world’s financial system and polluted the world’s mind with pornography? Politics is a false religion. We must keep our spiritual hats on and not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds.
I had a prophetic dream on 2/14/16 and it was followed by 7 day and night visitation from the Lord. He gave me a life review and said that, we’re he coming for his bride, he wouldn’t take me. As I repented, he withdrew his anger and began to show me things which would soon come to pass. He said he was going to give us double for what we had done to other nations. There will be famine and we will burn and have war. He showed me the refugees who were without hope; dis possessed by the actions of our evil government. The Lord is not only separating the goats and the sheep but the sheep from the sheep. He allowed me to see and feel what it would be like to be at his judgment seat; to be guilty with no more opportunities to repent. I tell you the truth, I never realized how holy he is. I’d been taught that once saved, always saved and that my sins were under the blood. When he says, be holy as I am holy, he means EXACTLY that. To repent does not mean to say we’re sorry and then do the same thing again. It means do not do that again. I am so careful about what I even think now. If we examine ourselves and make the necessary corrections, he won’t have to do it. The Lord told Mena Lee Grebin that, out of ten people who call him Lord, he only knows one of them. The people in this country will never repent while we have prosperity. It is the mercy of our beautiful Lord to bring judgment as only then will we lift our eyes and hearts to him.
Thanks for sharing this excellent testimony Sandi. I believe you truly heard from God.
AMEN Sandi Preston—-HOLY -HOLY-HOLY is Our ABBA !
Sandi, Even in the natural if Trump won the election and served 8 years he couldn’t reverse the damage that America has done in the middle East since the first Iraq war that was started on the false pretense that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Think of all the poor people who have died or become refugees because of the neo-cons in the WH under both political parties. Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex in 1960 as he left office. Why have we allowed anti-Christs to control ALL our media, our government, the banks? Why have we allowed pastors not to preach against sins like divorce, abortion, greed (thou shall not covet), pride, selfishness, self righteousness, idolatry (sports, wealth) self centerness? Forget politics, this is the end of the age. If you don’t get this you probably aren’t saved. To whom much is given much will be required. That’s us.
I was reading this again, you said a Moses (love Moses btv read Num11:11-15:) than 11:23:), anyway God gave us a Duduman a Wilkerson and many more! Did America listen?
No, it got worse
On counting and Numbers and this marvellous scripture you’ve given Cali. I have given a time specific prophecy ‘in America I shall rise with a sword against you’. The LORD is exalted in judgment and you are about to see some fire. Behold ye among the heathen, and regard and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you. In Habakkuk 1. The Lord he is the God; the Lord he is the God. In 1 Kings 18. Psalm 23. Ezekiel 33:33. Be blessed Cali, thank you for your post and for stirring up this ‘Hear the word of the LORD’
Thank you Jane
Blessings
Amen Phanuel, I agree completely. There are many who do not have ears to hear, or eyes to see. The Holy Spirit leads and guides us into all truth, The Holy Spirit teaches us all things.
Ok so i could see that, but where does the NWO come in? They took out JFK but will let Trump win ? i don’t know just doesn’t make sence, IF he gets ellected Gods hand is sure on him than, and people who crotisize him do not see the whole picture here.
I remember when it was said Obama the last president, whatever hapened to that ?
Like i keep saying you have to watch Israel. Daniels time line. It’s also 70 yrs in 2018 from 1948. Just saying, there is Not that much time left.
(this was in response to the way Panuel explained it, but again where does Duduman’s and others prophecy come in? something seems off somwhere)
One more thing, Mena saw a Sword and he saw a Cyrus, honestly, i am not looking forward to see who was wrong, at all.
You know, i was thinking, at the end of the day it all goes back about that check in your spirit. Red light or Green, for me if Yellow i let it go as well. We are sons of God we are to be led by His Spirit!
Thank you Jesus
John, would’t raising interest rates collapse the bond market? I think we are at the end of the greatest Ponzi game of all time and there are no answers including Trump.
Bob – Yes, bond prices will drop, but it would be off-set a little by cash fleeing stocks. Yes, I think the end game is here for the Ponzi markets too. Trump is not really the answer, but better than Hillary. Either the US defaults on its debt (which will not happen), or its going to have to cut spending and increase the GDP and collect more in taxes, and these solutions will not be popular with citizens. I do believe Trump will make a good lynch men for TPTB, and be tough on folks to make the hard decision. It would likely not make many happy here, but the NWO will be happy to get some of its money back, and that is all they care about… Get everyone in debt and then take their assets = Boomers Can’t Retire and people have stay on the hamster wheel of life and work, which = more taxes and money to the Government and FED.
