“The remnant’s strength is inadequate to face the onslot of evil and devastation quickly approaching. She must arm herself in My Word, in My strength. She does not understand what is coming, how powerful the pull of evil. Many will fall away, faith will grow weak, the task will be too great if they battle in their own strength.”
“Barack Hussein Obama has made a deal with the devil that will soon surface as a liberal agenda to silence voices of opposition. Laws forthcoming that harbor hatred for My flock, forcing compliance and mandatory adherence to man-made laws. Americans are unprepared to stand. Stop expecting to be translated out of tribulation. My people must prepare for battle. I did not escape persecution, but bowed to the will of My Father, and you must do the same.”
“Encourage one another in The Word. Be Light bearers in the dark days ahead.”
“Time is short. Soon voices will be silenced. Great persecution is coming to My true followers, My true church – not a building, but a body. Speak now while time remains.”
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I just wish to share an encouraging message in the context of this post. The thoughts are not my own, but I agree with them. I found them on the Praying Medic website.
I’ll begin with a statement from this article, “My people must prepare for battle.”
People who march off to battle do hope to live another day, but they are also cognizant of the fact that they may not. They know they face death or capture as a very real possibility, and still they march into battle.
Here is the encouragement: What happens to you in this battle, doesn’t change who you are nor does it mean you are less favored than your comrade. You are still a ranking soldier in the sovereign army of the King and should carry yourself accordingly.
Wear your badges and stars with pride fellow soldiers. Your commander will not leave you dead on the battlefield nor will he let you languish in prison for eternity. Know this and be greatly encouraged!
Please read Dr. Brian j.Baileys book “God’s Hidden Ones”. http://www.zcpublishers.com/ he saw since the 60’s the coming fall and rise of america. He saw also the rise of islam and the coming great difficulties for the church as well as the great glory and revival starting in america. This book will prepare the church on how to be hidden in the days of judgement. Also “The Glory” which tells of how to prepare for the visi le glory of God coming to the church.
I had the privilege of hearing Bro. Bailey preach once. He was a true prophet and taught on the deeper truths in scripture. We’re blessed that the work/bible school he established in Waverly, NY survives him. I see also that many of his teachings are accessible as online pod-casts.Thank you for referencing his material. He was a dear and humble saint.
I’ll tell you a related story. Back when I was working, I attended an ‘out-of-state training class and ended up with a room-mate. She was back-slidden. Over the 3-week course of class, we shared and the Lord moved graciously restoring her faith. Near the end of the class, she asked me what I would most like to be doing (besides my current job) and I said I wanted to go to bible school. She asked “Where?” I said, “Oh, I’m sure you’ve never heard of it”, but she was insistent. I told here “It’s in Waverly, NY”, to which she replied “I was born in Waverly, NY!!!”. On the flight home, I got to thinking about that and realized the students at Bro. Bailey’s bible school were, no doubt, praying for the townspeople of Waverly, NY. Though she had left home years earlier, and strayed from the Lord, He had not left her. Our God is faithful, and the prayers of the righteous avail much.
Jerry, I would appreciate your direct response to my earlier proposition: If complete trust in God for our protection means not doing anything in our own physical capacity, including, but not limited to, the use of weapons in self-defense, then does that mean that complete trust in God for our healing means not doing anything in our own physical capacity, including, but not limited to, taking medication?
Joshua, I get all my answers from the Spirit of the Lord. So, instead of either debating with you or arguing as to who is right, why don’t you take your question to Him. I am not your God and you do not answer to me. I will not get into a verbal exchange as to who is right and who is wrong. All I’ve shared on this thread was in accordance to what I was hearing from the Spirit. Those who have ears will hear and those who do not have ears to hear will not hear. This is my last response to you are any of the others who, like you, wish to prove they are right and I am wrong. Think what you will. That is YOUR choice. I will no longer engage myself in crossing swords.
Jerry, as I mentioned previously, my intent is not to be contentious but to simply caution against a “one size fits all” stance that basically purports that your position is superior to everyone else’s, and to resolve that those who come to a different conclusion than yours fail to hear, or be led by, the Spirit. You are free to choose and live as you see fit, but my admonishment to you is to speak the truth in love and thereby provide other’s with a different perspective the greatest opportunity to receive your words. I pray I’ve done the same.
As Christians, we are placed in various parts of the Body as it pleases Him. God is strategically positioning all of us in order to carry our His plans in these last days. And yes, we know the battle is in the spiritual realm, and the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. But basically the events we see happening on the earth – first happen in the heavens, then are manifested in the physical. As such, some of us will be positioned on the front line of battle – and our primary function will be that of prayer and supplication. Others may also be placed on the front line – but their position in the battle may be the physical manifestation of defending other members of the Body – and yes, they may be using guns to do it! Jesus said, “Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down is life for his friend.” We all know God uses people to help other people. We cannot limit God, nor tell Him how to do things, much less tell others that the “position” they are taking in this battle is wrong. Love you all, and am so thankful for this site!
Ryan … and other townsfolk … what you have to understand about sites like this is, they attract 1. Normal good Christians. 2. The curious. 3. Well meaning religious nuts. 4. Government paid “Clergy Response Team” trolls. # 4 is of most concern. They have all day, ( it’s their job, ) to comment and then use another computer to comment under a different name … and so on … to get as many sheeple as they can to wet on themselves and give up before the fight even begins. Thousands of traitorous pastors have already been recruited by DHS and FEMA to lure you into FEMA camps and get you to “disarm and comply,” by lying to you “that it’s Gods will !!!!!” See : Thecommonsenseshow.com for more on this. When “the enemy” comes … the result will be the same, ( unless it’s ISIS, ) the man will be killed or taken to a camp. The kids will be stolen. The wife raped, and all your stuff taken. If ISIS, everything’s the same except when they’re done you’ll all be beheaded. Now if any supposed man needs to be told it’s ok with God to defend yourself … there’s nothing anyone can do for you. In fact, please DO give up so pansys like you will keep them busy so normal Christians can survive and rebuild a non feminized man society. God said, “thou shalt not MURDER.” He didn’t say, “don’t defend your family.” There are many places in the bible here Christians are told to defend themselves. So don’t listen to any bossy women, ( who are not humble and submissive as commanded to be, ) or any nut job girly men that will allow evil men to kill their families because they’re such cowardly disgraces !!!! Now it’s time for Josey Wales to ride out of town … and leave the townsfolk to do what they do best. Look for reasons to give up. Good riddens …….
I am worried of some trying to come to Christ on here. You have a genuine question and some self appointed prophet slams the door in your face. Some us have led friends an family to Christ. I do not think i would send them to Jerry. Too harsh and feels self righteous -and hes got ALL the answers. Brother you drive away people with that kind of attitude. Out of the 1000s of words on this post (Alis not yours) your words fill the 90% the page.Less is more bro- you aint Gods gift to Christianty. He has 7000 who have not bowed to Baal and you may not know em.
Jerry dude you way over do it. A word of advice: “less is more” you are really unkind not gentle— using Christ words to bolster your position. A a word of advice to all- never receive a self appointed prophet who respects himself or his view and dishonors others. Just because you quote Bible behind your computer does not mean you are a prophet. You say “you are a prophet” so much some of us have good reason to doubt…….
