Prophetic Dream: The Sign of the Final End

On September 17, 2017, I was visited in a dream by the same heavenly representative that normally is present in most of the prophetic dreams given me by the Lord.

Once I awoke, I immediately knew this was an urgent message/warning not only for myself, but also for the entire Body of Christ. This is one of the most outstanding warnings given to me about the End Times we are living in. It is a serious matter that we must take to the Lord in prayer, that He may give us the discernment to have the understanding of this sign when it arrives, lest we risk missing it or the deception that comes by missing it.

Dream:
In my dream, I saw myself walking outside.  The heavenly representative was walking with me.  Immediately, a man came rushing up behind me, frantically crying out to me, “Wait! Wait!”

I turned around and his demeanor was that of great alarm.  His expression was of intense fear.  He said to me, “Listen to me! This is the sign I need to show you that when you see it, you will know that we are at the final end!”

For some reason, I became distracted, turned away from him, and continued walking. Again, I heard the man quickly walking up from behind me, frantically crying out again, “Please, Please stop! I have the sign I need to show you, that when you see it, you will know that we are at the final end!”

Yet again, I was distracted for some reason, turned away, and continued walking. Finally, the third time, the man came up behind me shouting, “Stop! Please stop! Listen to me!”

He then lunged from behind me, grabbed me by my shoulder, and swung me around.  He was powerfully serious, frustrated with me, and had a type of angry look on his face because I was not taking him seriously. I also noticed there was a tremendous grief within his warning, as if the Lord was pronouncing a “Woe”.

He said with a strong, stern, and loud voice, “Listen to me! This is important and you MUST know it!  Watch me!  When you see this sign made, then you will know that we are at the final end!”

It is important to stress what I saw in the man’s countenance was a righteous anger, not an anger deemed “sinful”. This righteous anger was because of my continued distraction, and treating his warning with disdain, as I continued on my own way the two previous times. I gave him no choice but to physically grab me in order that I pay close attention that this was unlike any other sign I have seen previously.

I stood there realizing he was trying to warn me in all desperation, and that the warning was critical and urgent.  He stood there and with his index finger he pointed to both of his shoulders and then downward.

He said, “Did you see that? You need to recognize the sign!”

I said to him. “That looks like the sign of the cross!

After I said that, the man was silent, but remained looking terrified. I want to add that I was not the only one he was warning. He was like a watchman crying out at the top of his voice. At the beginning of the dream, I saw him shouting out these same words to others all around me, as loud as he could. He grabbed them in the same manner as he grabbed me because they were also not listening to him. None took him seriously, remaining distracted as they continued walking onward. End of dream.

Interpretation:
I think knowing the Lord would never try to teach us as born again Christians to do the Catholic “sign of the cross” was a powerful warning given in triplet – the number of divinity.  I did not receive it as the man trying to teach me to do the sign of the cross, but to watch out for it.

I believe this is indicative of a vital, strong warning to keep our eyes on what the Vatican is doing.  Whatever it is, it is going to be what marks the sign of the final end. The fact that no one was listening to the man, as well as myself, was evident that God must show us something we would never pay too much attention to… to the extent that when it happens, we would not only overlook it, but we would also be unaware of that moment marking a critical moment of the final end.

The way the man was shouting, running to people, grabbing them all with such frustrated, grieved, fearful emotion in righteous anger, reveals that when this sign happens, it will be the mark of something very bad…something that will mark a change in life as we know it.

Now, we know millions of people make the sign of the cross every day all over the world.  Yet, as I mentioned earlier, it was not about teaching me how to do that sign. It will be the sign that you and I need to pray and ask the Lord about daily – that He will open our eyes to it at the precise moment that He is warning us about.

If you have any other insights, feel free to let me know.

Shalom
Joanie Stahl

Conclusion by Brook Ardoin:
When Joanie explains her dreams to me, the Lord many times will reveal extra interpretation or messages. This dream was no exception. What the Lord made clear is that the people being warned in the dream are His people… believers, which explains why Joanie was included as one who was also distracted and did not take the man’s warnings seriously. She represents all believers.

Though the heavenly representative was next to Joanie, he was silent in this dream. The representative’s presence alone confirms not only its importance, but also from where the warning originated and by whom. This way, there is no mistaking it as a warning from the Throne Room.

The man represents a “Watchman” here on earth spreading the warning and sounding the alarm of what is to come; and like many of the watchmen of today, their warnings are short-lived, overlooked, and not taken seriously or quickly forgotten. Christians have turned away from listening to many watchmen because some have given the same warnings repeatedly – for years in some cases. The church Body begins mumbling and saying, “He has been saying this same thing for years and nothing has happened”.

We have all heard this or have even contributed to it. However, JUST as the watchmen will continue to repeat the warnings because they know it is urgent and this is their obligation, the man in the dream did not succumb to all who rejected his cries. He also specifically called it “the sign”, rather than “a sign”.

We are now seeing come to pass what many viewed as “crying wolf” from watchmen. What my response has been to those who have stopped listening to the cries of certain watchmen is simple. Look within the Bible to see how many years the great Prophets of old warned that the Messiah would enter this world! CENTURIES passed before it came to fruition in some cases; yet, just as they repeatedly warned, the Messiah arrived! God stepped out of eternity and into time in the form of His Son, Jesus Christ. Suddenly, the Word was made flesh to dwell among us.

God is not on the same timetable as us. He calculates time completely different. A day is like one-thousand years, and one-thousand years like a day with God, but we become impatient and stop seeking out His plan.

We also see the cries from His disciples in the New Testament and Jesus Himself warning of His “soon” return. This warning began over 2000 years ago; so, should we ignore it and turn our backs saying, “Oh, they have been saying this forever and it still has not arrived?”

Remember, when they cry peace and safety…suddenly! The blatant disregard for the warning to His Body indicates that WHEN this sign is announced, or made known from the Vatican, if we do NOT take this seriously and go to the Lord every day to ask Him to give us discernment and revelation of it when it arrives, we as Believers will MISS IT.

If we ignore the warning in this dream and do not take it to the Lord, He showed me something else that will happen. We will see and hear it as something important, but we will view it as “typical news” for a very brief time. We will then quickly forget about it, and continue on our way until the next news event arises – just as we consistently do now. Please heed the warning, and do not allow the many distractions or your busy lives keep you from praying about this.

As mentioned, the number 3 means “Divinity”. In some cases, it can also mean “completion or finality” (As in the sign of the final end). It took the man three times to finally get Joanie’s full attention and take him seriously, and he had to force her to do so. This is a strong message my friends because when the time comes, God will not be here to physically demand our attention.