John, not only are we bankrupt but the EEC and NATO are starting to crash with the flipping of Turkey to the the Russian side. (listen to yesterday’s Trunews). Terry Bennett’s timeline is the big picture. America must fall for the Revised Roman Empire to be birthed which will include Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Libya. The Assyrian is the coming A/C.
John Smith, Any update on The Market Crash that always seems to be ‘right around the corner’, but instead grows even stronger ?
The wealth transfer will be given to the “Joesph’s” The Lord has declared, not in any other way.
I don’t really know what to make of this. There are so many contradictory prophecies about not only the election, but the aftermath as well. It seems that many of the prophecies are coming from anointed, Spirit-filled established prophets…………..yet we have Hillary winning in some, Trump winning in some with a third scenario mentioned by others in which Obama stays in office after marshal law is declared. I have great respect for many of these prophets on all sides. We know that God is not schizophrenic and when we hear such divergent messages, it really makes me wonder if a real shaking is going to occur in the prophetic community.
Many on this forum have seen (in dreams, visions and prophecies) a stock market crash followed by a devaluation of the dollar followed by a complete currency and economic collapse. It is difficult for me to understand how all of this can fit into what appears to be a very short pre-election timeframe. In any case, I want to be open to any truth that the Lord would reveal to us.
I am with you, Ted B. I think a question we need to ask ourselves is: do we really believe we are living in the very last of the very last days? Is Obama THE Antiichrist or not? If he is, how how how how can Trump win? If he does win, will Obama just let it go? Even if Hillary wins, will Obama just let it go–citing Hillary’s crazy “health” issues (or demonic manifestations)? Why is Obama leasing a mansion in DC? And really, why are we so focused on Trump “fixing” things? Has our track record as the American church showed that we would repent and do all those things we “could do” with more time and freedom? We’ve HAD THAT!! I think NOT. I know I need a real shaking to the foundations of my soul. To really understand Who I rely and trust in! And the question also is: do we want more time in order to lay down our lives, or more time to be at “peace?” Yes, I know that judgement was also declared to be coming in this message, but if we’re really entering the season of the Beast, how can America come out “alright” after judgement? As a nation, I mean. Again, “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.” We, the church, living as the church, doing what the church does, are not dependent on who rules. It will be HARD–but The Lord is faithful to HIS Word!
Hi Jeanne, I am not sure how you view Terry Bennett or Nita Johnson (their teachings)
but America will be a sheep nation after all the discipline that we must go through to be brought to true repentance from the heart. At least that is my understanding of Jeremiah 23 which is the council of the Lord passage.
AMEN ! Nita Johnson also confirm Trump is Cyrus
pls go ahead to watch Neville Johnson 2016 message (lasncaster conference 2016}, he think America is a sheep country and will resist anti-christ in the end. he mention ameria will become a country of God at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bPgEtZuA1Y
there are few sessions.
It has com to pass…Trump is the president and has won majority in all 3 houses of US government.
I agree with the prohecies over the election. It’d all over the place.
As far the economic crash one doesnt need prophecy to see the epic cluster morass upheavel on the way. It wont all take place in one fowl swoop.
This bore great witness to my spirit when I heard it live. It confirmed the vision I shared of Trump holding onto his bible with reverence and passion. I shared this vision with Brother Sadhu and Neville Johnson. There was also the dream I shared about praying for his protection and interceding for him. There was another dream in which he performed brain surgery on a patient. His patient was wide awake immediately postop. I was so impressed of how well his patient was doing.
There is still going to be great judgement, but the true church will prosper. I believe the collapse of the economy is what puts Trump over the top. The Lord is going to time the collapse perfectly. We will get our wealth transfer and a president who won’t hinder the Kingdom of God. Amen.
Shalom
Phanuel – I am with you and others and this adds confirmation to what I heard from the Lord back last September 2015 that Trump would actually win by a landslide. It will be so amazing to so many that the Christians will know it can only be the Lord, despite all the voting fraud and failed assassination attempts.
The economy will hit the skids before the election and open the door to favor and the “October surprise”!
I really do not understand why so many hate him. It comes down to Trump or Jezebel in the White House. This is a no brainer. So many underestimate what God can and will do through anyone He so chooses and it just so happens that He chose perhaps the most courageous man available who said ” I’ll do it”. Any one else want to be in his shoes? I doubt anyone would last a day.
