History has a way of repeating itself. King Solomon wrote, “That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9).
Solomon understood every event under heaven, which includes literally everything, happens at an appointed time and season (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8). That means nothing happens randomly or by chance, but right on schedule according to historical patterns, which are often referred to as cycles. Whether we realize it or not, these patterns are continually happening all around us in every area of our life. Examples include our daily sleep cycles, aging cycles, climate cycles, harvest cycles, economic cycles, solar cycles, lunar cycles, tidal cycles, war cycles, and on and on.
This article examines how historical patterns might be repeating right now in the equities market. History shows four of the biggest stock market crashes in the past hundred years all occurred during the Jewish holy days of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, including 1929, 1987, 2001, and 2008. The odds of having so many crashes coinciding with these Jewish holy days is extremely remote. It appears to be another way God reveals Himself to the world as the one who is sovereign over the affairs of men. Only God could orchestrate the countless investment decisions made by millions of investors throughout the world to bring markets crashing down precisely on these dates, yet it has happened repeatedly.
Could it happen again in 2016? If there is going to be a market crash in 2016 and if the historical pattern is repeated, the Jewish holy days are strong possibilities and they are coming soon. Rosh Hashanah 2016 is only three weeks away, starting at sunset on Sunday October 2 and ending at sunset on Tuesday October 4. Yom Kippur 2016 follows ten days later, starting at sunset on Tuesday October 11 and ending at sunset on Wednesday October 12.
The last major crash of the stock market started on Rosh Hashanah 2008. Now we are seeing some similarities between 2008 and 2016. As shown in the graph below, both years moved sideways in August and early September, then both showed a small drop in early September. Last Friday’s 394-point drop matches a similar drop 344-point drop on September 4 2008.
Seven Things To Expect if 2008 Pattern Repeats:
The following list shows seven things we might see happening over the next few weeks if the remainder of 2016 follows the pattern from 2008.
First, we would see a fast and full recovery from last Friday’s sharp drop (Note: I originally wrote this yesterday before seeing the today’s 239-point rally in the Dow). The drop continued this morning for a total of about 450 points. In 2008, the recovery only took two days. So we might see the Dow climbing back up another 175 points in the next day or two.
Second, immediately after recovering from the 450-point drop, we would see another similar drop, about the same size. In 2008, it was a one-day drop on the very next trading day, so that might happen around September 14-15.
Third, after dropping back down again, we would see another fast recovery. In 2008, it happened in two trading days, but only recovered about two-thirds of the drop, so we might see that on about September 15-16.
Fourth, immediately after those two smaller drops and recoveries, we would see a much larger drop, which I believe is the second hangman (see dream shared by Z3 contributor Jim Reeve), starting on about Monday September 19. In 2008, the Dow dropped 7.1% in three trading days. Assuming the drop begins at about 18,350 and drops by the same 7.1%, the Dow would reach 17,047, which would be about a 1,300-point drop.
17,047 is close to the Brexit low of 17,063 and a return to that level fits several prophetic insights, but as always it is subject to interpretation because we only see in part (1 Corinthians 13:9).
Personally, I have not seen any numbers for the second hangman, but I saw a graph showing an inverse EFT (UVXY) shooting straight up like a rocket after a period of sideways movement with some small bumps along the way. UVXY moved sideways during the month of August. It has become a little more volatile in September, but if we see the two drops listed above with recoveries from each of them, the net result would be more sideways movement for UVXY with some bumps along the way. So the 2008 historical pattern fits with what I saw.
Fifth, after the second hangman, we would see an immediate and full recovery beginning on about September 22. In 2008, the rebound happened in just two trading days. With a Fed meeting scheduled for September 21, the timing of this miraculous recovery would make them look like heroes. What a coincidence that would be!
A few months ago, Z3 contributor J M shared a prophetic dream in which he saw Fed Chairman Janet Yellen throwing a Whole Foods grocery bag over her shoulder. In other words, the Fed was carrying the market on their back. A rebound like this could be the fulfillment of what he saw.
Sixth, after the two-day recovery from the big drop, we would see the market drift virtually sideways for about a week before starting an even larger drop, which would be the start of the third hangman. If we see a similar one-week period of sideways movement this year, the drop would begin on about September 29. In 2008, the market dropped 7% (777 points) in one day, hitting bottom at 10,365. In 2016, a 7% drop starting at about 18,350 would hit bottom at 17,065, which is close to what I saw in a vision earlier this year. I saw a line graph dropping almost straight down. In the right axis I saw the number 16, which I interpreted to mean the Dow would drop below 17,000 before bouncing.
Seventh, following the steep 7% drop in 2008, the market dropped another 24% over the next two weeks, finally hitting bottom at 7,882 in intraday trading on October 10 2008. If we see a similar two-week drop, it would begin very close to Rosh Hashanah, which starts at sunset on October 2, and end a few days after Yom Kippur. If we see a similar size drop starting from the bottom of the previous drop (17,065), the Dow would hit bottom at 12,969. In a separate vision earlier this year, I saw a line graph showing a steep drop. In the right axis, I saw the number 11, which I interpreted to mean the Dow would drop below at least briefly below 12,000 into the 11,000 range. So perhaps the drop starts from a lower point, or it is larger than 7% on the first day, or it drop more than 24% during the following two weeks.