It is amazing, yet equally sad, the depths that brothers and sisters in Christ will go to in encouraging other believers in Christ not to learn and follow the commandments of God. Doing satan’s bidding, and not even realizing it. I am not answering Kerry as when I stated being a Messianic Jew, he would then understand my theological position and relationship to Torah, and kindly drop it. However, I do not take kindly when someone misuses scripture and attacks another brother based on assumptions, and without even knowing me uses a passage stating I am under a curse. Stop for one second, and possibly imagine the ramifications of even hinting that? Following God’s commandments and being under a curse. That is beyond absurd and is heresy, and the devil is patting himself on the back saying well done mate. Nonetheless, the book of John when the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, Jesus is the living, breathing, walking Torah as he was in the beginning.
Ryan, ummm….the words of Jesus trumps everything. Jerry has given you the words of Jesus and yet you continue to argue. And, why is that? Because you do not understand the heart of the Father. If you hear the words of Jesus and believe, then you believe the words of the Father. Go & spend some time studying the book of John.
Romans 3:31
When Paul went to the Bereans, what did they do? Did they take what Paul said and believe it immediately, or did they look into the Tanakh and verify what Paul said was true? So knowing that Paul’s teaching had to completely agree with the Old Testament, does Paul trump Torah, or does Torah trump Paul? Pull out one verse from the OT saying the Law is not for believers today. You are a Berean, and Paul came to you and said we no longer have to follow the Law, where in the OT as a Berean would you look at to confirm this was true. All you have is the OT, now prove it. If you can’t, consider Proverbs 18:2. Be blessed.
Ryan, you DO realize the book of Proverbs describes a “fool” as one who does not fear God; one who says there is no God, etc? You tell me to be blessed yet you curse me? Seems to me that out of your tap is flowing sour water and not sweet. Here is what you are saying to me — Proverbs 18:2 (NKJV) A fool has no delight in understanding, But in expressing his own heart. — Perhaps you needed to read one verse further so that His word might reprove you. — Proverbs 18:3 (NKJV) When the wicked comes, contempt comes also;
And with dishonor comes reproach. — All you’ve shown is contempt for the words of Jesus, preferring the law of the OT above the new law of the NT. You’ve not answered any of my challenges but keep diverting elsewhere. To answer YOUR challenge, all of the OT represents that root of the great tree revealed in the NT. Yes the foundations of the NT are found in the OT but it is this great tree I wish to point you to. For from the branches of this great tree are the fruit and eating of this fruit, you find eternal life. Eating from the root of the tree will not give you eternal life, only eating from that tree’s fruit. That tree is Jesus for all of the OT speaks of Him in types and shadows and many times, directly. Why do you wish to eat of a type and shadow when that to which they are pointing to has already come and established a NEW and BETTER covenant. Don’t you realize that all that continue to walk in the OT laws will be condemned and die under that law unless they live perfect lives? Jesus was the ONLY ONE able to walk that perfect life. YES, He obeyed all of the law but no one that has lived has ever been able to do what He did. And yet, you keep insisting on obeying the law of the OT above the law of the NT covenant. Ryan, you can do as you choose but I can tell you now, you will be judged under the law because you insist that the law is above the terms of the New Covenant and grace. When Paul spoke to the Bereans, he spoke from the New Covenant perspective and referenced the OT in the light of the new. So the Bereans DID check to see whether what he said WAS in the OT but now, being given the truth as revealed from the new covenant perspective, they’ve found that all Paul preached was truth. Paul’s preaching DID completely agree with the OT but from the light of the promises of God being fulfilled in His Son Jesus Christ. You keep trying to JUSTIFY yourself and your misguided choices. This is because, although you CLAIM to be a Messianic Jew, you are not. Just because you name the name of Yeshua does not make you His true disciple. For a true disciple of Christ will recognize the truth because that truth comes from the Father. If you truly knew the Father, you would know that the words of Jesus and those words I’ve been speaking to you came from Him. Laurie was correct in her assessment, you really do not understand the heart of the Father. This is because your heart is darkened and insists on its own way. REPENT! And turn away from all you know. Paul says this is what we all must do. — Philippians 3:7-15 (NKJV)
7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. — Instead of pressing towards the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus, you have chosen to go back, seeking justification for your unbelief while claiming to have faith but your faith is misplaced for your still trust in your own judgment and abide, not by the wisdom from above but earthly wisdom. Turn away from this mindset and find that true freedom in the New Covenant sealed in the Blood of Christ.
Ryan, you said, “Jerry, long story short, I’m a Messianic Jew.” I was wondering. How does this “leverage” your arguments? If I told you that I’ve talked with Jesus face to face, shook His hand and He gave me a special anointing. How would what I just say convince you of anything? Only the truth changes our minds and our hearts through the grace of God that is poured only to those who believe and walk in obedience to His Spirit. Trying to use your “Messianic Jew” to add to your status adds nothing at all. For God is not respecter of persons and He has made me that same as He. The truth applied in the hearts of mankind is the same truth regardless of previous heritages. God’s love for me is not superseded by His love for you, nor is the the other way around. — Now, you never responded to those verses I gave you out of Galatians 3:10-12. You summarily dismissed the point I was giving by the overall summarization of the whole book. That was not an answer. I’ve been friends with Jewish Rabbis who would have not avoided this direct response but you chose to not answer my question and point. Avoiding it does not make it go away. — You said, “I am very confident and secure knowing I am not under a curse for being Torah observant, as Jesus was.” — Jesus was under the law as He walked and because He never sinned, His death on the cross erased that record of accusations and guilt against us, thus giving us new life and because He died, He sealed that New Covenant with His blood. You are not Jesus and your task was not to sacrifice your life that by your blood all would be redeemed from the curse of the law. Now, you have a new choice, to either walk fully under the law or to walk fully in the grace of God. It cannot be both. The law’s fulfillment was in Jesus and for those who are born again of the Spirit of God, He wrote His law upon the fleshly tablets of our heart. To go back to the law and say, I choose to obey this law instead of what Jesus says, is to crucify again the Son of God. Is this what you truly want to do, follow what YOU deem is right or follow what Jesus deems as just and right? You either lay down your life and live according to His dictates or you follow your own path. The foolish Galatians tried as you are, leaving the principles of grace to follow after the law once again. What say you?
Revelation 11:5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. The two witnesses sure don’t seem like pacifists to me, and when their ministry is up, then they die. Completely agree with Linda Clay, do what you feel lead to. As for me defending home and property, it is a commandment in the bible (Exodus 22:2-3).
Ryan, one short reply. — Galatians 3:10-12 (NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” — If you choose to live BY the law, then you reject the grace of God as you will be bound to LIVE by all the law. In any way we seek to justify ourselves, even with what was written to those who were UNDER the law, those who choose this will perish UNDER the law. These are not my words. These are New Testament words. Search the New Testament scriptures, does any part agree with that statement in Exodus 22:2-3?
Ryan, you forgot to mention that God raises those same two witnesses in the sight of all. That fire that proceeds out of their mouths to consume their enemies was not of their will but the will of Him who sent them. God says in His word that it is not in man that walks to direct his own way. Yet, many still do this. They have forgotten their beginnings in how God has shown them the nature of their sin and yet, like a dog returning to his vomit, they go back to trusting in themselves instead of the Spirit of God.