The man is anointed, not as a priest or a pope or a Christ figure, but as a man who is willing to bear the reproach, and yet so many christians have a problem accepting that. Only God knows the heart of a man! God uses the foolish to confound the wise. We cannot not keep putting God in our nice little box….
You are right Charles. It is a no brainer.
Amen Charles!!
Thank you Charles. God bless
I’m in total agreement Charles!
Trump reminds me more of a Constantine figure, to whom Clinton is the Maxentius figure, and the election is The Battle of the Milvian Bridge.
Phanuel, the brain surgery part interests me–I wonder if it has anything to do with Dr. Ben Carson. Maybe he will act as Trump’s right-hand man in some way.
Phanuel,
Your back my friend.
I must say, I feel good; for I have felt all along that something was going on with Trump; I felt in my spirit that God’s hand was on him. You can ask my wife because of our long fusses over Trump; Trump drives her bananas.
Shalom,
TAJ
TAJ,
I was in the same boat with my wife, until she heard about Sadhu’s word. Not all prophets are on the same level. Brother Sadhu and Neville Johnson are of the highest level. Their words carry much weight.
Shalom
This word from Sadhu was a surprise to me….but one thing I am very sure of, Sadhu Selvaraj and Neville Johnson are 2 of the most godly men of God that I have heard.
God sent these 2 men to the U.S for our benefit. I don’t understand all of the conflicting prophecies either..HOWEVER…Sadhu is NOT A FALSE PROPHET..BEWARE IF YOU ACCUSE HIM OF BEING ONE….ALSO,Sadhu never said that all would go well..OR THAT we would be delivered from all judgement. I think everyone needs to hold onto their seats before accusing this man of false prophecy.Sadhu has paid a high price for his walk with God…And I don’t have the answers to the conflicting words…but it will make sense here soon…We are under judgement. ..and I believe that there is no conflict with what was revealed and spoken..
America came under judgement 8 years ago when Obama was elected and if the enemy has his way and the witch is elected, then severe and possible condemnation could follow because he wants to destroy this nation which God so love. God allowed Obama into office as a prophetic sign to the church in America to see how far the country has gone away from God ((essentially, an era of calling good evil and evil good) and repent. That repentance will start with electing the person he is recommending for the POTUS. To elect the witch simply is saying to God we like things as they are. That is why there are differences of opinion. I am not american but I knew by the grace of God several months ago who He was anointing for the presidency. If anyone is truly for the sole interest of the Kingdom of God they will know who prophesying according to will of God. I believe the church will prosper and gain momentum spiritually under Trump for what is ahead post Trump era. Blessings!
I was taught by the Lord about two weeks ago regarding this. Prophetic seeing is directly related to how close you walk with God and whether you are converted in His love to become love as He is. Then you can see as He sees and stand in His council in agreement. Most prophets like most of us, only see in part which 1Cor 13 says can fail………but the fulness which is love never fails. Therefore when you stand in His love you see as He sees and speak His Word which never returns to Him void till it accomplish His purpose…. Bro Sadhu and Neville are what I call matured because they have become fathers in His divine love and that is why they carry authority and stand in His council. It is very sad majority of these prophets think they are speaking for God when in fact is far from the truth………. Keep being humble brother and you will see more for the kingdom. Shalom!
Neville Johnson stated in 2014 that within 7 years it would be difficult to buy or sell anything which sounds like the last half of the tribulation to me which would mean that the tribulation would have to begin this fall in 2017. I listen to him and Sadhu quite a bit and they seem to be legit but time will tell if they are true prophets of God and in the mean time do like Jesus says and test the spirits. There are a lot of different prophecies out there so i guess this is where we have to really pray for discernment. if anyone has more insight on this i,m open to listen
There are still many things that must happen before the tribulation begins, so it cannot start this year. I documented ten things that must happen before the rapture in this post:
https://z3news.com/w/ten-things-that-must-happen-before-the-rapture/
That would make it a wild ride into November, specifically if the economic fallout begins before the election. Obviously, the New World Order Luciferians wouldn’t be able to fix the election for Hilary.
What do you believe the “wealth transfer” might be?
I’m guessing stock market drops and those positioned smartly in the stock market would make a profit, including those that own physical gold and silver. Thus, these awaken people (many who are Christians) get to help God’s cause as we approach the last days.
I believe God will transfer the wealth of the wicked to whomever He wants to in miraculous ways we can’t even dream of. Whether or not a person is in the stock market or not.
Agree. In times of Economic troubles anti incumbency factor comes into play. People will vote against Democratic Party.
Great word there brother Phanuel.
Interesting how pre-market the DOW was -800, but now it’s up 68 !? What happened ?