Conclusion:
For now, this is just a fun exercise speculating on what would happen if we repeat the sequence of events from 2008. This is not a word from God and definitely not a recommendation for investing. It is merely providing insights into historical patterns, so it is something to watch and see what happens.
If the first few steps listed above start happening, it would give more weight to the possibility that all seven steps might happen. In that scenario, this information would be a valuable guide for traders during the coming crash.
On the other hand, if the steps don’t happen, then 2016 might follow a different historical pattern. Another possibility is the timing of the 2016 crash might be triggered by Yom Kippur rather than Rosh Hashanah, which would push the dates back by a couple of weeks hitting bottom in late October. Another possibility is no market crash happens in 2016.
Historical patterns can be very helpful, but they are even better when confirmed by prophetic insights. The two working together provides a more complete picture.
Thanks to my friend Aaron Brickman for sharing this historical data with me. Aaron is a businessman and market investor who successfully traded the crashes in 2001 and 2008.
Author: James Bailey
James Bailey is a blogger, business owner, husband and father of two grown children. In 1982, he surrendered his life to the Lord Jesus Christ. In 2012, he founded Z3news.com to broadcast the message of salvation by reporting end time news before it happens.
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Z3 – this is for us.
Yesterday I decided to listen to the youtube sessions of the Sydney ‘Come Lord Jesus Prophetic Conference’ that was on the weekend. It just so happens that Neville Johnson shared about an experience he had when the Lord took him to hell and he found King Solomon’s crown of wisdom.
Neville found himself in a place where there were creatures packing up boxes of things and he asked the Lord ‘What is all this stuff?’ The Lord said that these were things that He had given to people and they had subsequently lost them. Neville noticed a crown moving along a conveyer belt and asked the Lord about it. The Lord said it had belonged to King Solomon. Solomon lost it towards the end of his life and the enemy took it captive. It was a crown of wisdom. The angel next to Neville told him to grab it and run. When he finally got out of hell he found himself in heaven and watched as the Lord examined the crown as He explained that it was a gift, a gift of wisdom. It had nothing to do with Solomon’s character.
The Lord said “I’m going to multiply these crowns of wisdom and I am going to make them available to my people to build the house of the Lord in these end times.”
You can listen to this story in this video – at the 1hr mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkKzpdr63TI
Be blessed!
Thanks for sharing this great word Aris.
That’s very interesting….1 Corinthians 1:30 – Jesus IS our Wisdom. Hallelujah!
Oh wow, that conference was held at my church and I didn’t even know about it. So much for unity in the body of Christ and promoting events run by other churches!
That’s crazy Rob. The good news is they videoed these sessions and the blessing can spread.
How are you doing?
Hey Aris, I’m doing better although its been a rough week as I’ve been on heavy medication. That is finished now so hopefully I pray and I declare its over now and I’ll recover fast.
We are in agreement with you for a fast recovery Rob!
Hi Rob, I imagine ‘heavy’ medication is a big hit to your whole body, as well as targeting your specific need. Are you giving your body a big hit of all the good stuff to get it to start repairing? Antioxidants, probiotics, etc. Over the counter products are not what you think they are – it’s all marketing – so be careful as they wont work affectively. Look for pharmaceutical grade as these products will contain what the manufacture says they should contain. This has been a learning curve for me personally.
I will Amen what James said and agree with you for fast recovery.
Bless you Rob.
For the Josephs, from my readings this morning:
“Whoever increases wealth by taking interest or profit from the poor
amasses it for another, who will be kind to the poor.” Prov 28:8 NIV
A few comments. Remember that individual stock movements can often provide greater return potential (specifically with options) than straight index moves or 2/3 x ETFs. Obviously ask the Lord to speak to you specifically about what he wants you to do. Less (return) may be more (better) in this case if He so directs. Better to follow Him. One such stock to keep an eye on and possibly pray about may be Bank of America BAC. In 2012 John Paul Jackson spoke about Bank of America continuing to shrink, announcing more job cuts then being nationalized in essence like with GM he said. In 2008 GM moved from around $28 earlier in the year to under $2 by Nov 2008. If BofA is nationalized the stock could obviously see a strong move lower at some point. Out of money puts could very productive. On the rate hike possibility, I had a dream in April ’16 where interest rates are raised taking a lot of people by surprise and stocks sell off. I was not shown which month. As of yesterday Friday 16th Sep Fed funds futures are pricing in an 18% chance of a rate hike on Sep 21. My intention is currently to have some short exposure by early next week. Things are getting much closer now I feel. BTW it is wonderful to hear people on this site cheering on those involved in the markets when not participating themselves. That’s a beautiful thing. An experience that may be some help, In 2008 the Lord graciously showed me a vision of a particular bank stock which was going to drop substantially. I bought out of money put options which was hard to do before all the drama and the markets tanked. Anyway the options increased in value by many… Read more »
Hi Fred – Interesting that you mention BAC. Had a unction to short (conservatively) last week. Is that your best guess on the “”bank stock you saw in your dream”” – what stocks do you sense we should be on the look out for?