Jerry, long story short, I’m a Messianic Jew. I reject your interpretation of those passages in Galatians. The whole thesis of Galatians is trying to obtain salvatian by works, and adding onto works to merit salvatian. I am very confident and secure knowing I am not under a curse for being Torah observant, as Jesus was. Be blessed, a time is surely coming where we will care less about our theological differences, and focus more on advancing his kingdom and doing our own part.
Ryan, you may reject all that I say regardless if your are a Messianic Jew or not. Then you also know that if you chose to walk in one part of the law, you are bound to obey all the law. As you know, we are under a New Covenant, and in this new covenant, love is the primary commandment. If your enemy strikes you on the one cheek, offer to him the other also. — Matthew 5:39 (NKJV) “But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. —
— Matthew 5:43-45 (NKJV)
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 “that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. — Now, how do these verses compare to what you said, “As for me defending home and property, it is a commandment in the bible (Exodus 22:2-3). Are they compatible? From my view, they are not. If your enemy comes to your home and your property, what do you suppose Jesus would want you to believe, what Exodus 22:2-3 says (under the old covenant) or what He says in Matthew 5:43-45 (under the new covenant)?
I also have to agree with Jerry. All those of you arguing in favor of taking up arms to save yourself and your family- let’s ask this question: when you fight with carnal weapons, whose strength is it & who gets the glory for it? Does God get all the glory? Those of you who argue that all the fighting the Israelites did in the Old Testament justifies war today – are you considering that it was not God’s will it happen then or now? When God appeared on Mt Sinai He wanted to be their Father then – He wanted to be everything they ever needed, BUT THEY WERE AFRAID & REJECTED HIM. They did not want to talk to him face to face, they did not accept Him as their King or as their provider or as their physician, therefore, God had no choice but to give them deliverance through carnal means. Jesus came to the earth to provide a better covenant to fulfil what God had in mind for the children of Israel rejected- not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit saith the Lord.
I have to say I have not felt comfortable with Josey’s pleas to take up arms either- and, just for the record – I am a former Marine, so I have to deal with the temptation to think military force is the answer. It is not – trusting is Jesus is the only answer for what we will be facing. If you try to save your life, you will lose it, but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. I believe the words of Jesus above all else.
Great reply Laurie and thank you for sharing your perspective. There is a great darkness that has come into the world and it is distorting the truth in a myriad of ways. Our dependency on the Spirit of the Lord is very critical if we want to survive this onslaught of the deceptions and delusion that is covering the earth. God said that HE will send them strong delusion so that they will believe a lie. This is because they have already chosen a lie as their companion, their friend and their teaching & guide. If we do not accept the leading, guidance and teaching of the Holy Spirit, another spirit will come to substitute God’s Spirit. Sadly, many have already made their choice and God is still calling to them and reaching out to them through various ones belonging to Him. Keep praying that God will be merciful and open their eyes.
Speaking surrounding children to God, I want to share what I heard happened in North Korea ministry. When North Korea government caught the Christians there, the officials there would ask the parents to either give up their faith or they would kill the children in front of them. The Christians there won’t give up their faith, crying with tear and told their children that you will be alright in a moment, you will be with God the Father, they let their children go and the parents were killed after that…. I was SHOCK after hearing this, I ask myself how could they? But after a moment, I realize that they do the right thing. This is an act of true faith in an ultimate extremely testing time. They remain faithful in an extreme painful persecution. They have a total trust of God and His promises. The children are with God right now as the parents too. The thought and that moment of what the parents have to go through still lingering in my mind and my soul. I know this type of persecution is coming to America and anywhere around the world. I ask myself, how many of us can pass this type of test? No kidding, serious persecutions is coming. It is not bad that I heard about this because it prepares me right now on what should I do, what type of faith I should have. Right now, suffering, persecutions…etc are still words and images to most of us, we thought we are prepared but we really have no idea. After I heard this, I am seriously working hard on learning about faith and love. To stand faithful when such type of persecution come? To forgive the one who persecute you? or to remain loving our Christians brothers and sisters who go against and betray us? All these are not easy task. I am really seriously preparing myself right now, learn to focusing my eyes on Christ only no matter what, learn to allow Jesus to work on my behalf and learn to enter into the rest of the Lord. We have to practice now, otherwise, it will be too late.
Great reply lynx. The time for preparation is now. The parable of the 10 virgins speaks to us as believers. Some will do as you said you will do, while others do not think they need to. The ALL fall asleep. Then, the voice of the Bridegroom wakes them ALL up. Those who prepared were ready. Those who took their need to prepare lightly, were not. Who went into the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? Only those who did not take their “position” lightly and prepared before the time was to arrive and catch them unawares. Sadly, more will be caught unawares and unprepared than those who are preparing their hearts now. — Here is an interesting note the Holy Spirit me about a year ago. — How many saw the Resurrected Christ? As many as 500 at one time. How many heeded the call to “prepare and tarry” in Jerusalem until they be imbued with power from God? Sadly, only 120. Only 24% of those who SAW the resurrected Christ, thus realizing that the prophecies were true and that Jesus IS their Messiah, were interested in OBEYING Him. I wonder, WILL THIS be the same percentage today who will “prepare and tarry”? MANY are called but FEW are chosen. It is up to YOU whether you will be counted among those who chose to OBEY the Spirit of the Lord to “prepare and tarry”. For if you do not, you will not be ready to face what is coming. The prophetic word presented by Ali Winters states clearly that no one in the “remnant” are strong enough. This means we ALL need to “prepare and tarry”. She also stated the Word of the Lord as to what He is calling for His church to do and that is, the church: “MUST arm herself in My Word, in My strength.” This is NOT a suggestion. It is His command. If you fail to heed this command, then you will face the consequences of your unbelief when all that was spoken will begin to happen. Yes, the 5 FOOLISH virgins will NOT be able to enter into the protection of the Lord. Do not be a foolish virgin but a wise one. Prepare and tarry now, while you can because the night is coming when no man will be able to work.
Hi Jerry, Excellent post. I didn’t know there were only 120 people out of 500 chose to follow Christ after they saw the resurrection. It surprised me. This only show that when people determine harden their hearts and close their eyes, no any miracles can save them, They have chosen their destiny. Jerry, you are right, it is the heart we really need to pay attention, for the heart is always where the actual battle field is. The Lord is fighting for our hearts, He won’t take anything less but our whole heart. It is also very important to arm ourselves with THE WORD OF GOD, as you point this out, because the Word of God is the Sword of the Lord. I am not talking metaphor, I am talking about the Word of the God is an ACTUAL WEAPON that can really fight just like carnal weapons. God created the universe when He spoke, there is something very significant about God’s voice and His Word. If God’s Word has such power and can create the entire universe, it wouldn’t surprise me the Word can fight like carnal weapons for us. It really contains powers that we don’t understand yet. The evil and his “alien”(fallen angels) teams with their advance alien technologies and knowledge always want to find out the frequency of the voice of God because they want to have the creation ability just like God. In one of Sid Roth show, Glenda Jackson had a supernatural encounter when her husband was possessed by the demons. She fast for 40 days and an angels came to her and gave her a big sword, told her to lay it on her husband, and all demons come out. Glenda asked the angel what is the sword, the angel replied to her that the sword is the WORD of GOD. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOmgvqDQcA . I also saw another Sid Roth show about a woman, one day the Holy Spirit direct her to memorize certain scriptures, told her it would be great in the near future. Two weeks later, there were a burglar broke into her house and tried to rape her, she immediately proclaim the Word over and over and said if you rape me you rape Jesus while they were struggling, the guy eventually got scare and left. She fought off the dangerous by proclaiming the Word of God and the name of Jesus. Isn’t that something? These cases worth the time to ponder, I look at the Word of God differently after I watch these. I re-think the POWER of the Word. But as for whether we should use carnal weapons to defend ourselves, I remain the position that we have the right to do that, but may be we should be more toward using the Word of God, treat it like a weapon that can protect us, a supernatural gun or sword and shield. I am still learning,
Now, I am pondering about whether we should use carnal weapons to defend ourselves.