You were right all along with many others. God Bless
Many people here believe that the USA is Mystery Babylon and Obama is the anti-christ. I am not one of them. I think the “seven hills” is the clue that gives credence to the belief that Rome (or a revived Rome/papal Rome/western powers) is Mystery Babylon. It’s the mystery power behind the “deep state” or oligarchs. And that power has it’s claws set deep in the USA as well as Europe.
While I do believe this country has greatly sinned and will pay the price for corporately turning its’ back on GOD, it’s not Mystery Babylon. And Obama as anti-christ? No way. It’s too early for him to be revealed and he’s not smart enough, cunning enough or wicked enough to qualify.
Well said. I live away from America too.
As we get closer to the elections, it continues to get very, very interesting.
Very interesting on the “Trump Wins Prophecies”. It seems that the more well-known “prophets” are predicting Trump not in office. However, a few less-known “prophets” are predicting Trump victorious. Only time will tell.
Just last night, I was on Nathan Leal’s “Watchman’s Cry” site and I read a couple of dreams/visions he had the last few months. They all were pretty bad, in terms of what is coming to America.
Stan Johnson, from The Prophecy Club, gives a thumbs down to the “Trump Wins Prophecies”.
Plus we all know what Gruber, Langford, and Dudamen said.
So in about 3 months, will we see which “prophets” are proven correct, while others are proven wrong? So will these events have bearing on all of the “prophets” and “watchmen”?
These things I ponder……………..
I’m not sure how it will play out but it could also be that Trump wins, but somehow doesn’t get inaugurated. Then Hillary or Obama gets the presidency by default. I think it is important to know what they said, Trump will win the presidency is not the same thing as Trump will be president. All things to consider.
But he also said God was using Trump to cleanse, purify, restore, curb violence, speak God’s word, and be God’s hand. It would be hard to imagine how these things could be fulfilled if he never even takes office.
That’s what Im thinking on an analytical view.
Trump wants to repeal WTO, NAFTA, TPP and the 501c3.
They are desperate. This would decimate so much world control. Their desperation is glaringly obvious given what Obama has been saying.
There’s NO way they will let Trump win without a fight
Yup. The NWO will empty all bullets, literally and figuratively, before letting Trump waltz in the WO.
remebmer Brexit ! america will exit illuminati/globalist/establishment too ! Lord have Mercy !
That is an excellent point. The elitist plan of fixing the election could fail. Thus, they would have to go to Plan B (false flag?) to keep Obama in office.
This would lead to the type of violent turmoil that many watchmen have envisioned.
Not sure who you are referring to as well-known versus less-known prophets. Pastor TD Hale and Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj have both been shown a Trump victory. Terry Bennett saw God playing the Trump card, but I don’t know if that means he wins the election or not. I have great respect for all three of them.
With this word shared by Sadhu, it is more of a prediction because he said it had already been decreed, but many prophetic words are not like this. In some cases warnings are given by God to reveal the scheme of the devil, which can be avoided based on how we respond to them, so the lack of fulfillment means the prophet succeeded in doing what God gave them to do because the scheme of the devil was derailed. In other cases, prophetic words reveal the plans and purposes of God, but those also are conditional just like all of the promises of God because they depend on how we respond. We have a big part to play in the fulfillment of prophetic words, so we are responsible for much more than just sitting back and judging those who shared what God gave them.
James, personally I really like and respect Sadhu, Neville and Terry not just for their ministries but even for their humbleness and personalities, virtues which I think you can see to Glenda Jackson and Meena Lee Grabin too or even TD Hale. So if I refer to words given constantly from this prophets, shared also in this site, the only logical way they may all fit now, according to my opinion, is that something happens before the election ( the sudden event) that will cause postponement of the election day, thus making Obama staying in office. The event and this decision will cause unrests and the fall of economi and when the situation will start to calm a little bit after some certain time frame, the election process will be reestablished and that may cause Trump to win. This might fit too with word given constantly even by Efrain Rodriguez who has said that after the asteroid impact, which will hapened in the time of Obama being still in office and will cause a lot of troubles, when the situation will start to calm, a revival will spread in the land and for a while this country will have a Godly government which will restore the country but not anymore as the #1 superpower and this will be not forever but only for a couple of years and after that even the USA will fall under the influence of the AC who has to rise up somewhere else meanwhile as Terry has declared too. Any way this is just something I can see as a possible scenario not something I am hearing. Blessings.