We see that confirmation on a matter from the Lord will come in two or three witnesses:

“This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established”.  (2 Corinthians 13:1)

The First Sign by Brook Ardoin:
The Lord revealed to me when He gave us the first witness of this coming sign. On December 17, 2016, we published a show where a 16-year-old unsaved boy had an open vision of the Great Tribulation to come. This is one of the most detailed open vision’s we have heard to date. [David does accept Christ as his Savior at end of the vision as heard in the show].

Please understand this boy spoke of subject matter he had never heard of previously. This is a raw, detailed account of events to come and some subject matter may be disturbing to the listener. I do not recommend it for children under 13, unless in the company of an adult and they have an in depth knowledge of the events found in the book of Revelation.

This was the first confirmation of “the sign” that will come from the Catholics; the second we just received through Joanie’s dream. Please note when we published this, we left a disclaimer that David was not referring to the first word coming from those who practice Catholicism, but rather from their leader, the Pope/Vatican. Listen to the 59-minute show in full in the video at the bottom of this post.

Within the vision, David spoke of a great war to come… a world war and what he saw occurring in that war. Below is an excerpt from the full transcript that can be found in full at www.aminutetomidnite.com.

David is speaking to his Uncle Jose in the excerpt.

David: There is going to be something worse after the war. There is not going to be anyone that is going to win. People will claim victory, but it is not going to be victory. It is not going to be fighting for good or bad. It is just going to be killing, just to kill. People are just going to start killing to kill, not even to survive. They are just going to kill for the satisfaction of killing. Like a sport. Beware of the Catholics.

Jose: Beware of the Catholics? Why?

David: The first word will come from them.

Jose: Oh, wow! What do you mean by that, Papi?

David: The first word of war will come from them. They will claim it’s peace, but it is just corruption.

Jose: I know. You are fine. Oh my, Papi.

David: Ahh! It is all corruption.

Download the full transcript of David’s interview as a PDF file.

Notice David states they will claim it is PEACE, yet it is only corruption. I have no doubt the dream given to Joanie directly correlates with what David saw so clearly and vividly, and also warned us about. This dream, along with this open vision, was given for us to take seriously and as a great warning. As always, take this directly to the Lord in prayer and not just by our words.

“May the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened” that you may clearly recognize the sign of the final end. (Ephesians 1:17-18a)

Source: A Minute to Midnite

Joanie Stahl

Author: Joanie Stahl

As a young Jewish girl, Joanie Sthal received Jesus as her Messiah and soon began receiving dreams and visions of world events. At first these gifts scared her, so she asked for them to cease. Instead, they increased and she surrendered her will to His. By spending much time alone with the Lord she learned how to be guided by Him and to wait on Him for interpretation
Today, Joanie is a wife and mother. She believes the time has come for the “Bride to make herself ready,” which is why she now feels released to share her dreams and visions received during the past 40 years as warnings of things that will soon take place. She is currently a cohost on A Minute to Midnite. You can visit her on the You Tube Channel, or at the website: www.aminutetomidnite.com

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Expat gal
Expat gal
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September 23, 2017 4:54 pm

I was raised Catholic & need to point out that what Joanie described is NOT the sign of the cross. What Joanie shared would be a NEW VERSION possibly of this sacrament/blessing. It is quite possible that the Pope will lead Catholics to use this new, modified version as a sacrament/blessing for the new One World Religion.

The traditional sign of the cross is very specific. You say, “In the name of Father” (point your index finger to the center of your forehead), “the Son” (point your index finger to the center of your chest), “the Holy Spirit” (point your finger to your left shoulder”), “Amen” (point your finger to your right shoulder). The only downward movement is when you move from the head area to the chest/shoulder region.

As someone remarked correctly on this thread, by REMOVING pointing at the head, you REMOVE the Father/God from the sacrament/blessing. However by REMOVING pointing at the chest, you REMOVE the Son/Jesus from the sacrament/blessing.

Makes perfect sense that the NWO of which the Pope is a part, want to REMOVE ANY reference to GOD & JESUS!

Thus Joanie’s dream could be taken literally where by the Pope, with the Vatican, change to a new “Sign of the Cross” that supports the new, Luciferian worshipping religion!

Expat gal
Expat gal
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September 23, 2017 5:15 pm

A quick addition to my post.

For those of you who follow Jonathan Kleck’s work, you know that Mary receives significant love & prayers from Catholics who will pray directly to her. In fact, I said the “Hail Mary” prayer (honoring Mary specifically with a brief mention of Jesus) as frequently as I said “Our Father” prayer (honoring God specifically with no mention of Jesus).

As Jonathan demonstrates in his videos, the Catholic church honors the female reproductive system in its altars, prayer cards of Mary, etc. I apologize if this offends any Catholics because it will shock you when you first are exposed to this information. Jonathan is not attacking Catholics as a group but he does help people with “eyes to see & ears to hear” that the Catholic church & the Vatican have been corrupted, along with many churches of many denominations, at this point in time. We live in a fallen world & many churches have not been spared with being plagued with sin & non-Scriptural beliefs & practices. Anyhow I share the information about the focus on the reproductive system organs because in the dream where the man points downward, this would fit with the NWO preoccupation with sexual organs. Read about the Jesuits & Freemasons’ symbolism with monuments shaped like phallic symbols that they have placed around the world. Not trying to upset anyone or ruffle any feathers but this new “Sign of the Cross” for the Luciferian/One World Religion makes COMPLETE sense based on my understanding of the NWO & the Vatican.

One last thought, if you think about the “new sign”, it makes an INVERTED PYRAMID/TRIANGLE which reflects the “As above, so below” Luciferian belief system!

jerry rigg
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September 24, 2017 9:57 am

Yes, and a simple review of the prayer called “the Hail Mary” mentions her being “full of grace”…..which she may be……but she IS NOT THE MEDIATRIX OF GRACE. Does not ALL GRACE flow from God only?

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 4:41 pm
Good point sir, I had a challenging time trying to make a younger lady friend see the lapses in Catholic but thank God she’s now attending the same Pentecostal church I attend-a branch of the ministry in another location where she is. I was taken to mass when I was younger but when I became a teenager I stopped going but still put on rosary till it was removed in a Pentecostal church I was attending when I decided to get serious with God over 13 years ago. Till today I don’t regret the decision. Catholicism is plainly wrong. No man is a vicar of Christ not even the early apostles claimed to be. Celibacy is a gift and a calling not an ecclesiastical order. Mentioning Mary in prayer is totally wrong no matter the argument you put forward. The idea of praying to Saints, 14 stations of the cross etc. are heresies. Jesus only gave us the communion to do in remembrance of Him. He gave us the Holy Spirit to comfort, empower and teach us not a priesthood order or some Saints. Rituals have been done away in Christ. The Holy of holiness is open to all no need for a vicar of Christ. Any reference to Mary is plain idolatry as only the Father, son and Holy Spirit bear record in heaven. The cross sign doesn’t sanctify, the blood of Jesus does. Baptism is by immersion not sprinkling of water on forehead. Praying with rosary is vain repetition, pray by the Holy Spirit leading in the normal and spiritual language. There’s nothing like mass, we are to come together as Holy Spirit filled believers and edify one another. Papa bulls, indulgences, excommunication, Eucharist etc are nothing but fleshly rituals. True communion is taken among brethren in the… Read more »
RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 5:51 pm

holy of holies*

James Bailey
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September 23, 2017 8:42 pm

Great point about the inverted triangle Expat gal.