Ali Winter starts here post with these words: “The remnant’s strength is inadequate to face the onslot of evil and devastation quickly approaching. She must arm herself in My Word, in My strength. She does not understand what is coming, how powerful the pull of evil. Many will fall away, faith will grow weak, the task will be too great if they battle in their own strength.” — The Lord shows us that the remnant will not have the strength to face what is fast approaching and must arm themselves with God’s Word and God’s Strength. This message also, correctly states, the Body of Christ will not be able to understand what is coming. God, who knows all things, knows that, for the majority of the Body of Christ, they are ill-equipped to face what is coming. That last statement in this first paragraph also says this, “…the task will be too great if they battle in their own strength”. Many in this thread insist on using their own strength, thinking this will be enough. The Spirit of the Lord says it will not be enough. God is calling for those who have ears to hear, to a higher plane of warfare with the use of weapons that is far above earthly carnal weapons. This requires a new mindset which can only be found in having the mind of Christ. He is calling us to “transcend” all aspects of the earthly and to move into that heavenly realm where we are seated with Him in heavenly places. This IS our place and has been the goal of the Father from the beginning of our dedication to Him. It is that place called “REST”. Only those who find this “rest” and live and work in that “rest”, will be able to learn of, to see, to understand the kind of warfare that God is speaking of. In one vision, I was speaking to a group of men outdoors when one man from the far back of the crowd began to push forward with hatred in his eyes and his speech. His purpose was clear…to kill me. Holy Spirit showed me this and also showed me what to do. I just “pointed at him” with my finger and without a word from me, the man dropped dead instantly and all saw this and a great fear fell upon all the men there. I know this will actually happen as I have experienced incredible power from the Holy Spirit in my ministry to others. Yes, we will bear arms but not the kind that men use but the kind that the angels of heaven have used throughout the history of mankind. Two angels destroyed all the cities of the plains (Sodom and Gomorrah and the others cities). One angel killed an entire army of 185,000 (Isaiah 37:36). That’s why the word says that the weapons of OUR warfare are not carnal. They are spiritual and as much as men try not to think of it this way, the Spiritual Realm is far more real than our natural realm and it is far more powerful than any mortal man can imagine. THIS is what God was to equip the saints with but those who are filled with unbelief, cannot see this, therefore cannot believe this. They only believe in what they can see but the eyes of faith see into the Spiritual Realm while the eyes of unbelief are still blinded.
Greetings lynx. I’ve read your reply before and commented earlier too but as I was reading your reply again this morning, I remembered the testimony of Corrie Ten Boom. — Corrie joined her mother as they brought a basket of fresh bread up to a family who had just lost their baby. As her mother headed over to the young mother, Corrie stood frozen on the threshold when she saw that the homemade crib off to the right contained the dead baby. Her sister went over carefully and then touched the baby’s cheek; it took a while, but Corrie at last put one finger on the small curled hand that was so cold. Still shivering from that cold feel, she followed her sister up to their room and crept into bed beside her. She couldn’t even begin to fall asleep until her father came up to arrange the blankets in his special way and then lay his hand for a moment on each head. As soon as he stepped through the door, however, she burst into tears and cried out “I need you! You can’t die! You can’t”. Nollie then explained to their father about visiting Mrs Hoog and touching the dead child. She also reported that Corrie hadn’t eaten anything since that experience. Her father sat down on the edge of the narrow bed and gently began to ask Corrie a question: “When you and I go to Amsterdam–when do I give you your ticket?” She sniffed a few times before responding with “Why, just before we get on the train”. Her father then went on, “Exactly. And our wise Father in Heaven knows when we’re going to need things, too. Don’t run out ahead of Him, Corrie. When the time comes that some of us will have to die, you will look into your heart and find the strength you need–just in time”. — Our heavenly Father knows what and when we will need and will make provision to fulfill that need long before it arises and that fulfillment will come perfectly on time. The wonderful grace of the Lord Jesus Christ will BE there when it is needed, just like that ticket father Ten Boom explained to his daughter. For those who will be martyred, God will meet them even in death and I am assured by the Holy Spirit, they will feel no pain at all but the moment just before that death blow, their spirit will depart their body and be present with the Lord in glory. No bad memories will survive this transformation and transition. The promise of God that He will wipe away all tears means there will be no sorrow in heaven but only joy. Years ago, He gave me a dream, which for years after that I had forgotten until recently, that I and my family will die by guillotine. I saw my wife and my son and his family there and my son was comforting his children. When our turn came, no fear was in me at all. Just a curiosity to see how all this plays out. No pain. Just an instantaneous transformation into the spirit. The end of this flesh is but the beginning of REAL LIFE!
goodness – long thread. however throwing my two bobs worth in i agree with jerry. joseys way is not the right way. be prepared most suredly but be prepared for suffering and martyrdom not rebellion and murder. there are many stories of parents surrendering their children to god – i think this site mentions the story of the parents being forced on one side of the road whilst their children are on the other. the parents are told to renounce christ or else their children are shot. all the parents could do is to say that they would be with jesus soon. josey has a violent spirit
Barack Hussein Obama has made a deal with the devil that will soon surface as a liberal agenda to silence voices of opposition. Laws forthcoming that harbor hatred for My flock, forcing compliance and mandatory adherence to man-made laws.
Recently I discovered that in the American media, the following is not being reported: Obama is blackmailing Netanyahu to stop building more settlements in the “Palestinian areas” of east Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. The blackmail Obama is using is that if Netanyahu doesn’t comply, then Obama will not veto the resolution that France is submitting to the UN for a Palestinian state. Apparently Netanyahu caved in according to the Israel news sources. I do not know if this is a stretch of an interpretation of the first sentence above, but it seems to fit. If Obama doesn’t veto a Palestinian state, that is to me, definitely a deal with the devil, it is definitely a liberal agenda, it forces adherence and compliance to man made laws, and definitely shows hatred towards His flock, because His flock (true Christians) would hate this law if passed. Could His flock also refer to Israel? Not sure. It makes me wonder, if what Prophet Brian Carn said on September 30, that America would suffer a catastrophic event in the next couple of weeks. If Obama doesn’t veto a Palestinian state, could America be getting ready to see the prophesied earthquake where the New Madrid fault line breaks and splits America in half? This would certainly cause devastation, breakdown in services, food shortages, and chaos. Am I stretching this too much? John Kilpatrick said the Lord told him, that if American divides His Land, then He would divide our land. Here is a link to the article with the information about Obama and Netanyahu: http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/obama-is-using-the-threat-of-a-un-resolution-that-would-divide-the-land-of-israel-to-blackmail-netanyahu
Prophet Bob Jones said two angels visited him many years ago telling him of a massive Californian earthquake. Many of the survivors would come to the interior Midwest because of abundant rainfall and crops. This area would be stable in comparison to most of the rest of the world for some time. He also said this country would be invaded but the militia groups would fight and put the invaders eventually down.
