The promise made by the Lord Jesus to the church of Philadelphia has been often misunderstood.“Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.” (Revelation 3:10)
“I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should KEEP them from the evil one.” (John 17:15)
Author: Jerry Sundberg
Soon after he received the Lord in 1976, Jerry Sundberg started receiving prophetic visions and warnings about the future of the United States. He shares his visions on his Hidden Manna Blog. His free ebooks are also available for download from his blog.
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Oh! I forgot to say – the reason we know the sealed book is the new salvation is because of Revelation 5:8 – 9. When the Lamb takes the book, the 4 living creatures and 24 elders sing ‘a NEW song’ – why bother if it’s the same story they’ve heard for eons? It’s new because what’s in the book is new.
All anyone has to do is read Revelation. Just before the Seals are opened we hear about a book handed to John that is sealed with 7 seals. This book is the new salvation I mentioned in ‘Here Comes the Bride’, and the seals being opened are what is going to bring this salvation into reality on the earth. When all the seals are opened, then begins the trumpets – the preaching of the full gospel of this salvation. There’s no way any Bride is going to be ready before the new salvation gets here, and then people will need at least some time to incorporate it into their lives so that they’re ready for the rapture – at the 7th trumpet. There’s only room for one rapture then, and that’s it. It’s all about being worthy to be part of the bride – as Paul made very clear in Philippians 3, and that means more than just having ‘suffered’, because if that’s all it took, Paul shouldn’t have had a doubt in his mind that he was worthy! Instead, it must include certain experiences with God in which the realities of this new salvation are able to be incorporated. Salvation by faith had its experiences – which were very necessary to even claim to be saved, the same will be true of the new thing that’s coming.
I would only say that, I am a pre triber and do not hold this position as a way to escape tribulation. Facing tribulation has nothing to do with this position. I am not sure why those who are anti pre trib, seem to want to reduce the debate down to the ridiculous. Pre trib is not a fearful position as you seem to demean those who hold it as having. This is intellectual dishonesty. You disagree with it but you seem to want to belittle the position, and even those who hold it, as an inferior. This is almost proof in and of itself that it is a spirit of pride that motivates the dialogue. I am pre trib and mid trib. I sincerely believe there are 2 raptures. It is ok if you disagree, I do not feel the need to be right about everything concerning the timing of the Rapture of the Church. 2 over arching reasons why no matter how you want to try to put an end to the lively debate, the scriptures will never clearly give anyone the satisfaction of knowing with complete certainty based upon stacking scripture upon scripture to prove your paradigm. I believe that by staring at all the trees it is impossible to see the forest and God very likely designed it that way. He left just enough information out so that by analyzing every single scripture remotely related to it, the sacred conclusive proof so desperately sought would always be just out of reach. This is by design so as to keep the dark forces always in a state of perplexity as to the timing issue. We are to walk by faith so we don’t need to know everything about everything. This is just as when Jesus came the… Read more »
The reasons for this post are clearly stated in the post. Many pre-tribbers are hoping for an escape from the trouble ahead. I am glad to hear you are not looking at the rapture that way, but I have friends who are. The doctrine encourages that false hope, which is the reason why it must be debunked. The point is not to belittle anyone, but to open the eyes of the spiritually blind by explaining the scriptures.
Ok, but the only problem is that you are referring to them as spiritually blind which is a demeaning comment. Disagreeing about pre trib or mid trib or post trib does not make anyone spiritually blind. There is a reason that so many very intellectual and well researched people disagree on this issue and it is not because they are spiritually blind. IT is about the paradigm in which they have chosen to view it. It is far too common on the internet for Christians to call others blind or deceived or even apostate just because they disagree with something the other one believes. People do this with Charismatics, Word of Faith, Pentecostals, and now they have even added those who teach the Grace of God to the list. The propensity is to label those whom they disagree as somehow demonic, deceived, etc. This is extreme and not helpful to any discussion and makes Christians look foolish because they can’t even pretend like they like each other. My only hope is that people can disagree without the other parties having to be some how less then them in some way. Pride is ugly and it doesn’t unite but divide. We can all state our position without those who hold the opposite view being reduced in the conversation.