Rebecca Bonnell
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September 24, 2017 9:00 am

Dear Expat gal you have given some very good information on this and the pointing to each shoulder could also be relating to the joining of the East and West religions and the pointing down, the Worshiping of Satan…
GOD Bless You X

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 6:05 pm

More like an udown cross an occultic symbol. There was no where in the Bible( bot O.T and N.T) where believers were told to make a sign of the cross so that they would be sanctified. It is either you are anointed with oil, Sprinkled with blood ( a type of the blood of Jesus) , do ritual bath ( a type of washing by the Word) , have your feet washed ( a type of sanctification by the grace of God through Jesus) or told to abstain from fornication. the only two places the cross came up was first in OT( looking at the cross , a type of Isa. 53 healing coming as a result of Christ’s death) or in NT admonition of carrying ones cross ( a figurative expression talking about a believers death to flesh, self and the world). Not for fashion, sign to be made to be sanctified or any other ritualistic purposes which some people use it for . Somebody asked an intelligent question once, and I want you to answer it within you honestly,the question goes thus “If your grandmother (God forbid) was killed by a sledge hammer , will you wear a miniature hammer around your neck in remembrance of her death?”. I love you more than not to tell you the truth , God bless Z3 family , David from Nigeria.

P.S: we have so many catholic churches and institution in my country, my mum attended a catholic school so I’m not attacking anybody by these posts but just like Paul stated that when he grew in faith he put away all childish things , I urge us brethren let us grow and put away heresies and syncretism etc. from our midst and our services.

michelle gibson
michelle gibson
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September 27, 2017 7:11 am

RedeemedDavid, may I say I do wear a cross for a reminder what Christ Jesus did for me. Honestly I do not compare what Jesus did on the cross as the same as something violent that could happen to my grandmother. When Jesus chose to go to the cross and die a horrible death in my place, I don’t take that lightly as some may. The cross for me is a reminder to die daily to self. And to remember what anything you might be going through is nothing to what Jesus went through. I hope this does not come out harsh. But I just wanted you to know how some of us may think.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 27, 2017 7:59 am
Joshua 2Tim.2:5-9,:16…..On adornment this is what the Scriptures teaches 1 Pet.3:3-6 ( God is pleased with a meek and quiet spirit not a loud heavily adorned rebellious self righteous etc. lifestyle.). Matt.12:50-pleasing the Heavenly Father is more important than using His name or claiming we are related to Him. Matt. 15:7-9-True worship is done in obedience to God’s Word not Doctrines or commandments of men.Luke 6:46-If you truly honour Jesus, if I truly honour Jesus we will do what He says not what we think is right.Luke 13:24-27 The way to the kingdom is strait many will not enter i.e. Don’t just do things because others are doing it investigate deeply to know if it pleases the Lord or its just religion or eye service. Seek to please the Lord not just eat and drink in His presence , or just using His name.John 14:15 If we truly love God we will keep God(Jesus and Holy Spirit included because they speak God’s Will). So you see it’s not about my opinion or what any sect does or does not: The important question is was it commanded by God, Inspired by the Holy Spirit, Lived by Jesus? Another rhetorical question (please don’t bother to reply) ” Why was it difficult for the Pharisees to identify Jesus even with all the fame power and glory that they need someone to identify Him among His Disciples ( why wasn’t he wearing a special religious ornaments,apparels maybe having a tattoo or two showing the Cherubims , Seraphims, 12 tribes of Israel, 10 commandments as a daily reminder not to sin etc?) ? I love you very much not to tell you the truth . May God bless Z3 family and make us New Testaments Prophets,Preachers,Evangelists,Teachers,Pastors,Apostles, Helpers,Ministers,Minstrels,Givers etc. written by the Spirit of God in… Read more »
Thomas Nodoubt
Thomas Nodoubt
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September 25, 2017 1:12 pm

David, may our Father (continue to) pour forth more of His wisdom through your mouth, that you will be filled with His boldness and may cry aloud at the heights, at the tops of the streets to shout out to all who desire Him as you love Him. Be blessed with more and more of Him in your life.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 25, 2017 9:06 pm

Amen. Thanks sir

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 6:06 pm

*Upside down cross not udown

Tony Koretz
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September 23, 2017 8:33 pm

That’s great info there Expat gal. It ties in well with two articles I have written and posted recently that deal with these subjects too. The most recent one was this one dealing with the Queen Of Heaven- A Deceptive Doctrine https://aminutetomidnite.com/deception-false-teaching/queen-of-heaven/

and previously back in July Joanie Stahl and I co-wrote an article that covers the Obelisks etc Deception In The Church -Ancient pagan origins https://aminutetomidnite.com/deception-false-teaching/deception-in-the-church-ancient-pagan-origins/

What you have written here sheds further light on these things.

Robert Bott
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September 23, 2017 11:02 pm

Tony one question….if Jesus is the King of your heart….why wouldn’t you consider His Holy Mother whom He loves so dearly the “Queen of your heart”? How can you love someone very deeply, and with great devotion and not love, respect, and honor your Beloveds Mother…..just doesnt make any common sense. May God bless you and give you the freedom to accept and love whom Jesus honors and loves, most assuredly His own dearest Mother

Connie Mell
Connie Mell
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September 24, 2017 6:52 am

Jesus called Mary “woman”. Who is my father and sister and brother, but he thay does Gods will. Mary was chosen as a vessel for a purpose. The veneration if Mary is an abomination. Period. The idols in cathedrals are an abomination. Period. Robert the walls of these buildings will fall eternally and this will be justice for a religion that is a lie, and a server of mammon and not God. You have been warned righteously. Get out of her my people.

Martin
Martin
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September 28, 2017 4:40 am

Mel Tari speaks of the catholic idols in Indonesia (Like a Mighty Wind).