Nice one Linda,
Good advice
Phil
Thank you, Phil
What spirit is at work in this world? How are events being shaped in order to convince people that guns are the problem and must be barred? What entity benefits from a population that has been disarmed? What is one of the first steps taken by dictators against the people? Can we defeat Satan with firearms? No of course not. Christ will defeat satan I know that. Can we hold a satanic govt. at bay by being armed? Yes, for quite some time we can – that is why THEY want the guns. The founding fathers understood the tyranny of govt and the unquenchable desire for control that large govt. has. Hence, the reason for the 2nd amendment. If you feel so led, then do not exercise that right. I and my family will exercise our right to be armed and defend ourselves against attack. If one feels that defending oneself and ones family is in violation of the will of God, then they must listen to that. I would advise prayer and meditation on this for each.
Great point and well stated!
More that that…..the TRUTH…… The defining character of a LIBERAL is that YOU must except and believe what they believe. We have a bunch of liberal Christians here who won’t be satisfied till EVERYONE believes the way they do……… It’s great that the gal was able to turn the robber away. Praise God ! But for every gal there’s a thousand cashiers who thwarted a robber JUST by SHOWING authority (and a gun) and saved everyone. Is one a bigger miracle ? Were the results the same ? But those stories don’t matter because they are true and similar to the OT stories (and they don’t count UNLESS you want to quote them for “other” reasons)……. Well Jerry, there’s a good chance you won’t get to experience your glorious decapitation (your dream). Maybe some thug will just decide he wants what you and your wife have and end it there…… Strangers things have happened……… Like Wilkerson dying in a car crash…….
One question for all. I have been skewered because I said to trust in God for your protection and that a gun is not what is part of God’s arsenal of protection. Jesus said that He did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them. This is not an advocacy for the use of guns for our protection. I said that God is our defense but was ridiculed for that statement. I think it is because most who are opposing my statements cannot believe that God is capable enough to protect one’s family from evil men. They posit what ifs that have never occurred in their lives. This is speaking doubts and fears but not faith. Some also say that trust in the Lord is not enough but must be followed up with weaponry. In fact, some even said that a real man will not leave their wives and families defenseless.
So here is my question: How can trust in the Lord leave one’s family defenseless? If God is who He says He is and He promises to protect those who put their trust in Him, why the need for guns UNLESS those who want to use guns for “recreational use” AND for self defense cannot believe that God WILL protect them as He promised. What the Spirit of the Lord is addressing through all of this is the most devious enemy to the lives of believers and that is an unbelieving believer. Unbelief removed Israel from that cultured olive tree and we, because of faith, were engrafted in instead. But if we do not continue in faith by moving away from faith to unbelief, we are assured that we too will be removed. (Romans 11) — So I must ask again, how is trust in the Almighty somehow not enough protection that we must resort to the use of violence to fight violence, especially when our battle is not in the flesh but in the spiritual realm. Evil men commit evil acts BECAUSE they are under control of demonic forces which we, as Christians, have been given spiritual authority over. I’ve said I’ve witnessed this many times in my own life and have been delivered from those who sought my life because it was not my time to leave this earth. Until that time comes, nothing can take my life until the Lord gives that them that power. Just as Jesus responded to Pontius Pilate, “you would have no power over Me except it was given to you from a higher authority.” — My final thought…Since when does the laws of this world superseded God’s laws? Does the first and second amendments trump God’s authority by His Spirit? The answer in a word…NO. God has the final authority in all things. And this is true whether anyone chooses to agree with that truth or not.
God has instructed me to speak all I’ve spoken to this group, whether you will hear nor choose not to hear. Most have chosen not to hear. You have that right, not just by our constitution but by God’s will that gave each of us our own ability to choose. This is the crucible of the matter. When tree will YOU eat from, one that brings you to total submission to the Spirit of God (because you choose to submit yourself to Him) or will you eat from the tree of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and make your own determination as to what YOU deem as good in YOUR eyes. Understand, this is where sin entered into the world and continues to blind those who eat of its fruit. Remember, that tree has fruit that LOOKS GOOD and is DESIRABLE to make one wise. Those who choose to eat of THIS tree will perish but those who choose the tree of life (full and complete trust in all things in the Lord Jesus Christ) will move from death unto life eternal. So which is greater, trust in guns and ones ability to defend and protect or trust in the Creator of the universe who holds all things together through the word of His power? There is no choice to hold to both. Not me saying this. It is in His Word. We either put our lives into His hands and trust His faithfulness or we put our trust in ourselves.
Absolutely you must trust in the LORD first and foremost and do as He prompts you to do for your household. Some, however, will be instructed to obtain guns/ammo . . . if nothing else? To hunt food, or to protect the innocent. Others? No, they will be instructed to not have guns/ammo . . they may be told to “go” at the very last moment. Each is responsible to listen to/obey the leading of the Holy Spirit. Even with all of the weapons in the world, if a person decides to “arm up” and is not instructed to do that? It will NOT work. BUT if a person is instructed to “arm up” and does not? He/she will have to pay the consequences for disobedience. I know people in both groups. . . and neither are better than the other. ALL must obey, or we are being rebellious.
Jerry, I’m genuinely a seeker of truth and have no desire to be contentious. I would appreciate your thoughts on the following: If complete trust in God for our protection means not doing anything in our own physical capacity (including, but not limited to, the use of weapons in self-defense), then does that mean that complete trust in God for our healing means not doing anything in our own physical capacity (including, but not limited to, taking medication)?
In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul clearly tells Timothy to use wine in a medicinal application. Did Paul and/or Timothy lack the faith to believe that God was able to heal him? Certainly not. This is clearly an example of using wisdom. At present, I don’t see a conflict between trusting in God for protection and the manner in which it is fulfilled, whether it be supernaturally as you have chronicled, or through physical means as Jeff and others have suggested. There’s a difference between WHAT is promised and HOW it is fulfilled. I see danger in thinking something will only happen in a certain way. The Jews believed that the Messiah was to come, but failed to recognize HOW He came.
I also think it’s disingenuous to use examples of “pacifism” in the Bible to justify complete “non-violence” since those examples were directly related to persecution for Christ’s sake and not evil in general. They demonstrate a personal decision not to defend oneself through the use of force, as opposed to defending another innocent person from general harm. Leviticus 19:16 reveals that God expects us not to stand by idly when our neighbor’s life is threatened. That hasn’t changed because we are under a new covenant since it addresses our responsibility to protect life from evil in general. It has nothing to do with how we personally respond to persecution for Christ’s sake. That’s a separate matter.
Further, we see Paul advocating violence by those in authority (government in his example) when he says “he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil” (Romans 13:4). Again, this is addressing evil in general, as in criminal behavior, and it’s the duty of those in authority to execute justice, even through force if necessary. I’m not advocating taking the law into your owns hands, but simply pointing out the fact that God is not opposed to the use of force in certain situations.