Sujit, I know you are warning believers against deception it is good. But done be too cautious and leave the gifts God has given people like Sadhu and Neville. These prophets walk with God and have encounters and visitations from Lord and many OT prophets. I know you believe in gifts of the Spirit. God can speak through anyone even through a unbeliever… I strongly believe these Prophets are really genuine prophets…specially Neville and Sadhu. I don’t see any comment from you appreciating their walk with God and their revelations but only warning…GOD CAN USE ANYONE..
Hi, John,
I agree. God can use anyone. I intended to share what I felt God impress upon my heart that it is necessary for believers to not depend on prophets and apostles but to learn to draw near to God themselves and hear him for themselves for God is infallible but we are not.
My comment was not to question their authenticity but to share that the only surefire way to guard against deception is to root ourselves in God and his word. I myself am striving to do this.
Thank you Sujit for sharing this insight. God bless you.
+1 David
AMEN
God changed His mind when Moses interceded. Then when Moses came down from the mount and after seeing what the children of Israel did ( worshipping a golden calf) he proceeded to slaughter them. Killed almost ALL of them.
What was your point about the spirit of Moses ?
Hi Eric, Let’s go to the book and see what really did happen. Only 3,000 were killed, not “almost ALL of them” as you said. These were the guilty ones who needed to die . As for the rest of the 2 million or so, Moses went back up to the mountain and interceded for the people in a manner like nobody has ever interceded. Moses acknowledged they had sinned a great sin, then prays the incredible, If you won’t forgive them, then blot me out of your book as well. That was my point about the spirit of Moses.He had the spirit of intercession that we do not have.
I will say this: my MAIN prayer for the professing body of Christ has been for increased wisdom, DISCERNMENT and clarity. I continue being placed in opportunities to be able to exercise the fruit of self-control over my dismay at these three very LACKING areas within the professing Christian Community.
My post today better discusses my thoughts on these things:
8-15-16 ~ I AM EXTREMELY DISGUSTED!!!! | believeacts2’s Blog
https://believeacts2blog.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/8-15-16-i-am-extremely-disgusted/
Just a moment before reading this. I heard the same thing. Listen for yourselves. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. If you want the answer then just ask your Lord. Have your own ear pierced. On the Day of Atonement I heard ‘you are sealed’. You need to be able to hear that for yourself. Here there and everywhere, looking for a word from the LORD. Be still before the Lord, shut off all the other noises. Get alone with him. Shut up and listen and he will speak and direct you. Otherwise you will be a lemming and be led off the cliff by the other lemmings.
I should say, a moment before reading Linda’s comment! Thank you Linda. It is very hard to go against the flow but very often, absolutely necessary!
You’re very welcome, Jane NZ. Times are TOO critical to be relying on what others “hear” . . .”see” . . .”dream” . . . We are each responsible for seeking the LORD and learning how to hear HIS voice. We MUST pray about all of these “Words”, dreams, visions and prophecies (and yes, that includes ALL that I share as well). Let the Holy Spirit confirm in YOUR spirit if you are indeed getting the TRUTH.
We will give an account for what we do with our life and the excuse, “but the prophecy said. . . ” will not fly as the reason why somebody chose not to: move or give to the poor, or speak out when it was NOT the “popular thing to do”.
If we don’t seek the truth . . . The spirit of deception will engulf us quite easily and sadly . . . I’m seeing that happen like never before. It’s frightening, for ANY of us can be sucked into the vortex of deception if we don’t maintain our walk with the LORD.
Linda,
Your words…Over the past few days, during my meditation, I felt like God was telling me things I already knew. He was reiterating them. And I was wondering why. I was like, “Lord, I know all this. Why are you telling me again?” He didn’t give me a direct answer, but even this morning, his words were along the same lines. I was meditating on Proverbs 4:10–15. And it is upon reading your words that I am beginning to understand why God has been reiterating things I already know.
You said it yourself: Any of us can be sucked into the vortex of deception if we don’t maintain our walk with the Lord.
Curiously, before my meditation, I did pray that the Holy Spirit engraves the word of the Lord on my heart so that in these perilous days I do not depart from them. I think that is what he is doing; he had begun doing it even before I asked him!
Hello Sujit,
I had a very wise college professor tell me this: “repetition increases memory”. Also, when we look at the Scriptures, we see some things repeated there, such as “Verily, verily”. When something is repeated in the Scriptures, that’s like a highlighter on what is being said to us.
All of this “prophetic” confusion truly has me distressed in ways words can’t adaquately describe. It brings the Fear of the LORD to me that I stay on that straight and narrow path, that ONLY the Holy Spirit can help me and everybody else stay on.