I sense there is a real chance at the rate hike. Brandon Smith , who called BREXIT correctly (unlike everyone else ) sees a rate hike coming:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-14/world-turning-ugly-2016-winds-down
John,
Automotive stocks in my opinion will be a good pick soon. Sales figures are dropping, inventories are rising. Their only option will be to start slower production which leads to layoffs and that makes share holders not happy campers. Just 1 example is Ford. In 08 they were trading around 13-15 range. After the dust settled on the crash they hit a low of about $1.25 and in only a few months went back up. Good play down and up.
Ed – Good call on the auto industry. The auto loan crash will crush any profit growth…
Ford was totally out of cash at the time and had to sell some assets if i remember. I told my father in law to buy but he didn’t. Too bad I didn’t have any $ in my account back then!. Not sure if Ford’s position is this weak this time around. Your best bets are always the ones the Lord shows you…. SNS
SNS,
I agree Ford is in a better position now than 08. Too bad your father in law did not listen to you he could have done very well. I was not in the markets back then, but I used to track some stocks just to see how they did. I was watching Starbucks, Ford and Mattel.
I have some F options now. They are cheap and can move 50% with only a little price drop on the actual stock. Just last week F dropped .32 and the options went up 150%.
SNS, I don’t hear from the Lord like some on here. I pray about my decisions and try to be wise about it. Well except last week, I went for a homerun and struck out. I was set for a game winning grand slam but instead got sent to the dugouts. Epic fail
Edh, I think your dream of the two oil trucks driving over the cliff was dead-on. SNS
John – I’m waiting for confirmation on specific stocks for this next move lower. Useful to look at PEs, option prices, volatility etc also. BAC looks interesting. Getting timing and strike right is key.
Fred, thank you for sharing! This is a good word and great information. Blessings, Corrine
Fred,
I had BAC puts about 3 weeks before Brexit. They started going down in value as Brexit approached. I had a feeling Brexit was going to happen. The BAC puts dropped to .02 and also .01. I bought 100 contracts at $11P when BAC was trading at about $13 and change. Brexit hit and the options shot through the the roof to .13 cents. Almost 1100% gain. My $1000 investment went to over $9300 on Friday after Brexit.
Further down Mark asked James about BAC and his comment was he tries to go short time frame for less money. He is absolutely right. If anyone is interested in BAC look up the further out option daily price movements and you will see why he likes the closer plays.
This is just my opinion only. I think the last hangman is our banking crisis crash . I could be wrong on that but that’s my thought. Also keep your eyes on DB they also are in serious trouble and puts on them will also do well.
Fred,
Typo on the contracts . I bought 750 contracts
Hi Ed – great trade – I am sure the VIX spike worked in your favor – since BREXIT took place in June – what was the expiry date on your contracts – 3rd Friday July – (or closer in?) If we do see FAZ rise in the near term – would seem this might be an opportunity – right now BAC trades at 15.48 – Strike 14 – Oct 7 EXP have a 0.04 / 0.07 spread – interested in comparing notes…
John,
I don’t know if you own those yet. The $14 is a good pick not too far out. Just this next drop could put you ITM . If it does sell them all. Don’t get greedy and wait for one more day. Trust me if there is a bounce the very next day those options will drop by half their value.
They were for 07/15 if I remember right I bought for one month out. I agree we can all learn from each other. I had DB as well it did good but not anywhere near BAC. I also had JPM but it was a loser. I bought Uvxy puts last week when the markets climbed big and did very well. I bought Uvxy call options yesterday first thing at open they went up 40% in about an hour should have sold . I ended up getting out at -5% . I’m watching AAPL their stock price has risen a lot the last couple of days because of the iPhone 7. I think puts will do ok when the markets start dropping.
I’m not a day trader or even that experienced yet. I’m just trying to go with what the markets are doing and not trying to guess what they will do. I have also learned it’s better to stay near the strike price a lot less risk and way better gains when it goes your way. And less loss when it does not.
I’m not sure if this 2nd hangman is going to affect the overall economy just yet. But on the 3rd one down to the 11,xxx range. I think puts on any company will do well. And when it’s all done switch to calls.
Hi Ed – Let me know what options you plan to invest in to prepare for the 2nd Hangman coming soon. Is SDS and UVXY options a good start?
Charles,
I’m looking at SPY,SDS ,UVXY , QID and DXD
Hey man how are you doing? To be honest I don’t have a plan yet set in stone.