Finally, using force doesn’t equal being a “violent” person. I see the use of force as an acceptable last resort. God has wisely established spheres of authority to keep order. It’s only when evil has penetrated through the established levels of authority that I would even find myself with the burden of whether to use force to defend myself or others.
Now, I’ll respond to your questions. “How can trust in the Lord leave one’s family defenseless?” In the context of your question, you draw the conclusion that if someone uses force in self-defense, then that person “cannot believe that God WILL protect them as He promised.” As described above, I see a difference in believing in WHAT God promises, and HOW it will be fulfilled. If God will supply all my needs according to His riches, then why should I work? I know that’s an extreme example, and one that was already addressed in the NT, but it illustrates the difference between WHAT is promised, and HOW it is effected.
You later ask the same question, but with an additional qualifier. You said, “So I must ask again, how is trust in the Almighty somehow not enough protection that we must resort to the use of violence to fight violence, especially when our battle is not in the flesh but in the spiritual realm.” I’ve addressed the first part, but as to the second part you are absolutely correct. Our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against evil in the spiritual realm. However, I must extend a word of caution in how that is interpreted. We are spiritual beings living in a physical world. We are to violently (forcefully) advance the Kingdom of God in an aggressive manner, (Matthew 11:12). This obviously does not mean that we should launch violent crusades in an attempt to convert the entire world, or else kill them. It means we go on the offensive when attacking the evil spiritual forces of this world, and the gates of hell will not prevail against our attacks. This speaks to advancing the Kingdom, and doesn’t speak to physically defending yourself or others from harm. As I’ve already mentioned, we know that God approves of, and has established, the proper use of force against those who practice evil (Leviticus 19:16; Romans 13:4).
Finally, you said, “Since when does the laws of this world superseded God’s laws? Does the first and second amendments trump God’s authority by His Spirit?” I agree that no man-made law supersedes God’s Law. I guess I fail to see how the 1st or 2nd amendments contradict God’s Law. The 1st amendment provides for the free exercise of religion, speech, press, and peaceful protest. The 2nd amendment provides for the right to keep and bear arms. In regard to the 2nd amendment, Jesus rebuked Peter for using his sword incorrectly, but not for having one (Matthew 26:52-54). He even said, “Put your sword in it’s place” instead of “get rid of your sword.” There’s a proper place for “arms” but they should never be used improperly.
So why did Jesus rebuke Peter for striking out? Matthew 26:53-54 gives the reason: 53 “Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?” Jesus rebuked Peter because his actions were thwarting the will of God. Notice it had nothing to do with how it happened. It didn’t matter if it was Peter using his sword (physical means), or Jesus calling down legions of angels (spiritual means), the reason it was wrong was because it was against God’s will.
Now, with all due respect, I submit a word of caution. You are right to admonish others to follow the leading of the Spirit. However, be careful how you judge others in how the Spirit leads them, for in doing so, you may be guilty of the very thing you accused others of doing: “will you eat from the tree of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and make your own determination as to what YOU deem as good in YOUR eyes.” Just because someone doesn’t come to the same conclusion as you doesn’t mean they are wrong. Jesus rebuked Peter for taking matters into his own hands and said that not even a “spiritual” response like calling down angels was appropriate. As you correctly alluded to, the key is submitting to the will of God. The use of force is not a light subject, but the principle remains: We must walk in humility, use wisdom and follow the leading of the Spirit in order to fulfill the will of God for our lives.
Joshua, seeker of truth, here is what I hear from the Spirit of the Lord. Throughout the bible, from its beginnings till now, we have seen a progressive revelation as God continues to work in the lives of men. We’ve seen Him employ the law as a way to introduce to mankind what God considers sin so that man may begin to change their ways from reliance upon themselves to determine good and evil to reliance upon God as it was in the beginning with Adam and Eve were in the garden. This is a very difficult road and God saw from the foundations of the world that this would be the first step but certainly not the final step. Jesus was planned from the beginning to enter the world, overcome sin, give His life for a ransom and to provide a way for the Spirit of God to re-enter into the lives of mankind. Obviously, this would require a new beginning of life called being born again of God’s Spirit and after this new life has started, provision would need to be made to nurture this new life unto full maturity where that new life will reach a point of perfectly reflecting both the heart and the mind of the Father through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus gave us a hint as to how this new journey will need to take place. We see something of this hint in how He instructed His disciples to pray. All the necessary elements were covered in this prayer including agreeing that God’s will is established on the earth as it is in heaven. In order for this to happen, we must come to the place where we not only “see” the kingdom of God which is invisible as it exists primarily in the realm of the spirit but also be brought to that place where the kingdom of heaven is fully established within our own lives. As such, from the time of the Pentecost when the very heart of the Father came into the hearts and minds of those men and women in the upper room and flooded them with His presence thus emboldening them to preach Jesus without that fear that had so kept them in bondage before this experience. So once this wonderful experience permeated their lives, they all were willing to lay down their lives for the furtherance of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not out of compulsion but because, for the first time in their lives, THEY KNEW THE HEART OF THE FATHER. This journey they were brought into by Jesus was going to continue throughout their lives, bringing them ever closer to the realization of God’s will of heaven on earth. Only one thing prevented them, the persecution that arose because of the Truth. Historically, everything that God used to establish His church on the earth seemingly began to be forgotten as the devil was successful in infiltrating the church until such time that many began to doubt whether this outpouring of God was to continue or was only for the first century church. Now the early church fathers did not have this view of dispensationalism when God only did this once to establish His church and then withdrew His baptism of the Holy Spirit from the church. This, as it turns out, was a doctrine of demons in order to hide the truth from mankind and this demonic horde was successful but God’s Spirit and His will would not be thwarted and through the various generations, He raised up certain men who defied the powers that ruled in the church at the cost of their own lives. More generations passed until we saw a reformation begin when the protestant movement began. Through the ensuing years, we see a resurgence of the revelation of God’s power being restored to the church and with each successive revival of His Spirit, a greater revelation of truth was released with each new generation being opposed by the former as men did not want change as they became comfortable with what they had already learned. Throughout all these centuries, wars and rumors of wars came, persecution of true believers grew to unprecedented proportions as millions of saints were martyred for their faith. Satan was enraged that his plans were being thwarted. Eventually, this ruling religious order was defeated and stripped of its power and the vicious persecution ended at least for a short season. New evil nations would arise and do much destruction will all of them seeking to rule the entirety of the world. None succeeded. Much bloodshed and much persecution continued with the saints of God. Untold millions giving up their lives for their faith in Christ. History has been bloody, even to more recent times we saw during the advent of yet another great evil with Hitler at its command not to forget those other evil me like Stalin and Mao Tse-tung who caused even more tribulation and martyrdom to Christians. The devil’s rage will never be quenched. Now for the present time. It has become apparent we are heading into the final days where Jesus returns and all evil men destroyed by the brightness of His coming. Getting back to the progressive revelation of God restoring back to the church that which it lost over the centuries, He is about to release a new and even more powerful anointing upon His children far eclipsing what was witnessed in the first century church. It will be IN this outpouring of His Spirit that all the secrets that have been hidden until now, will be revealed to those who have been found faithful. The revelation of the kingdom of heaven will be such that many of His saints will be traveling back and forth