There is no substitute for the truth. If you want it watered down there are lots of other websites that will accomodate you. Spiritual blindness is the problem here and truth is the answer.
True. I was praying one day and I asked God the question. Why do we have to study the Word so much. Why can’t we just read it and get it and keep it. He told me this. ” It is because TRUTH does not originate with man. It originates with ME (God).” We leak so to speak and our beliefs are effected by what we see and hear everyday. After he told me this I understood at a much deeper level why it is futile to get into too much debating (as much as I love a good debate 🙂 ). Pride causes all men eventually to do something that is harmful. Instead of exalting truth we exalt our opinion of it. This is where strife comes from. If someone has attached their ego to a real truth then instead of defending the TRUTH itself, they end up defending the fact that they believe it that way. They are defending the same premise but for a different reason. It usually never ends in peace. You see this to extreme in the Muslim religion. It is not enough that they think that they have the truth but they must beat everyone else into submission and make them believe it as well. They are just personifying where pride always ends up. Unfortunately all humans are subject to this dynamic. This is why LOVE is the only cure. My only point really is that there is room in the Body for pre, mid and post. I for one am really interested to see how it all works out. The start of the Jubilee is just a couple of weeks away. Will we be raptured the Last trump of the Feast of Rash Hashanah which is the start of the feast of Atonement… Read more »
According to many scriptures documented in my previous post, Ten Things the Must Happen Before the Rapture, I can already assure you there will be no rapture this year or next year. We have a ways to go yet because many of these things that happen first are big events that take years to unfold.
YOU SAID: “There is a reason that so many very intellectual and well researched people disagree on this issue and it is not because they are spiritually blind. IT is about the paradigm in which they have chosen to view it.” Interesting choice of words Steve. The “level” of intellect and the “amount” of research is NOT the issue here. All scripture cannot be understood through the “intellect” or the amount of research. If this were true, then the pharisees of Jesus’ day should have gotten it right. They didn’t and they were the most educated and researched people alive at that time. Paul was also one of them and learned from the best. All of this was “renounced” by Paul as so much “filthy rags”. {But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For “ who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Corinthians 2:14-16 NKJV)} Unless the person receives “revelation knowledge” about the word of God, they cannot spiritually discern the truth. Throughout the ages, men have tried to understand God’s word and the difference between those who CAN understand and those who CANNOT understand causes those who cannot understand to dismiss those who do. Steve, you make it sound as if being intellectual and fully researched trumps spiritual discernment. It does not. The fact these have chosen their “paradigm” in which to view the scriptures will determine what “truth” they gain from it. The very nature of the TRUTH according to the Spirit is its… Read more »
In addition to my comments above about the church of Philadelphia not having to face the tribulation that is coming on the rest of the world is “why should they continue to have to face further trial and testing when they have already met with God’s “approval?”” When Jesus told those who were following Him that they are to leave their father and mother and families to follow Him, notice He was directing this at His disciples because they have already left behind their families. Similarly, God did not have to “test again” the faithfulness of Abraham after He required him to sacrifice his only son. Abraham “met” this requirement of God and never had to face that test again. So the church of Philadelphia apparently had already “satisfied” the requirements of God and no longer needed to be “tested again”. What most who have been taught the pre-tribulation rapture have misunderstood, tribulation is not the same as wrath. The purpose of tribulation is to try and test how you’ve built the kingdom of God in your own life. Did you build “without” the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit with the result being akin to “wood, hay and stubble” which will be burned up in the test or did you build “through” the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit which is akin to gold, silver and precious stones which is “refined” when going through the fire. Tribulation is that final test. It is not meant to “destroy” but intended to “refine”. That verse in Revelation says that the rest of the world will be “tested” or go through “tribulation”. Paul speaks of this fiery trial in 1 Corinthians: According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid… Read more »
I notice that reference is made to the three Hebrew young men in the furnace in Daniel. Over the past week I’ve been thinking about this and googling images of them. Interestingly a few months ago I was watching on TV a programme on the art in the Roman catacombs. One of the more popular images was that of the 3 young men in the furnace. If the ancient church found strength in that imagery then perhaps we, as the modern church, might also find similar strength over the next decade or so.