Nickie
Nickie
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September 24, 2017 11:32 am
Dear Robert, I want to clarify something for you. In the Bible, God tells us to “honor” our mother and father, but nowhere in the Bible does it say to “worship” our mother and father. Even Jesus, when asked to come outside and see His mother, says to the people, ” Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” He then points to His disciples and says, ” Look, these are my mother and my brothers. Anyone who does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” (Mt 12: 46-50) So you see, Jesus puts his mother, in the same class as his disciples, showing us that we’re all one in Christ, and no one is to be put above the Almighty. The Bible speaks very clearly about worshipping only God. We cannot pray to a woman, who was born of a woman, and who died and was buried, and was not risen and brought back to life. She does not hear your prayers, and did not bring you to life in the first place. She holds no powers over life or death. She was used only as a vessel, to bring God’s only Son to life. Should we respect and honor who God chose as the mother of His beloved Son? Yes of course. But to worship her, to pray to her, and to put her in a position where she is above the Almighty, in my opinion, is a sin. Bible says the only way to heaven, is through Jesus. We must worship, and pray to Him, for He is the only one who hears our prayers. No human being has ever been able to hear our prayers, or ever will. That would take the need for God, out of our life,… Read more »
Tony Koretz
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September 24, 2017 4:50 pm

Robert Bott- I think I pretty clearly showed in my article on the Queen Of Heaven why the veneration that Catholics give to Mary as Mother Of God, and Queen Of Heaven follows pagan practices. That does not mean that I don’t believe that Mary has a special place in God’s eyes and heart as his chosen vessel of being Jesus earthly mother. But bowing down to statues of Mary and praying to her takes it to a whole different level that violates scripture

Lisa
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September 24, 2017 6:47 pm

Mary needed a savior just as we did. She was born to a man and woman and therefore had a sinful nature when she was born.. What a great honor it was for her to be chosen. Period.

The first church was made up of the 12 disciples who told the world of the good news. The left everything behind, only taking what clothes were on their bodies. The church was never a building nor an organization.

The Roman Catholic Church was not established until 300 years after Christ’s death. The same man who established the church also claimed that God told him to kill unbelievers (he saw a cross in the sky). Jesus himself told the disciples not to force people to accept him, but to shake the dust off their feet of towns where people didn’t believe. The ‘rock’ that Jesus spoke of the church being built on was Jesus Christ himself. He is referred to as the rock or the stone many times in the bible.

It saddens me that people believe the RCC is the church that Jesus established on earth.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 6:43 pm

Yes indeed I discovered that a long time ago . It’s part of the so called syncretism i.e. mixing of paganism with christianity- this was the way in which emperor constantine was able to unite the church with the pagans an rule over them making religion another branch of the state. He turned all the other pagan idols into saints by just changing their names. Just like satanists call Lucifer god deceiving people who believe they are referring to the God of the bible . so next time someone says God bless you ( check within your spirit esp. if you sense caution before agreeing or simply have faith in God that whosoever curse you is cursed.) Very soon the Truth will be visible for all to see. I love you much than not to tell you the Truth, God bless Z3 family

Lisa
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September 24, 2017 9:12 pm

Exactly, Constantine simply used religion as a tool for power. Nothing more.

Sheryl Fortnat
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September 24, 2017 10:44 pm

Tony?? I wonder. In your research, have you ever discovered what would have been the origin of ‘the sign of the cross’?? I have done a little research on the history of the rcc. I have read about the origin of many of the traditions and rituals of the rcc. And I was raised in a Catholic church and went to Catholic parochial school. But I have never discovered who or what the origin of the ‘sign of the cross’ might have been?? Many blessings to all here on z3. May the love and peace of Christ lead us all into His perfect wisdom and understanding.

Martin
Martin
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September 28, 2017 4:42 am

Nita Johnson speaks the same about Mary (Ashtoreth) worship.

William
William
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September 24, 2017 1:26 pm

Robert,
This is what Jesus told this woman “Daughter, she is Mary. Mary, who gave birth to Jesus Christ, Who I am. Daughter, I want to tell you that she has no knowledge of the things happening on Earth. I want to tell you that you must go and tell humanity, tell idol worshippers that hell is real, and that idolaters will not inherit My kingdom, but go and tell them that if they repent, they can enter My heavenly dwelling place. Go tell them that I love them and tell them that Mary has no knowledge of anything [happening on Earth] and the only One that they must exalt is Me, because neither Mary, nor St. Gregory nor any other saint can offer salvation. I am the only One who saves and outside of Me – nobody, nobody, nobody- saves!” He repeated it three times – that nobody could save; only He saves. ” https://divinekingdom.wordpress.com/angelica-zambrano-prepare-to-meet-your-god-1st-testimony-of-hell/
Please do not lose your salvation. ( I am not judging you. ).
In the bible, it never teach that you need to have anything to do with Mary in the practice of worshiping God or praying to God. You don’t need Mary to be saved,

jerry rigg
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September 24, 2017 9:39 am

There is no scriptural reference for Mary being the “queen” of anything. She was not a monarch. But , she has her place in the prophetic schema of course in the bible and should be held in high esteem for her actions which were honored and esteemed by God. Strange as a boy I attended a catholic church called “Queen of The Apostles” …I never put one and one together to figure out what this referred to. Problem I have is…Mary is NOT DIVINE, SHE IS NOT A MEDIATRIX OF GRACE…as claimed by the r.c. church. She is even displayed on the backside of crosses in some countries Ive heard unfortunately deepening the confusion, promoting the idolatry.

Michael G.
Michael G.
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September 24, 2017 10:33 pm

To what has already been said, I will add this: if veneration of Mary were important or in God’s will, the apostles would have done so. But the Book of Acts recounts no special mention of Mary, let alone honor or veneration.

We have one mediator between God and man, and that is Christ Jesus. We have one redeemer, Jesus. Yet the apparition calling itself Mary has claimed to possess saving grace and the ability to intercede for us.(see The Secret of the Rosary by Louis de Montfort).

Thomas Nodoubt
Thomas Nodoubt
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September 25, 2017 1:31 pm

Expat gal, a quick note that I believe the Father revealed to me about the catholic and NWO obsession with sexual organs is that of the original sin wherein Lucifer caused God’s crowning creation, man, to fall and be cast out of the only place Father had to fellowship in earth with Him(since God can not be in the presence of anything sinful or it is consumed by Him). That reference constantly (in phallic symbols and media proclaiming sexual liberation) is asatans way of waving the proverbial finger in Gods face through His creation, the man and woman, and saying, ” See here? See here what I have done to Your Precious Creation. They curse You and they deny You and they love my way and they love my sexual liberation of them.”
That inverted triangle symbol, the Jesuit symbol, is also indicative of that (sexual area) place where asatan corrupted Eve.

Savage
Savage
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September 24, 2017 3:28 am

Joanie, could he have been highlighting breast-breast-genitals rather than shoulder-shoulder-down? And am I correct in summarizing that the warning of the final end is when we begin seeing a new way of “crossing oneself”?