I’m inquisitive. I want to know “WHY ALL THE CONFUSION IN THE PROPHETIC”. This is what I feel is the answer: to propel us EACH into the LORD, into the Bible and to gain an even greater intimacy with the LORD so we can EACH hear His voice clearly. I also believe it’s a testing of WHO will seek HIM for the truth and who is too lazy in their spiritual walk. If we don’t seek the truth about these “prophecies”, we are missing the opportunity to hear from the Holy Spirit ourself.
I completely agree with you! The Lord wants us to go to him for answers. Discernment is a gift that is truly not being utilized. The enemy wants to distract us and cause confusion. In fact, I feel as if this election iis nothing but, one big distraction for believers. There is hope for them that the right man can turn the inevitable judgment. When in reality, it is taking away from us seeking GODs will and guidance.
Yes!
Yes.
Please, z3’ers, just a few more things to add to your prayerful consideration:
Mena Lee Grebin stated in a recent (August 3) YouTube video that God told her Trump is a “decoy”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fOR6stwuvU&feature=youtu.be (27+ mins.). She explains that too many have made him an idol, wanting more time, but that the lack of repentance in the church has set the course so that even if Mr. Trump wins the popular vote, he will not serve as President. –She says God allowed the “Trump card, so to speak” to test Christians. She warns – as a few others are doing – that we are out of time. (My “take” is that she was saying – or allowing for – that IF enough repentance had occurred in recent months, God would have used Trump as so many think He will or is using him.)
Nathan Leal (and his wife Donna) at watchmanscry.com have a lot to say about Mr. Trump – including what his mentor and (at least till recently – which also is explained) campaign manager is like: Pretty compelling that Trump is NOT what so many Christians think!!
http://watchmanscry.com/?p=5774 (56 min. audio) – plus other articles on that site.
NOTE: “To be fair”, this message is two months old – but he also made a 17-min. video on June 29 = after Mr. Trump’s famous meeting with many evangelical leaders: http://watchmanscry.com/?p=5793
IS Donald Trump REALLY a better candidate – or is he a typical “choice” that the luciferians offer for those who are fed up with those currently in office?
As Linda (and others) said, we need discernment! This IS an important matter.
Please remember: Satan is ALWAYS up to his old tricks – but maybe even better at them now. We are in a time of GREAT DECEPTION!
Mena Lee also said a few days ago (after the decoy prophecy), that God told her emphatically to warn “any professing Christians who vote for Hillary would receive a deceiving spirit”.
Linda you are blessed! When I went to your site. That’s all that came to mind.
Thank you, Matt d. Prayers are also appreciated, so I ONLY share what the Holy Spirit wants me to share, when He wants me to share it. I feel the sobering responsibility to be very cautious on these things, since I will be judged more severely on what I do, for it impacts my siblings-in-Christ. It is best to remain silent than to speak forth something that is unclear, or in the wrong timing, or something that was not to be shared publically.
I say: LORD HELP US ALL.
EXACTLY!!
“Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future..” – Yoda.
LOL! No way, no how does Trump become president. I will GLADLY eat crow if I’m wrong. I will openly admit I was wrong and apologize. But no way does Trump become president. I’m with Linda Clay on this one…disgusted!
Ken Roberts/Linda Clay
Trust me, I also resisted Trump for a while. My posting history will show this.I saw the light when the Lord instructed me on how to pray for him. With Trump as president, the judgements of God will still happen (but mitigated). The economy will crash and there will be a global reset. The good news is the remnant will have favor and be able to do the work of God. It’s time for the harvest and we need to be able to do this work before the tribulation. This is truly the mercy of God.
Shalom
Hello Phanuel,
I don’t have an agenda about Trump one way or the other. We have a depraved Nation, that has NOT repented before Our Holy Heavenly Father. Even the word “repent” is avoided in MOST of the mainline churches here in the USA. We are at the end of the age, with the beast system rising. THE antichrist is in the White House (Obama). Judgement is already on this land, but there will be mercy.
Indeed we must pray for Trump, that is absolutely the proper thing to do.
My warning is this: we are EACH responsible for taking all prophecies, dreams, visions, “Words” to the LORD in prayer for confirmation from the Holy Spirit. It’s not a “trusting a person” issue. . It’s a learning to trust FULLY in the LORD and to be able to hear and obey HIS “still small voice.”
I do believe all of this confusing prophecies of this and that . . . Let the wind blow and watch it change . . . May actually be a mechanism the Heavenly Father is allowing to PROPEL each person into seeking HIM for the truth.