Here’s my thinking right now. If Monday opens higher I’m going with puts on UVXY and calls on SDS. I will watch it closely and sell at any sign of a reversal. If markets open down I will wait a bit and see if it stays down before getting in. Same with Tuesday. I will get out Tues before close.
Wed morning is another story. I’m pretty sure the fed won’t raise rates;however, that can go either way . Not raising rates means the economy has no growth and all their monetary policies are a joke. Raising rates will shock all the investors thinking there won’t be a rate hike and like John posted earlier watch out game over.
That’s when I will act. I’m seriously going to be in prayer about going partial short on Tues end of day if we get a bounce on Mon/Tues.
I don’t have any clue which way this is going to go right now. If I go short Tues for Wed and the markets go up I will take a hit. If I wait until Wed morning and they do raise rates and markets start dropping the puts will cost more. Trying to figure out which scenario has less risk and more profit potential. I know totally confusing but that’s where I’m at.
Good morning Ed – It has been a very busy time at work and school activities with our youngest daughter who is a Senior this year. Trying to catch up and get into position on the market side. This is also a full time job it seems, but well worth the efforts.
I am concentrating on the 2nd Hangman and what options would be good to complement UVXY, FAZ or other Inverse ETFs. The options can be a month out to lower the risk, but I believe we have all come to the conclusion that a significant drop is within the next few weeks so let me know some good Put options maybe with SDS, SPY or UVXY you may be interested in. Not familiar with QID or DXD but anything that would profit during a 100 pt+ drop on the S&P. I am praying for personal revelation as to what God may be leading me to do so I want to bring Him a variety to help guide me. When we pray for wisdom He often sends us Godly council from others to help as well.
You seem to have favor with Godly wisdom Ed. I can see an anointing on you for this, so keep pressing inward and onward.
Many Blessings!
Charles,
Wow thanks. I’m praying for wisdom that’s for sure. I’m still learning all the ins and outs of this. I have always loved math and science so that part comes easy to me. I think the hardest part so far is taking the emotional side out it has to be cut and dry,
UVXY options are tricky. Even if the markets are dropping like last week the Vix was down 4% so puts lost money. About a month ago I had options on UVXY and they dropped 82% in a few hours . Ouch. Last week I had puts on UVXY on Tues I think and they went up 425%. So for Wed I’m waiting until after the meeting before I get into those Puts or Calls depends how the markets react.
Ed – I see that UVXY reacts well when the market is in a free fall. The small drops, under 100 pts on the DOW can go either way because the drop is not necessarily a panic sell.
The hangman will be panic selling and fear inducing so UVXY should be limited to the big events otherwise the erosion begins to set in…. My opinion is all.
Ed h, I feel led by the spirit to share something with you. Back in March, I had a dream I was in (holy spirit) high school. Four of us were sitting at our desks doing a math (prophetic) assignment. I did not know the 2 others but someone by the name of Ed was there. I really believe that was you. The Lord must have wonderful plans for you. By the way, you were the 1st one done with the assignment and you handed it in to the teacher.:)
Faith,
Seriously !!!! I just got the goose bumps reading your comment. Woah!!!
How cool is that. Well that would be an honor if that Ed was me. I found Z3 in March of this year because of TruNews. I have always been interested in investing but was never in the markets . Even though I was not in the markets I used to watch morning Joe and Jim Kramer and study how the different markets acted . I know “Nerd Allert” but I always thought it was fascinating. Thanks so much for sharing that praise to God for that.
You’re very welcome. And you came to z3 in March?? Wow, right at the time of my dream. The Lord’s timing is always perfect! It’s so exciting to see how the Lord is using z3.
Yes March!!! How cool is that. I’m giving you a virtual bear hug right now. You truly just made my day.
BTW I was usually the first one done at school. I went for mechanical engineering but decided on another path. When I decided to become a general contractor I finished my test in 1/2 hour when it’s a 2 hour test. I literally sat there for about another 1/2 hour before handing it in.
I know I have been posting a lot but I’m just trying to help others as they start investing. It’s not a competition to me , I want all of Z3 to reap the blessings from stepping out in faith and going for it. It can be very overwhelming and also very discouraging when it’s not going well.
God does not care what we start with , it’s what we do with what he has given us. Someone who turns $1000 into $2000 is the same as someone who turns $10000 into $20000. The point is we learn to hear and wait on him to help us. That help is available here by many people with all types of gifts.
God bless us all as we move forward into this fall season of market uncertainty and election chaos.
Ed, please don’t apologize for posting so much. Your comments are always helpful. Since you are humble enough and gifted to verbalize so well what you are/have learned. We who are learning beside you are able to glean. Sometimes the talk is quick by the more learned and harder to follow. Kind of like when I took calculus. The professor couldn’t explain as well as the TA. You are gifted to be able to help us understand. Then we go back to the higher level comments and can learn better from them.
Cassiopeia,
Thanks!! I try to keep it simple. Investing is not hard , but can be challenging for sure. Experienced investors use tools like trend lines TL and support levels SL and resistance levels RL and moving averages MA to help them make a trade based more on technicals TA than on emotions.