James Bailey
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September 23, 2017 8:54 pm

Thanks for explaining that. It reminds me of what Satan has done with pentagrams, which historically represented righteousness as long as they were in the upright position, but Satan’s minions inverted it to purposely make it unholy. The upright pentagram has one point on top, which represents God in the top position with our soul coming under His authority. The inverted pentagram has one point on the bottom, which puts our soul above the authority of God, which is why Satanists say, “Do what thou wilt.”

Satanists have also broken off part of the pentagram to change the power of it from an object that resists demons to one that attracts them. I don’t personally believe pentagrams have any power to oppose demons, just sharing what they have represented to people historically.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 6:50 pm

Thank you sir for your observation. Pentagram , holy water , rosaries , hail Marys mustard seeds etc. are all deception. the Blood of the lamb is the major weapon to repel darkness, also you can use the Word of God in attack like a sword , the shield of faith, Light of God’s presence in a believers life ( esp. those given to fasting and prayer and are living holy) etc. Different weapons as directed by the Holy Spirit even the name of Jesus esp in the mouth of an Holy Spirit filled and empowered believer. I do wonder where they get all those exorcism practices from. I have witnessed live deliverance sessions more than once- none required the use of all those former items listed above. I love you very much than not to tell you the truth. God bless Z3 family.

michelle gibson
michelle gibson
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September 27, 2017 8:49 am

James, this is what I saw, as soon as I read Joanie post.. the inverted triangle

William Michael
William Michael
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September 23, 2017 6:10 pm

It may be the index finger in America but we used the middle finger in U.K. for making the sign of the cross btw. Likewise, we tend to point with our middle finger too, not the index so it’s a cultural thing. What’s more important is the direction as you note and, yes, I noticed that her dream def was not showing the making of the cross.

Sujit Thomas
Contributor
September 24, 2017 2:53 am
When I came across this post, it struck me as being very intriguing. I read enough of it to decide that I had to read it properly again later, in quiet. From some of the initial comments, I gauged there was something about the sign of the cross, which caught my attention, and that was the prime reason I wanted to read the post again. Now, for those who may be unfamiliar, it is not just Catholics who make the sign of the cross. Protestant believers in Eastern churches practice it too, and I belonged to one such church. When I was still a part of that church, I’d never seen anything wrong with the original sign. (The movement is how Expat gal described it.) I still don’t see anything wrong with the sign, but I recognize that such a sign has come down as a tradition of man rather than a commandment of God. Anyway, I read the post again. And when I came to the part where the man made the sign—He stood there and with his index finger he pointed to both of his shoulders and then downward—his arm movement did not mirror the traditional sign of the cross. I thought I was missing something. So I read the post again. All I could make out was that the man’s sign could be construed to be an inverted triangle or a “7,” but this wasn’t the sign of the cross I had grown up accustomed to. Nevertheless, I “thought” that in some inexplicable manner it was the sign of the cross, but it just wasn’t making sense. So I closed my eyes and prayed, asking God what was he trying to draw my attention to and specifically if the sign of the cross was demonic. (As Joanie… Read more »
Matt NZ
Matt NZ
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September 24, 2017 4:04 am
Expat gal
Expat gal
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September 24, 2017 9:05 am
Very interesting point Matt NZ! I have been warning Catholic friends to test what the Pope is saying against Scripture. I know many Catholics & non-Catholics that “love” this Pope & because of this, seem to be FOLLOWING The Pope because of his charisma & their feelings for him. 😳. I believe the Pope will be the LARGEST REASON for The Great Falling Away! Additionally I believe he has tried to exalt himself by making declarations & advocating HERETICAL positions. He is trying to get BELIEVERS to follow HIM & HIS WORD, NOT God’s WORD! So it is very reasonable to think that this Pope would love Catholics to do this blessing/sacrament to him & honor HIM & remove any resemblance to the original Catholic sign of the cross which is meant to represent the Trinity. This is demonstrated in the latest challenge to these positions by several dozen Catholic conservative theologians, priests & academics – http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-conservative-theologians-pope-heresy-20170923-story.html As further proof of the Pope’s heretical positions, here is another document challenging his statements. “On June 29, 2016, 45 theologians from all over the world addressed to the Dean of the College of Cardinals, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, a critical analysis of the post-synodal exhortation Amoris laetitia in which they condemn 19 statements in this Papal document. Here is the full text of the critical analysis. See the English version of the letter to Cardinal Sodano and the names of the 45 signatories.” http://sspx.org/en/amoris-laetitia-critical-analysis The Vatican and this Pope will also PUSH the coming lie where there is a fake “alien invasion”, Project Blue Beam, and tell everyone that we are all descended from aliens and need to UNITE into a One Workd Religion, led by the The False Prophet, the Pope. We have ALL been PROGRAMMED for this lie: 1) The Vatican… Read more »
Matt NZ
Matt NZ
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September 24, 2017 1:20 pm

I was raised a Roman Catholic and I cringe at some of the things Pope Francis says. We have a Jesus denying, leftist / globalist as a Pope turning the RC church upside down. If there is a better candidate for the False Prophet, I can’t see it.

Martin
Martin
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September 28, 2017 4:54 am

https://www.handofhelp.com/vision_33.php
When I looked, above the planes, I saw a helicopter which hovered above them. On the side of the helicopter there was a plank, like on a ship, where soldiers were lined up, dressed in black, all armed the same, and of about the same size. From the center of the helicopter, a platform began to raise up. It rose higher than the helicopter itself.

On the platform was a throne. The POPE was on the throne, yelling with a loud voice, “I have been given the power to rule the earth and to fight against the Protestants, that I may overtake them.”

Matt NZ
Matt NZ
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September 28, 2017 1:26 pm

Wow, from Dimitru Dudeman. I had not seen that one before, thank you Martin.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 7:02 pm

That’s the point .

Jordan
Jordan
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September 24, 2017 10:57 am

Matt that’s what I immediately thought of when I first read the post.

James Bailey
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September 24, 2017 7:44 am

That’s a great point Matt.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 7:00 pm

Dear Sujit, the tradition of man has no place in spiritual battle as evident by the way Lucifer twisted the scriptures in tempting Jesus and what happened to the seven sons of Sceva . There are weapons God has given us let’s stick to them. The fact that some eastern pentecostals make the sign doesn’t give it any validity more than a believer who drinks and fornicates and still ministers. Like i pointed out there’s an upside down cross in luciferian occultic society worship. That’s why you see illuminati stars from Tupac to lady Gaga and others using placing themselves on the cross at the back of their albums. They are deluded into thinking the cross was a victory for lucifer. Let’s stick to what has been proved (like David refused Saul’s armour)and has not been corrupted . God bless you. I love you very much not to tell you the truth . God bless Z3 family.
Finally if anyone has any issue with my posts take it to the Lord for confirmation and be led by the Holy Spirit . David

Marisol
Marisol
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September 23, 2017 1:38 pm

I am also Catholic.
Friends, much Catholic prophecy talks about the smoke of Satan infiltrating the Vatican in the end days. We will have a final schism and many will follow a false version of catholism while the rest of us will be driven into hiding.
Read the prophecies of Lasallette.