LORD HELP US ALL HEAR AND OBEY YOUR VOICE and not get caught up in these temporal things which will be passing away.
That is all I have to say about this situation. . . Let’s each pursue wisdom, discernment and clarity and not hang on to false hopes.
But “there is no political solution to a sin problem.” America and the church has a very SERIOUS problem with sin. We as a nation accept EVERYTHING! We’re not morally ambiguous, we’re morally bankrupt! We are weak, pathetic and full of unrepentant sin in the church and the nation. We won’t get a Cyrus (Trump). We don’t deserve one. Time like grace eventually runs out. It is running out on America and the church in America. I could see the argument if I read on church signs, “Join us for fasting prayer and repentance for our nation.” But I don’t. I see, “Five great things and how to get them.” What? Who cares? As far as an economic collapse…that’s inevitable. Again, who cares? Prepare for it like the Holy Spirit has instructed us too. Time is quickly running out to repent. Will God even listen at this point? I don’t know. What I do know is…America will get no reprieve. We’ll be stuck with Killary and the antichrist. America’s days are numbered. We all need to prepare as the Holy Spirit instructs and what that entails…then get ready for sime type of captivity. That’s the immediate future of America.
I didn’t mean to suggest you are a prophet, only that you have prophesied. Whether you understand it or not, your most emphatic statement “America will get no reprieve. We’ll be stuck with Killary and the antichrist. America’s days are numbered. We all need to prepare as the Holy Spirit instructs and what that entails…then get ready for some type of captivity. That’s the immediate future of America.”, is a prophetic declaration …at best; or a prognostication/divination, at worst, if not inspired by the Lord, then by whom? I Peter 4:11a, If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God.
I see your point. It was actually more of a confirming word, but that’s semantics. You make a good point. Time will tell. We’ll see what happens in November.
Amen Ken. Keep blasting the trumpet. Many are listening.
Thanks, Robin. Bless you!
Ken You echoed exactly what I would have said a month ago. Since then God has been changing my perception. Listening to all the seminars with Sadhu and Neville has certainly helped (everyone should take the time to listen to them)
God told me Obama was the AC years ago. Also there would be no elections as he plans to stay. The still small voice within me still resonates that.
But I’ve learned I have to humbly learn His ways and that might be a slight change of course. No harm, but a lesson that He still makes the calls.
I love Sadhu, for he truly has given ALL his being to God. And yet what he states doesn’t fit with my heart.
I believe Yael speaks correctly (re-read)
Also Linda Clay (who somehow thinks exactly as I do, God help her) states what everyone should recognize and is worth repeating. Think about this statement. ” I do believe all of this confusing prophecies of this and that may actually be a mechanism the Heavenly Father is allowing to PROPEL each person into seeking HIM for the truth.”
I know it has made me seek Him more diligently because (like Linda) I just have to know the truth.
Ken, you may have some thumbs down, but I hear you!
Thanks, Jeanne. Appreciate it!
Does grace eventually run out?
Yep. Just like time.
Phanuel. I hope you guys get Trump. He is a whole lot better than anything else on offer. But isn’t about Trump, it is about the witness of the Holy Spirit to this ‘word’.
Jane NZ,
Yes Trump is better than Clinton or Obama. There is a track record. He said similar things before the 2008 and 2012 elections that came to pass. He is the real deal.
Shalom
Amen Phanuel, what you say is true and this resonates with my spirit, I know Obama and Hillary serve satan. I know Trump has problems, but he has been more supportive of the Evangelical Christian community. I would much rather have him as President, than Hillary any day of the week. Obama and Hillary are totally antichrist, and seek total destruction of America, and they would love to do away with Christians. I know Jesus is our only real hope and salvation. I was blessed listening to Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj speak and pray on video. God bless you brother.
Phanuel,
Thanks for having the courage to share this message!
Timothy
Percentage wise aren’t there more true believers in America than were in Sodom when Abraham bargained with God?
Ken, disgusted is what Hillary is. The whole satanic NWO is behind her. And they hate Trump. I am stoked to hear Sadhu say this.
BUT IT’S NOT ABOUT TRUMP!! Again, we’re subtly looking to a man. It’s SUBTLE.
Jeanne, nobody here is saying that Trump he can fix everything. Judgement is still coming to America, regardless of who becomes President, but my prayer is that Trump wins, because he is the better alternative compared to Hillary. The Lord has shown me personally, that Obama and Hillary wish to destroy our nation. If she is elected, more will die, or find themselves in Fema camps. Hillary and Obama are both satanists.