There are many professionals in the past that have come up with their own method and now investors use them as tools. Elliot wave EW theory, the Bollinger bands BB, the moving average Convergence divergence MACD and many others.
It’s a lot deeper than ” I like Starbucks coffee, so I’m going to buy their stock”
You see how their sales are. How many stores are opening, compared to closing. How does their stock chart look, did they meet earnings. Is the stock price currently trending higher or lower? And then you make a decision.
Ed – That is confirmation from Faith my friend!! Believe God for His anointing on you and press in to see where He takes you. It is not about the market as much as Him inviting you to intimate levels of his blessing. Awesome!!
Charles,
This is going to sound lame but I got teary eyed when I read her comment. I am totally blown away by it. I was at Walmart at the time buying cat litter . My phone beeped so I opened it and read her comment. I’m standing in the pet area getting all emotional. Wow how awesome is that , grown man tearing up in the pet section. Thank you Jesus for times like that it really blessed me today.
Ed – I totally understand and I have been there. I felt the same way when you told me several months ago that I had the gift of Wisdom. Do you remember that? The emotion is undeniable because we already know in our spirit that we are called, so when God uses others to confirm it in our hearts it releases our spirit to another level of intimacy with our heavenly Father. Nothing on earth even comes close to times like these….
Charles,
Yes I remember. I meant it too. You’re right it was pretty awesome. Wow what a blessing. Now I pray I live up to it and am found to be faithful in all I do.
Ed – I’m with you brother….. Your not alone here.
ED – Everything you have shared makes good sense – many thanks – in fact – I think a lot of members over at End Times Investing (FaceBook) would welcome your thoughts and insights
– all best: https://www.facebook.com/groups/133906643612966
John,
Thanks for the complement. I’m totally open for sharing what I’m trading and why. I would love to learn from some real traders that really know how to manage their risk but still be fully invested.
Just watched USA watchdog with Micheal Pento as the guest. Woah! He pretty much says this last week is just a warm up for this Sept 21st.
Cheers Ed – our group has a professional on-board – who shares a free newsletter – why not apply to the group – End Times Investing at Facebook – Chris McDermano is one of the moderators – cheers
– and thanks for the insight about getting out of trades – if I had taken that advice on that BREXIT day – would be far better off – the overnight hit me substantially – all best
BAC share price dropped a couple of dollars at Brexit, so we might see a similar drop at the second hangman. Nothing as sensational as what is coming later at the third hangman, but if we get the timing right and another $2 drop in price, the profits would be very big, potentially even 100 fold.
James,
100 fold would be awesome. I’m still praying about this Wed and what to do. I don’t want to be in and I don’t want to be out. I know that sounds confusing but if I’m wrong it will be drastic and if I wait and something actually happens it will be drastic as well. I would like to trade it both ways but have not figured the best strategy for that.
I watched USA watchdog and Michael Pento was the guest. He basically said once the bonds and yields start going watch out . He also said last Friday’s drop was because of what Draghi said on Thursday. He said Fri was just a warm up of things to come. He also said that Wed is a big day for the Fed. If they don’t raise rates they will basically be admitting they have been lying about an economic recovery. If they do raise rates the markets could react very badly because many believe they won’t raise them.
Ed – It may be a good good strategy to use options as a hedge incase you end up on the wrong side of the trade. They are cheap and maybe good insurance. Just a thought I was considering for myself but still learning the options scenario…. John Smith may also have some thoughts and more details to consider as well.
Charles – I would say Tech and Banking stocks may get hit very hard. For those, I’d suggest doing some research and finding the ones with the highest P/E ratios (forward looking) and have charts that are currently at peaks. I just checked a few and for Techs, I’d look at Googl, Yhoo, Amzn, and FB have all hit recent highs with steep slopes into their recent tops. For banks, I’d look at BAC, JPM, and C in that order. Wells Fargo has already dumped. I was trading some stock options, but I transferred my money back into my 2 futures trading accounts to focus on SnP options on index futures, since they’re more geared than stock options, and I’m able to look at risk/reward profiles better. I haven’t traded stock futures options yet, and those may be even more geared than ES, but at this point in the process, I think its better to stick with what you know as we’re real close to Hangman #2 now. If I were trading stock options, I’d diversify with at least 4-5.
John – Thank you for your thoughts on this. I am use to FAZ and UVXY and Ed and I may do some SDS options as we did before. if he is willing….
James, very interesting you mention “potentially even 100 fold”.
Just before God led me here he told me I’d buried my talents. I had invested a legacy in PM’s at the top of the market and “buried” it, using the rest to keep my family afloat. He said if I gave him 10% of what’s left – not a massive amount of money – he would multiply it 100 fold.
So I sold some at a loss and bought a core holding in FAZ and have been in and out of UVXY and other ETF’s since.