Regarding the sign of the cross… There will appear in heaven a light in the shape of the cross. This sign will preceed a miracle which will be what we call the revelation of souls where God will reveal to every human being the state of their soul. This is the part in Revelation where the heavens roll back like a scroll and silence is heard, etc…

PLEASE don’t bother to make denigrating comments about my faith. I only write this so that when you see it happen you will know it has been announced and believe.

The solar eclipse was a warning to all of us. Soon we will see the moon turn into blood as the great and terrible day of the Lord approaches.

As for me, I will spend my time praying for mercy and repeating a prayer God spoke to me a few nights ago…

“Most Precious Blood of Jesus cover me, most Precious Blood of Jesus illuminate me, most Precious Blood of Jesus sanctify me, most Precious Blood of Jesus save me”

May God have mercy on us all.

Marisol

Expat gal
Expat gal
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September 23, 2017 7:00 pm
Marisol – I am concerned by your post as there was no “denigration” of Catholicism in Joanie’s post. It is important for all of us to test our pastors & churches to verify if the teaching, beliefs and practices are consistent with Scripture. If they are not, we need to remove these things from our life, ESPECIALLY in the times we are in. Your defensiveness & link to the Catholic faith could be a possible future hindrance in your walk with God. I was raised Catholic & knew many people that seemed committed to their relationship with God. I knew other Catholics that did not seem committed to their faith. I observed similar behavior in the Presbyterian faith. We need to beware of falling into “identity religion” in these times. If a person chooses to follow his/her specific denomination which condones a practice (ex. Same sex marriage) which is against Scripture, this person will become a part of “The Great Falling Away”. There are people in this group that have received validation, including me, that Pope Francis is the False Prophet. The Vatican has been involved in some very disturbing practices, including the cover up of pedophilia. However I believe that many people in this group do not “lump everything into one bucket” so to speak. Thus I can come out strongly against the Pope when he advances One World Religion goals and makes statements that directly conflict with Scriptural truth or against the Vatican after pedophile activity is revealed but still be able to feel positive about many Catholics, including family members, that are walking with God. Do not allow the Hegelian dialect, where you have to choose one of two Completely Opposing positions. What concerns me are the Catholics or any member of any denomination that have an… Read more »
Linda Courtney
Linda Courtney
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September 24, 2017 3:17 pm

To Epat gal,

Your message is wonderful, full of truth and anointed with Gods Grace. Jesus Christ has but ONE TRUE CHURCH, which is His body on earth, his Bride. Only those who can say from their HEART, and mean it, that they have accepted Jesus alone as their Savior, minus any other religious addition can be “saved.”

If a Catholic tells me for instance, they are saved BUT they must attend Sunday/ Saturday evening Mass and receive Communion to fulfill what is needed for salvation I would question if they are truly Born Again. The same applies to Mormons, J.W’s and any other type of “Christian” church.
Salvation is granted to a person because they have accepted Jesus Christ and trust in Him and His FINISHED work on the cross and that alone.

And by the way, I was a very devout Roman Catholic for the first 26 years of my life. At age 26 God granted me a personal salvation experience in my home and I was genuinely BORN AGAIN. I was delivered out of darkness into the Kingdom of Gods Dear Son.

The True Church is comprised of the Elect whom God Himself calls out by the Holy Spirit to receive as their SAVIOR His Son the Lord Christ.

With deepest respect and love to all,
Linda

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
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September 24, 2017 10:47 am

Perfectly worded.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 7:13 pm

In fact for this post you’re like a role model for me in this community . I will watch out for your posts and read them from time to time. God bless you Expat gal …. I admire your courage, wealth of experience , candor and preaching the truth in love etc. God bless you, your family and ministry.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 7:13 pm

*to me not for me

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 7:05 pm

God bless you for posting this . Spot on

Francy Carl
Contributor
September 24, 2017 3:39 pm

Hi Marisol,

In the end, nothing will matter if you have not experienced being born again. Have you had this experience? You don’t have to answer publicly. If you are unsure, please ask the Father in Jesus name to walk you through it.
It’s not about being right or wrong or doing prayers. There’s nothing we can possibly do to save ourselves.
If you feel led to please go to my site: awakenbyjesus.com
I believe it will bless you!
Love,
Francy

Julia
Julia
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September 23, 2017 5:12 pm

The Warning or the Illumination of the Conscience will involve a miraculous sign of the cross in the sky. Gifted prophets from all Christian denominations have talked about this miracle which will be part of the 6th Seal. I encourage readers to research the event happening on October 12th involving NASA and the asteroid defense system.

Robert Bott
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September 23, 2017 10:50 pm

Julia….thank you for sharing this truth, I concur with what you are saying, yet so many will not understand, but I feel any true devoted lover and follower of Jesus WILL recognize HIs sign and with prayer I am certain the Holy Spirit will instruct and guide each one. God bless you I look forward to researching this Oct 12 statement.

Robert Bott
Member
September 23, 2017 10:10 pm

Julia you are right on the mark….sadly many do not know about the “sign” in the sky and what it means the beginning of the three days of darkness

Michael Perritte
Michael Perritte
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September 24, 2017 8:18 am

I never cease to be amazed at some of the wild tangents individuals go on in response to a dream, vision or word posted on Z3 usually expressing their personal opinion or something they hold dear. These are unprecedented times! Our personal opinions and the traditions of man are meaningless in this hour. Lets humbly and wisely embrace the example of Daniel, God understanding and interpretation are yours. We seek your face for both.

jerry rigg
Member
September 24, 2017 2:00 am

Again I go back to the vision given to David Wilkerson, didnt he mention the rise of something called “the Superchurch” which the Vatican would ultimately be behind. And it would cause many to join it, because of its seemingly good social activism. Yes, I dont trust the Pope or the Vatican, they are partnering hand in hand with the Muslims.