between heaven and earth being translated into the spiritual realm and when returning, with the ability to see the world of the spirit while on earth. Nothing will be hidden. It will be these that will usher in along with Christ, the millennial reign of Christ. It will be given to these that final revelation that John was not allowed to reveal…that book which was sealed until the time of the end. These will see and experience the life of heaven while still on this earth and with this, will release the power of God in ways never before conceived of by mankind. Many of the things that the world will see, including the church, will be so mind-boggling that it will defy all reason and many, even with this great spectacle and evidence of God’s unmatchable power, will still not believe and will perish with all the others. You see, in heaven, there will be no “guns” or weapons of any kind because the power of God permeates His domain. Once we taste of this heavenly power, the very thought of the use of weaponry as is known today will not be considered as it will never enter our minds. God’s power will be seen and understood by those walking in that nothing in this world can compare. The weapons of this world will appear to these as if they were but toys in the hands of children. Yes these worldly weapons can kill the body but the weapons of our warfare are far greater for they are aimed at the very root and cause of the evil that drives evil men. There will be those who will see an army of men coming to take them and with a single word or even a single gesture, all those men of war will be consumed by the power of God. Just as the captains of 50 were consumed when they tried to take Elijah, so will this be seen again. Yes, many will be martyred but what a great reward awaits them. Nothing in this world, no amount of suffering or pain can compare with the glory that is to be revealed. Once this life is over or has been changed into His glory where death will no longer reign or have its power, all the suffering and hardships and pain will be forgotten because of the magnitude of the glory of the Father. Yes, Joshua, the path to this is humility, walking in the counsel of the Spirit of God (wisdom) and following the leading of the Spirit in order to fulfill the will of God for our lives and His will is that we LIVE in heaven and LEAVE this earthly realm WHILE we are still in this body. Can that be done? Jesus did it and He said that we too can do it. It is enough that the servant be LIKE His master as he cannot be greater than his Master. Jesus has given us the KEYS TO THE KINGDOM and these keys will unlock all the mysteries of His kingdom so that we may be filled with His joy in our lives. His will is that we are ONE with Him as He is ONE with the Father that we all may be ONE with them. Jesus lived on earth in His physical form but He LIVED in that heavenly realm where He brought heaven to earth in the sight of all men. He never bore a weapon of any sort and when men sought to stone Him, He disappeared mysteriously. When they sought to drive Him to a cliff and cast Him down, He turned and walked away right in their midst. These were supernatural escapes. He was protected UNTIL that time would come when He would fulfill His ultimate purpose on the cross. We are told that we will work even greater works than He because He had to go to His Father. He is telling us right then that the works He did, we too will do but even greater works. He walked in the supernatural, having His fellowship with the Father unbroken. How often He prayed through the night and did not seem to need sleep as He received His refreshing of His body while in the presence of the Lord. How can this be many will ask but then, even a frail man like Moses would spend 40 days and 40 nights in the presence of the Lord without the need for food or water because the Spirit of the Lord would sustain his mortal body. God wants to introduce to those who walk with Him that realm of His Spirit that Moses knew for a short time and what Jesus knew while in His ministry. Heaven on earth within the very bowels of their inner man, carrying with them the promise of heaven, the fulfillment of heaven, the reality of heaven and its power and life. These will never taste of death as they will be translated directly from life to life as promised in the scriptures. The choice of whether you or I will be counted among those who will experience this is determined by the foreknowledge and will of the Father. Will we be part of those He has chosen from the foundations of the earth? To know this and to receive in ourselves the assurance of this is also to know and understand how it is we are chosen. The tribe of Levy were chosen by God to be His priests but this was not God’s intentions. He wanted the entire nation of Israel to be a kingdom of priests but they did not choose this for themselves but when Moses called out who was for the Lord, only that tribe of Levy responded. They chose God and now God chose them. The same happened with the 12 disciples (except for Judas Iscariot). All the others left because the sayings of Jesus were too hard and when Jesus turned to the remaining 12, He asked them if they were leaving as well. Peter spoke up and declared his faith and Jesus said, “And haven’t I chosen you 12 but one of you is of the devil”. You see here again, those who chose Jesus in the face of hard sayings that the rest could not bear, were to be those chosen by Jesus. So, are YOU one of the chosen? If you are, then you will know because when the worse of the worse comes, will you still choose Jesus above all else. Only in the midst of the fire will it be shown for the fire will reveal it. — In the final analysis, — Daniel 11:32 (NKJV)
32 “Those who do wickedly against the covenant he (the evil one) shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. — Will any of you press in will our your being and lay down your lives, taking no thought for your life but allow Jesus to live through you as His Body or will you find that the cost is too great and turn away. Each one will be presented with this choice. Understand, Heaven is real and hell is real. Life and death are being presented. Which will you choose. If you choose life, they you and all that IS you must die for the seed to produce fruit, it must first fall to the ground and die. This He requires of all who would follow Him.
Blah, blah, blah…..you didn’t listen to a single thing he said. You’re programed to spew out your learned scriptures…….. I don’t care if you rose people from the dead. Like Brenda says regarding Pentecost, it’s irrelevant to the subject matter (clanging cymbal)………. Now I’ve asked multiple times for an answer regarding the disciples carrying swords. You were silent……….. Now I ask and do not dismiss this question or you are without standing……… IF you are a guard entrusted in protecting children in Sunday school and they are attacked/threatened, what will you do ? Simple question, WHAT WILL YOU DO ? Let the Muslim decapitate the children or kill them…….. Do NOT avoid answering this question without a direct yes or no. I don’t want to hear your scriptural I’m higher than the rest of you BS.
Jerry is delusional. Jesus is not coming back as a lamb, give Anti-Christ a big hug, offer his two cheeks for Anti-Christ to slaps, let Anti-Christ to nail Him on the cross again . He is coming back to KILL the Anti-Christ and his enemies. He is coming back in great wrath. Jerry can not understand Jesus is the lion and the lamb, not just a lamb. He don’t understand fighting against evil, protect and defend for the weak is different from being a martyr. As Joshua said this is two separate matter. Being killed for food by thugs outside the supermarket ( God has revealed to Pastor Joe Sweet that this will happen and told him to prepare to protect the weak) is not martyrdom. If you were killed for food, not your faith in Christ, you are NOT a martyr. He keeping saying we are in the new covenant, so everything in the old testament is outdated now, which is false. Ps 91 is in the old testament. He said there is no weapon in heaven, yea, there is no terrorism is heaven too.
Please disregard my previous posts……. The discussions we’re having are so bothersome and I keep asking God what am I missing. What IS the truth ? Jerry is 100 X a better Christian than I. I read his post and they have been a blessing or reminder of God’s promises……… So what is it because I know God has given me peace about my decisions that are contrary to his…….. Jerry describes the woman who fought off the robber with only a command. I say praise God but it’s still 1 in a million today. The other 99.9% still live in this realm……. So tonight I’m asking God, what is it ? What’s the truth and His will…… Then He told me and it struck me gently over the head…….. You see Jerry sees WHAT WILL BE(soon) and lives accordingly now. While I/we see everything happening today and plan accordingly……… God is telling me there will be a day when it will be “natural” to walk as Jerry describes. Like a worm in a cocoon, we will naturally break out and fly as a butterfly. It will be soon but we will all progress at our own capacity least the cocoon is damaged……… It’s not like we’re talking apples and oranges. It’s more of a timing thing. Each individual spiritually awakening at his own pace……… Jerry described how miracles will happen so often the news reports will want to cover it. I dismissed that SEEING HOW THINGS ARE NOW……..God is telling us it will be “normal” for the true believers to act this way……..Then the faithful will have no need for guns…….. On that day I will stare down my Muslim opponent and he will flee from the Sunday school.