In spite of trying and being relatively bright I just can’t get my head around trading derivatives like others here and my platform, the UK leader, doesn’t do them other than CFD’s (ditto!). I’ve also tried to switch a frozen pension into a self administered scheme to add to my trading firepower but the delays mean it probably won’t happen in time.
I have to conclude that since I’m unable to add to/ finesse/ leverage my trading like others, as with Gideon God will move in spite of/ because of restricted odds, to show who did it.
This may help others who watch what’s going on here and also feel ill equipped or otherwise out of their depth. God speaks to, and works differently through, each of us for ours and others’ blessing and his glory.
Thanks for sharing Nick.
Nick, FYI I have an account with a US stock and options broker and wire funds over when needed. Better than UK CFDs for options IMO. You can fill out certain forms so there is no withholding tax (double) on withdrawal. Need to find what’s best for you obviously. Options are high risk and can produce large gains and losses. There is some risk with it being overseas also with events soon to unfold in US.
Thanks Fred, really helpful. Will probably be pragmatic for now and stick to what I know unless I have time and the grace to get fully up to speed on options between 2nd and 3rd hangmen. Financial spread betting looks an interesting alternative, esp. since it’s tax free – if equally complicated. It sounds completely wrong though!
(And a whole other ethical/ theological conversation we don’t need to start!)
Thanks for sharing these great insights Fred. A rate hike this month would surely take a lot of people by surprise and cause a stock sell off, so we’ll see if this is the month for it.
James,
Thanks for the heads up! Frankly, I’d taken a back seat to clear my head. Although still invested in the market in the buy and hold mode, I was no longer even looking at my brokerage account, because I didn’t want to see the losses…
But I’m back, and my plan is to ride this out with my ship mates! Thank you so much for putting this all together.
Diana,
Im the same way, i havent looked at my accounts either:) I hope everyones losses turns
to gains soon. May the Lord bless you abundantly very soon.
You are not alone Diana. God is working in us, through us, stretching us out of our comfort zone and preparing us for what is to come. This is cross country running over rocky terrain, dirt and mud flying, unexpected potholes, rain peltering on our faces, strong wind hindering our progress…..an endurance race, definitely not a sprint race.
See you at the finish line!
Dear Z3 (update for encouragement)
I believe I had a dream on where we are on the timeline. Recall in the Poroshenko UN speech dream, I was scheduled to eat a meal after the speech, but in the dream I wasn’t given a specific time.
New dream 9/26
I was looking at streaming quotes. FAZ was at 41.50 and climbing. It hit our target (46.56) briefly and started declining. I wanted to sell on the next wave up but FAZ kept declining.
Next scene I walk to a room to meet my wife. She is sitting and eating a meal. I see a T.V (prophetic) in the room. I’m about to join her and tasted some of her meal. We are about to watch a game at 8am that morning. I step out to bring more food and she says she wants a ham sandwich and bottled water. The current time is around 6-6:30am. So we are getting very close to the game.
interpretation
1. We shouldn’t be hesitant in selling FAZ when our target is reached.
2. The meal and game is at 8 am that morning. So we can come up with a few dates.
3. If Sept 26 is 6am then Sept 28 is 8am. The other possibility is 8 days including Sept 26 and that gives October 5. And finally if we use the next day count it gives us October 6. My strong leaning is Sept 28, but we need to be aware of other possibilities.
3. Ham/water all bearish
Shalom
Thanks Phanuel
Thank the Lord!
Thanks Phanuel for the update. Really appreciate your generosity in sharing what the Lord has reveal to you.
Good Day Phanuel-
I think our, “turtle” has been training/hanging out with snails and sloths….. 🙂
We definitely won’t be naming him, “Bolt”. 😉
Have a BLESSED day brother!!
Tom P,
We should name the turtle Flash. Flash was the dmv clerk in the movie Zootopia, but we all know how fast he drove at the end!!!
Just watched that movie again with the kids Friday night.
“What do you call a three humped camel?”
Our “turtle is slow…..but we know he’ll be right on time!
Blessings!
Tom, I had to laugh at that line. Indeed ‘Our Turtle’ is the slowest. Stops, looks around, takes a few steps in the other direction, looks around again, turns again, slow….teasingly slow. But, we know he’s coming.
Thanks Phanuel for the update. Much appreciated. God Bless !
Phanuel,
Many thanks for the heads up.
Drop oil …… drop oil !!
MH.
I am still watching oil ☺. The meeting in Algier ends on the 28th! I have no idea how the oil price will drop so much so fast but I am ready to be awed by the Lord!!!! Blessings Phanuel.
Hi Chloe
Do you know what’s the hour the meeting end? ( or when the announcement will be issued? ) Do you have the link?
I didnt know but i found it! The news conferenece is from 1pm to 1:30pm on the 28th Algerian time. Go to below link and click on “agenda” to download timetable.
https://www.ief.org/events/ief15-ministerial
It will be 830am USA our time when we find out. If the news is negative the pre market futures should take a beating to the opening bell.