Marilee Alm
Member
September 24, 2017 6:12 am

HI Jerry, This reminds of the word about good moral activism rising up and we do not join b/c they are doing it in their own strengh. It was a church movement, but in the flesh.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 7:15 pm

Spot on sir . God bless you.

brian
brian
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September 24, 2017 6:05 pm

and some who call themselves christian

Daniel
Daniel
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September 23, 2017 2:09 pm

Ok so from what I’ve read Catholics while “crossing” themselves, touch the head and say in the name of the “father”, chest “the son”, shoulders “and the Holy Spirit”. If indeed the sign in this dream was the cross then the man not touching his head would leave out the father. Jesus came in the fathers name, “one will come in his own name, and him you will accept”. He will acknowledges the body but denies the head. I wonder if the pope has or will sign the cross this way, definitely something to pray about and watch for.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 23, 2017 2:18 pm

I shared a link about the Popes head injury while riding the Popemobile. Recently the Pope was seen meeting with the leader from the Middle East who was linked to a major terrorist group. I also shared how I saw 333 more than 2 weeks ago. The truth is Christians are ignoring the signs like Lot continued to dwell in the Land of Sodom and Gomorrah despite all the open rebellion against God till an angel had to forcefully evacuate him and his family (even in the process of leaving Lots wife disobeyed a direct order. I was chatting with a group of younger graduates on whatsapp today. These are the people I have been preaching to for over 2 years …One of them told me not to talk about Armageddon or Prophecy when talking about the 3 World War. This brother is a Christian by the way and attends a Pentecostal church. All I can say is until our life and lifestyle is radically altered by God for His purpose, we are not better than the masses who are being led to their destruction,no matter our level of exposure or revelation we need to respond to God’s call for separation from the world unto God. God bless you Joanie ,God bless the Z3 family.

Marilee Alm
Member
September 24, 2017 6:14 am

amen David, sobering word.

Jessica
Jessica
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September 23, 2017 8:41 pm

Omgoodness!! This is confirmation to a scripture that the Lord gave me to read and share yesterday while I was in prayer. When I read your dream and its interpretation, I immediately thought of it.
Ezekiel 33: 31-33: “My people come to you, as they usually do, and sit before you to hear your words, but they do not put them into practice. Their mouths speak of love, but their hearts are greedy for unjust gain. Indeed, to them you are nothing more than one who sings love songs with a beautiful voice and plays an instrument well, for they hear your words but do not put them into practice. When all this comes true—and it surely will—then they will know that a prophet has been among them.”
Sounds like a reference to a sleeping church if I ever heard one. This is just heartbreaking. I pray we heed this call from the Lord🙁

William Michael
William Michael
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September 23, 2017 6:06 pm

As when I first read this transcript from 2016, Jose did not help at all and only got in the way of the boy’s revelation. It is clear by David’s replies that Jose is just blabbing and halting the free flow of revelation. He doesn’t even get the part about the suffering of those believers, not non believers as Jose states.

Danielle Patton
Danielle Patton
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September 23, 2017 7:19 pm

I agree there’s is way too much Jose in there there’s very little of David talking.

Tony Koretz
Member
September 23, 2017 8:45 pm

Just remember that the conversation was never intended to be a broadcast. For whatever reason Jose felt to record it. He never knew it would end up becoming part of a broadcast until months later Brook, Joanie and I stressed to Jose that people needed to hear this and specifically asked him if we could publish it. Until them only a small group of us hd ever heard it. You can’t view this like some sort of planned interview or staged broadcast. It is what it is- a conversation between an uncle and his nephew who was seeing an open vision, not a pre- practiced event.

DebR
DebR
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September 25, 2017 10:29 am

Tony,
Do you think that you would be able to do a follow up interview with that young man who had the open vision? I know that it was not planned to publish the first event but I feel like there is so much more that young man could share on his experience. I really wished the Uncle would have let him speak on what was happening and what he was seeing, the uncle interrupted too much. I would love to see a follow-up interview with this young man

Tony Koretz
Member
September 29, 2017 6:55 am

I have mentioned a couple of times to Jose ( the uncle) that it would be great to get them both on. At some point I hope we will be able to organise that. I feel that would be a really good idea.

Mikey H
Mikey H
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September 29, 2017 9:24 am

That will be awesome, thanks Tony.

Dovid Hafner
Dovid Hafner
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September 24, 2017 7:25 pm

Tony are you familiar with the association of the Illuminate/Freemasons with the Vatican? There is a symbol that exists in secret within the Freemason religion that is alive and well today. I don’t know if this is what Joanie was shown but it is connected with sexual magic and is called the Triple Tau. It is on the cover of Aleister Crowley’s book of magic and is also called the emblem of Mercury and referred to as “the crux Hermis”. Serious Masons understand what it is and what it means! Here is the symbol link. Scroll down and look for the symbol I have indicated..
http://www.christian-restoration.com/fmasonry/symbols.htm#Occult links to symbols
This ties in with the hyper-sexuality and perversion that is expanding exponentially in our world currently. It is a modern witchcraft brought back from the ancients.

Shalom Aleichem
Your Brother in Y’shua

Tony Koretz
Member
September 29, 2017 6:59 am

I only just saw this Dovid or I would have replied earlier. But we have now communicated via email. That’s a good link you shared there. Joanie Stahl is actually very clued up on freemasonry. She knows more about it than most people as she researched it heavily in the past. It is certainly possible that what she saw was the Triple Tau.

Rebecca Bonnell
Member
September 24, 2017 8:43 am

Very interesting Dream Dear Joanie and i believe that this dream is another confirmation of what Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ has given to Dear Erin Aleshire of http://sparrowcloud9.com/contact/

She was told that the Pope will design and have made a new sign that will replace The Cross for all to worship.
The New Sign will be made up of star, a cross, a crescent with a sapphire stone in the middle, which will celebrate the joining of the World’s religions but will have Nothing to do with worshiping The True Almighty Father GOD YAHWEH via His Son Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ.

GOD BLESS You for posting this warning. XXX

Expat gal
Expat gal
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September 24, 2017 11:01 am

Rebecca – Thank you for posting this! I was trying to find this dream of Erin’s to share with Joanie & the Z3 community. I do believe these are linked as you astutely pointed out.

Satan wants to counterfeit God and his Creation so he constantly tries to MODIFY since Satan can not create. This is why there is a HUGE push to sell people on becoming TRANSHUMAN because it will make humans “better”, “stronger”, “smarter”, etc. Yet those of us earnestly following God know that God’s work is PERFECT, even if viewed imperfectly by non-believers.

The Pope has already released a video about the push for a new One World Religion – https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ya3XGZxb1XU

I expect to see this new ritual/sign to be proposed by next year at the latest…..

Rebecca Bonnell
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September 24, 2017 8:43 pm
jerry rigg
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September 24, 2017 9:46 am

Im sorry Susan, but this practice of “praying to deceased people, like saints and including Mary” is termed NECROMANCY, which is forbidden BY scripture. If you research r.c. doctrine the claim is made ….in the roman catholic mindset…its like a two way street….our prayers “for the deceased” help them and their prayers help us……..this mindset is NOT supported by scripture and is an abomination before a holy and just God. Bottom line…communication with the dead is FORBIDDEN BY SCRIPTURE.