I totally agree that Trump is a much better choice than Hillary. I totally agree with you about Obama and Hillary. But I also believe that those two only reflect our nation as a whole and as a people. I don’t fear them destroying our nation (though that is their intent). It’s already on the way. God, Himself, is the One to fear! (Which we don’t—we shake our fist at Him and give him the finger. Sorry.) If we were a godly nation in the first place, we would not have the issues facing us now. No one like Obama or Hillary would even be considered or given a thought! They’d be in prison!
Not looking to him at all. Looking at the alternative choices and what we could get.
Ken Roberts, you are spot on. anyway, a true Church is always built upon persecution and suffering as described in the New Testament. the strange thing is since when God use a chosen political leader for His Church ? well, the last time it was with the roman catholic church when people themselves chose the political figures for their church, and that’s when the church went into religious organization, and it will be never God’s choice and way for His Church.
i am happier if things will happen smoothly, but i also prepare to face the worst. just one thing to make sure that we all try not to fall back because when things are getting tough, we will be not ready and cause us to fail.
and until now, i still believe things will happen not as what those famous preachers have said and been involving in the political activity.
Thank you, Ben.
I have heard a lot from brother Sadhu and I have a great respect for him but I don’t really understand how this prophecy fits with others given by brother Sadhu. He has seen judgment on this land. The purpose of judgment is to bring back first the church and than the nation through a revival, but if Trump (who I support) is the chosen one to clean this nation and to make it great again (though we don’t see it through the scripture) than what is the purpose of the judgments to came. This is really strange for me. Please don’t tell me that all these prophets are listening correctly. Soon we are going to see who are the Jeremiahs and who are the Hannanias. The end time prophets can’t be both. It seems that it is time to get locked in our hidden room personally whith the Lord.
Totally agree. Jesus’ first words to the disciples when they asked Him what the signs of His coming and the end of the age were: “See that you are not deceived…” And remember, there were incidents of even godly prophets of old that God had to discipline or correct. I Kings 13:11-32; II Sam. 7:1-17. We must test every word by The Word and the Holy Spirit.
1. judgment is not to bring revival. It serves to warn those who are not being judged that they’d “better not go down that road”. Oh there may be revival, but it won’t be in America.
2. People like to believe they don’t have to change, yet they’ll still be OK. It seems to me the ” collective prophetic thought” has evolved from “if My people humble themselves…then I’ll rescue them” to “God always has a remnant, even in the midst of judgment”.
3. Here’s the deal: (and it’s even worse than Ken described) Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Rev 18, etc, describe an entity that will be devastated to the point of having no inhabitant left in her. God, in his Mercy, had both Jeremiah and John write down that His People were to come out of that entity to save themselves! Some in this group believe the USA is this entity (referred to as Babylon, Mystery Babylon, The Daughter of Babylon, the Great Harlot, etc). I’m about 95% sure it is. JB posted in this site some months back that he knew of no scripture issuing a blanket command to leave the USA – well, this is it – if the USA is Babylon, you will leave either voluntarily or involuntarily, because Babylon will have no inhabitant left in her.
Possibilities for rendering this place uninhabitable: Russia launches thousands of nukes at us over the North Pole making it radioactive for 1000 years, or Yellowstone erupting blanketing the nation with 2ft of volcanic ash.
Gods ways and timings cant be understood by human thought process.
Repentance increases during hard times, but God also leads people to repentance through His kindness, so a Trump Presidency does not mean there will be no repentance and it also does not mean we have avoided all judgment. TD Hale called it an alternate route to the same destination because only repentance changes things, regardless of who is in the White House. So if this alternate route plays out, we would be granted more time before the most severe judgments would come, but I believe we will still see many trials even before the election.
The problem I have with this, is that God has been showing us great kindness for years and years and years.
*sigh* Right at the moment, all this reminds me of the “choose your own ending” stories from Jr High. I am just grateful that we only have a few months left before the conclusion of the matter will be known. And, yes, I continue to take these things to the Lord.
Blessings brother, yes our hope is in Him Alone, His Soon Return, judgment is coming one way or another like you said all you have to do is look around to see the time. There is much for us to do for His Kingdom until that day though.
Obama was sup to have been the Last President?
Focus on Him , Kingdom Business.
Blessings
Israel<3
Thank you for sharing your heart Adrian. Your genuineness blessed me. The false will not overcome those who draw closer to Jesus.
Adrian – Have you heard of Edd there in South Africa? He calls himself Prophet Edd. I saw a video of him dealing with two married american lesbians recently who flew there to see him. Interested if you have any knowledge or opinion of him.
I agree, Adrian.