Chloe, Oil inventories come out this morning (9/28) in the U.S. IF inventories are high prices will drop. SNS
Yes Yes Yes Chloe …..the Lord is awesome, Amen !
Just to clarify: i have no prophetic insight about the 28th (i only saw oil falling on a computer screen on sept 5, no date, no prices). I just mentioned Algier meeting because the date coincides with one of the dates in Phanuel’s post! Having said that, depending on the results of the meeting, oil can go either way! But i am hoping it goes down! Blessings MH.
Bless you sister !
Thank you sweet Chloe for keeping a watch on oil.
Yes are going to ‘be awed by the Lord’ in this new time in many ways!
‘we are’ …
Thank you Phanuel!
Thank you Phanuel for the sharing the encouraging dream!
Today I am sensing “a calm before the storm” and “all will be well for us.”
I am also am leaning toward Sept 28th. We shall see.
Z3: Its looking good this am, since the markets are backing down away from the top, but don’t count out one final blast back up to spear the late shorts. Nikkei down 190, ES down 6, NQ down 20, Dow down 42, & NZ50 down.
I think we have a good shot at a mini-waterfall next week similar in scope to the Aug. mini-crash of 2015. Similar to that event, it could all be over in just 5 short days next week to finish up just before Rosh Hashanah, although it may extend to 10/3 to 5. There shouldn’t be any mud on the tires after this one!! My targets as per earlier chart are ES 1975 (Brexit low) to potentially the lower bear wedge rail (ha – it appears to be precisely 1929), so maybe we hit 1929 on the last calendar Jewish calendar trading day of the year. That would be a hoot!
Where we’re at in Elliott Wave. We have a iv which should take us down to 2150, then a v, which should take us up to 2167 (could go a little higher). That finishes up the b wave. This b wave up to 2167 just happens to bring us to the 50 DMA (Day Moving Average).They are anticipating a shakefest, trying to shake the bears out of their positions. Then comes the c wave, the big drop down into the 2010 region (hangman). c waves are the big moves in EW. They are looking for the b wave to possibly take 3,4 days to play out. But with Andy P’s turn date of the 23rd, I’m looking for the b wave to finish Friday and the c wave to start it’s drop Friday, but more likely over the weekend into Monday. It’s close. The hangman cometh.
Thanks for sharing this great analysis Mike.
Alert,alert. We had a record setting flat month of August and part of Sept.We had an unusual FED day of a docile nature considering the build up to it. They are lulling traders to sleep with their tight range movements and eradicating the fear factor with the green of yesterday and overnight today. Be on your toes. Brexit took place at the change of seasons (spring to summer). Not only does Andy call the 23rd as a turn date, he calls it the Brexit seasonal anniversary. (summer to fall), the equinox. He called Sept 9th one of 4 golden nuggets for the year, back in January, a 50plus move in a day. How’s that for prophetic gifting? Nine months out, to the day. It’s actually cycle analysis. History repeats. What has been will be. We have dreams. We have a turn date. We may wake up to Big Red tomorrow morning, and if not, then soon. He prefaces Sept’s analysis with “we are entering the danger zone (sept. and oct.).
Would personally love to see a comprehensive and collaborative Z3 overview incorporating and explaining and weighing the many insights and dreams and expert financial opinions and market advice.. I’m praying about and seeking knowledge/understanding about the urgency of the complex cliff/financial bear season we seem to be entering and what the Lord would have me do! I’m sure I’m not the only one who has a bit of a tough time putting all these puzzle pieces and details and terms together. There are certainly expert Spirit led minds in this community and I’m wondering if there’s a common Z3 agreement as to the picture and details of what overall market movements we will see and when, the hangman process, how and when to buy or sell FAZ/UVXY, gold or silver, etc. I know this is all already being talked about by the panel of knowledgeable financial minds here, just would love to see a big picture brought together!
Trying to hear what the Lord would have for me while also doing my best to comb this site to stay knowledgeable and prepared to take advantage of opportunity! Thank you and God bless you all for being a part of this community, this site is a city on a hill!
Dear Z3
Some new numbers
FAZ 23.59 (prior to third hangman)
23.65
Oil
43.05
42.88
41.44
40.49 ( Chloe 40.54 was an error)
S&P
2080.88 ( also recall below 2089 is bearish)
God bless
Shalom
Phanuel
Thanks man. FAZ prior to third hangman was the most mystery one. Now all set to go. Least i can say is may you and family be blessed 1000 times as in Deut 1:11 and Isaiah 60:22.
Amen and Thank you Joe. I asked the Lord for more confirmation to “23.31” I already shared.
P, good to see you on job. 2127 less 7% is 1980 give or take a tick. Also, technically, EWI have had 1950-2000 in their 2 retracement for months. That would project a fibo top 2300-2400. Shalom. Taj
Hello TAJ my brother! As long as we keep an eye on FAZ @46.56
Shalom
P, brain not working this am, i misread your target of 2080, that’s much different than 1980-(88.) Will give this some prayer time. Shalom
Taj
I’m expecting us to go beyond 2080. Might get a correction there though.