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September 24, 2017 3:33 pm

Susan, I think what is key here is what you say about Mary pointing us to her son. She is saying, “Don’t look at me; look at Him.” He is the author of salvation, the intercessor for us all. Jesus says that “No one can come to the Father but by me.” Gone are the ways of being right with God in the Old Testament by keeping the law, which for us is impossible; but Jesus kept the law perfectly and therefore became the perfect, sinless, ultimate offering for our sins. We need only look to him.

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
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September 24, 2017 10:46 am

It is my understanding that Catholics pray to Mary and other saints. That would mean she/they is more revered than Jesus which goes against the Wird of God.

Stella
Stella
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September 24, 2017 5:30 pm

Hello Susan, I was a catholic until 1988 when I got born again. I attended a convent boarding school, did all the catholic rituals like confession and confirmation but had no special relationship with my Saviour.
Everything that RedeemedDavid and others are saying here, please my dear sister is true about the Catholic faith. I can never feel at ease going back there to worship even when some members of my family invite me for an event.
The idols made by human hands in the places of Catholic worship are just too much for me now. Please I do not mean any offence but this is coming from an ex Catholic convent educated sister in the Lord. Peace!

William
William
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September 24, 2017 1:53 pm

One act is worship or not, your own understanding does not count. It is what Jesus says count, as in here: https://divinekingdom.wordpress.com/angelica-zambrano-prepare-to-meet-your-god-1st-testimony-of-hell/
In the bible, it never teach that you need to have anything to do with Mary in the practice of worshiping God or praying to God. You don’t need Mary to be saved.

Francy Carl
Contributor
September 24, 2017 1:20 pm

Susan,

I humbly ask… Have you been born again?

brian
brian
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September 24, 2017 5:57 pm
i asked this question of my wife before i became a christian but was on the way to becoming one. i asked her why she worships mary when it is clearly breaking the first commandment. she replied that catholics didnt worship mary but simply venerated her. i replied that there is no difference between worshipping and venerating – all it is is semantics. mother and child worship goes back to babylon and mary is but one incarnation of others who go by the names of isis, semiramis, ceres, venus etc etc. every society and civilisation had a counterpart including the chinese. i could never resolve why catholics worshipped mary to the extent they do until i started digging into catholic history and the origins of the cc. i discovered that constantine merely christianised the pagan gods and goddesses and we have today the result of that marriage in the saints and mary. all the roman gods at that time simply changed names and became peter etc and became patron saints of wine (bacchus), thieves, prostitutes, and every other occupation good or bad of mankind. the catholic church never changed. they still worship dagon, the fish god – (look at the regalia the pope wears – the mitre is a fish head (viewed from side on) and the cloak is reminiscent of fish scales. no susan you dont not worship mary. she is not and cannot be a mediator as you say. if you dont want to believe the oracles that speak against this then go to the one true source wherein it is stated that “for there is ONE god, ONE mediator between god and men, the man christ jesus” 1 timothy 2.5 to the rest of the forum i have also noticed that bring people out of catholicism is… Read more »
RoseKne
RoseKne
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September 24, 2017 4:50 pm

We do owe so much to the Holy Spirit who swept over the men of God who spent up to 30 or more years writing on sheep skins by candle light in dark monasteries translating the Word from Greek to Latin or Hebrew to Greek. A time when few people could read and the sign of the cross spoke to people

Karen G
Member
September 24, 2017 7:26 pm

I am from South America, my grandparents were Catholics, my parents were catholic, everybody worshiped Mary and other idols. That is why after accepting Jesus we looked for a different church.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 6:36 pm

There’s nothing sacred about tradition, Jesus Christ never died to give us tradition of men. He gave us simple commandments: love God and others. Preach the gospel. Be baptised in water and the Holy spirit. Take Holy communion in remembrance of me. Keep God’s commandments. All others are addition and do not contribute to spiritual growth. Beware of the leaven of the pharisees ( even so called Christians who are nothing but pharisees). I love you more than not to tell you the truth. God bless Z3 family.

Phanuel
Phanuel
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September 24, 2017 3:32 pm

Moses and Elijah are very much alive. God is not God of the dead, but He is God of the living. These two are the two witnesses of Revelation 11. They testified about the Lordship & Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ on the mount of transfiguration. One was buried by God Almighty himself to preserve his body and the other was taken alive to heaven in a whirlwind. One more time they shall testify and prophesy about the Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem. One more time. These as the two olive trees that stand before the Lord of the earth like they did when the stood before the Lord Jesus Christ (Lord of the earth) on the mount of transfiguration. Glory to the most high God.

“And I will give power to my two witnesses and they shall prophesy 1260 days (3.5 yrs) clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, the two candlesticks that stand before the God of the earth.” Rev 11:3-4
Shalom

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RSS
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September 24, 2017 5:25 pm

What I am saying is we pray only to our Heavenly Father in Jesus’ name. There is no need to pray to Mary, or to anyone else. We have a direct line to God through Jesus, our High Priest. I am not trying to pick a fight here. I have plenty of Catholic family and have attended many Catholic services in my lifetime, so I know all about the importance of Mary in the Catholic faith. I have seen much in the church, Catholic and Protestant, that is tradition and not biblical, and this is one of those things.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 6:13 pm

Infact if Mary could come to this earth presently I believe she would tell the people to stop using her name in prayer. Someone spoke of having an heavenly experience in which the person saw the real Mary crying loudly over this issue. There many instances where angels came to give messages to people in the bible and on no occasion do people recite the message of the angels in their prayer as a way of getting God to listen to their petition.

RoseKne
RoseKne
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September 24, 2017 11:40 am

I wonder about Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah. Did they come down to earth and talk to him? Or did he go up to them like Paul whether in the body or not. Also what about the saints who came out of their graves after Jesus death and walked around the city and were seen by many. I don’t have answers just things I ponder.

Martin
Martin
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September 28, 2017 5:07 am

Moses and Elijah both appeared on earth to talk to Jesus. Rick Joyner has spoken to many of the people mentioned in the Bible when they show up to give Rick a message or teaching.

RedeemedDavid
RedeemedDavid
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September 24, 2017 6:31 pm

*in the same not saetcme

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RSS
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September 24, 2017 6:08 pm

I disagree; it’s not the same as asking friends to pray for you, but I am leaving this conversation. I can see we are both holding tightly to our separate biblical beliefs, so there is no more room for discussion. Thanks for sharing your viewpoints.

RoseKne
RoseKne
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September 24, 2017 5:13 pm

So when Moses comes back will he be in a Resurrected body to witness to others after that he will be killed and resurrected for a second time, as you did state that he died and was buried by God the first time

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