Shalom
Thanks Phanuel!
Just wondering do you believe these new oil numbers mean that the other ones we haven’t hit yet such as 39.18 and below are not to be looked for and just watch for the new ones? I guess I was possibly watching for oil to hit 39.18 or near there to enter long oil.
Hello MM
I believe these new numbers are reenforcing the old ones. This also happened with USD/JPY( with new numbers) when the lower numbers of 102.68 and 100.916 did not hit until the second fulfillment. The Lord is saying we are close to seeing these numbers. The Low of oil the first time around was 39.19 right above 39.18.
Shalom
Wow awesome thanks!!!!!
Yes MM our God is awesome and gracious ?
MM
I was checking technical stuff and saw the first critical support for Oil is 42.89… Right above the 42.88 number the Lord gave. We should test that on the next wave down. Oil is currently in a corrective wave up and took the stock market with it.
http://www.barchart.com/cheatsheet.php?sym=CLV16
Shalom
Ph
Thx for this link! Did u find that critical support on this link?…I didn’t find it there but yes will be watching all these numbers pretty exciting to see the correlation of USD/JPY to brexit and oil to this hangman.
Hi MM,
The numbers changed at the end of the trading day 🙂
Thanks! Just checked oil….42.89;)
ok changed 40.54 to 4o.49 in my little book. Thanks Phanuel.
Phanuel,
Amazing numbers, may our Father bless you richly for sharing them freely with us all on Z3!
I had a flash dream around a week and half ago. I was in a hallway (possibly school) and saw a coat hook and above that was the number 2424. No colour that I can remember but the number really stood out to me.
So not sure if is related to FAZ (prior to 3rd hangman) or the S&P (prior to 3rd hangman) or neither.
Hi Christine B
Amen and thank you. I love those numbers!! The 24 elders or the 12 tribes of Israel and 12 apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Shalom
Christine, I just had a thought 2424 could be a top in the S&P after the two month bull run. Coat hook is where you hang stuff, as in hangman. Number 2424 above it is where S&P will run up to. I’m beginning to interpret some market dreams now. Where can I get that Jim Reeve’s book? thanks
Try this-
https://z3news.com/w/wp-content/books/handbook_of_prophetic_trading.pdf
Thanks for the link.
Sheffield, I like your interpretation. Time will tell.
I printed out Jim’s ‘The Handbook of Prophetic Trading’ and use it as a reference – 300 pages (or 150 two-sided pages). Excellent resource.
Phanuel,
DB back in the news. Got slapped with a $14 Billion fine for mortgage fraud in the last crisis. Might have to keep an eye on them as well as BAC in the next hangman.
Yes Ed H
The stock was down about 7 percent after hours. Crisis mode at DB. That fine is the size of their entire market cap. That bank is done!
Shalom
I thought DB might be JR’s barking doberman (German dog) but we might be past that phase of the revelatory stream now?
Have been looking for inverse euro banking etf’s but the only one I found is run by DB (alarm bells). Still have core FAZ holding. Surprised markets not down more – seems they expect the fine to be nowhere near £14bn, just like Goldmans and the others were negotiated down.
Nick
FAZ should do very well today.
Shalom
PS belated happy birthday Phanuel. I won’t lie, the card isn’t in the post, but I did think of you!
Thank you Brother Nick
Shalom 🙂
I always wondered why David Wilkerson said Europe would blame US for its economic collapse even though it was EU’s fault. Until now I thought maybe it was a rate hike but maybe this is it. US DOJ bringing down DB…. Just a personal speculation………
Hi Phanuel/Chloe,
I apologize because this has probably already been answered but I can’t find the prior comments in regards to the Oil. What are these numbers representative of? Is 40.49 the coming low and when folks should go long on Oil or when the hangman starts or when the hangmen ends or something else? Today’s low was $42.74…..
Oil
43.05
42.88
41.44
40.49 ( Chloe 40.54 was an error)
Hi CBIZ
This is the second cycle for some these numbers. The new numbers reenforce the old ones. I believe the lower numbers will be fulfilled soon i.e. 39.18 and 36.6. Shalom
Since I saw oil gapping from $42-43 down to $37-38, I expect oil to drop to this level ($42-$43) before the hangman. It’s possible Phanuels numbers down to $40.5x could get hit prior to that, and then retrace to $42-$43, before the hangman. I don’t have any revelation on the path between now and $42. SNS
Why do you believe that happens prior to the hangman?
James, oil gapping down that much is unusual so I am assuming it’s coincident with the hangman. If we aren’t at $42-43, then we aren’t there yet. It went up to $46 and is dropping, so it might not be long. SNS
Phanuel, any ideal where the markets would have to be for Faz to be at that level?
Hi Cris H,
It all depends on how poorly the banks perform. My current range is 2020-2080.
Shalom
This morning had a dream that FAZ went up 10 per share in one day. LORD JESUS bless you all. Thats pretty much all I remember.