Thank you Jeff for this statement. The reason I speak of the future and what God wants of us is because He has shown me. He promised in His Word — Amos 3:7 (NKJV) Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. — Jesus said, — John 15:14-16 (NKJV)
14 “You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 “No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. — Although I am a son of God first and out of this relationship with the Father, I am called to the office of a prophet. This “friendship” was established through His blood and faith in His Name. Once this started, it continues through His developing a close relationship with us so that we can draw near to Him and learn of Him, to find and enter into that rest He promises to those who remain faithful. We do not approve ourselves but it is HE that approves us and through this, an unbreakable TRUST is created, an unbreakable BOND of LOVE between those who draw near to Him and in this trust, the secrets of the kingdom of God are revealed. He shows what is to come and bids me to warn His children. As a father myself, I was instructed by the Lord that I am not to lead my son by my words only but to lead through example and as such, God’s word had to be worked in my life to transform me so that as my son grew older, He would see the Father through me. Apparently this has worked. He is now 33 years, the father of identical twin girls and is serving in the ministry in both music and word. As a father, I am overjoyed in what God has done in my only child. Throughout his life, his mother and I gave our son back to the Lord. I’ve had this confidence that nothing evil would happen to our son and that God would protect him and touch his heart and mind. Once, when he wasn’t walking as he should before the Lord, the Holy Spirit let me know and put it into my heart to pray for the “Spirit of the Fear of the Lord” to be released. A few days later, my son wrote me telling me about a powerful dream he had. When I read the dream, instantly I was given the interpretation. God has answered my prayers as He directed me to pray! The fear of the Lord so struck my son that he wept for days afterward. Since that time, He has grown in wisdom and spiritual might beyond my hopes and dreams. God is so faithful to fulfill His promises to those who trust Him. — So why do I walk now for what lies ahead? I was chosen and approved by Him to walk in all His ways so that when I speak His words of instruction, I will already be walking fully in those words. I cannot speak of what I am not walking in. For if I give warning to others but do not do according to His Word, I may find myself disqualified in the end. We do not say to our children, “Do what I say and not what I do.” This is HYPOCRISY. The children will see it and dishonor you and God. Walk in INTEGRITY and in OBEDIENCE to the Spirit of God and you shall be blessed beyond your comprehension.
Joshua You’ve said everything many here have said with grace and respect. I can tell you Jerry and a few others here (who wouldn’t use a gun if it meant saving a whole body of believers) because they think on the other side of their brain (liberals) while using scriptures to justify their beliefs. One thing I’ve learned in life is it is a literal waste of time to talk sense into anyone operating on that side of the brain. Sure, the scriptures will flow to justify their stance and make them sure “it’s God’s direction”. Problem is WE ALL have the same communication line to God. How is it God’s telling us something different ? I don’t know, but I do know I don’t have the NEED to convince everyone to believe what pertains to my relationship with God as being the absolute definitive choice for their walk with God. That’s the problem using a particular scripture when it really doesn’t pertain to the discussion. One can literally use any number of scriptures to support one’s view…….. I have to date refused to argue scripture (though I am just as versed perhaps more because God speaks within me where the true Word of God exists besides the written Word………. Jerry, don’t forget to answer my question regarding being entrusted as protector of God’s children……. I’m sure we ALL want to know if we would feel safe entrusting our children to you.
Jeff, I too wouldn’t feel safe entrusting anyone’s children to me personally but if this happened, I turn my own concerns to the only One who can protect them. After all, He loves them FAR MORE than any man or woman could. HIS love is perfect and is not moved by the thoughts, words or actions of others. Doesn’t the scripture say that NOTHING can separate us from His love? So, if I were entrusted with the lives of my and other’s children? I will turn to the only WISE GOD and follow whatever instructions He gives me. I will not listen to what men say but what God says. Will HE be able to protect them? According to His will and purposes He will be faithful to His word. How do I know this? Isaiah 55:11 says so. I believe Him and in His Word to me I will stand.
Government paid trolls have all day to be a traitor. Nuts on pills lose track of time and get immersed in nonsense. Trolls goal = NWO’s goal … get the “townsfolk,” or … “sheeple,” to DEBATE The 2nd Amendment, and the use of force against evil. THEY … get you to ARGUE different SIDES. See ? Make it, “controversial.” Water it down. Now when the false religion practicing towel heads were conquering ( the townsfolk of, ) the world … who and what stopped them ? A bunch of pill popping girly men trolls ? Of course not. Well armed very violent white CHRISTIAN Frenchmen ! Had they DEBATED use of the sword to DEFEND against the barbarian fanatic zeros coming to rape kill rob and behead … sites like this where townsfolk can gather to defend their normalcy bias and cowardice wouldn’t exist. You’ld all be on prayer rugs uttering mumbo jumbo. Except me. I’d be drawing Mohamed cartoons. 🙂
PLEASE. . . EVERYBODY . . . let the Holy Spirit lead each person according to what the LORD instructs him/her to do regarding guns/ammo. Let’s get a bit logical about this for a moment: what if it is also to be able to hunt for food? NOW. . . what did Jesus Himself say about a weapon, which primarily was a sword in His day. Let’s see what the Bible says ———->>
Luke 22:35-36…35And He said to them, “When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” 36And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
~~~~~~~~~~ NOW. . .why would Jesus have the disciples buy a sword if they didn’t have one? I seriously don’t think it was so they could skewer meat to cook over an open flame. ~~~~~~~~~ SO, before everybody continues hurling stones at one another, how about praying for each other that we will ALL hear and obey the Holy Spirit’s leading on our individual lives, so we can actually function as a body of Christ, rather than aborted baby parts.
Why, Linda ? I already addressed the sword scripture TWICE with no reply. Nor did we get a reply about what one would do if the children in church were attacked……. What I did get is ANYONE who disagrees is not following the Holy Spirit. I obviously never excepted Christ because I believe in the God given right to physically defend my family. 30 minutes AFTER I explain being saved and going further into detail about being baptized in the spirit (my mistake I guess) someone posts about a dream received 20 YEARS AGO ?and how those that rely on that experience are deluding themselves. The fact that I shared my experience (40 years ago) did in no way described I was living on those laurels of speaking in tongues today…… Not only that but we get insinuations from that dream (from Jerry) that we will somehow be the ones turning him in for persecution……….. btw The day the MSM reports about ANYTHING Christian positive (miracles) is the day I hand in my gun. Maybe hell will freeze over.
Sigh . . . this string of disagreements is just another example of the bickering between professing Christians. The devil doesn’t have much work to do . . . there is “fighting” amongst the brethern. Sigh again. . . I continue to pray for all of my brothers and sisters in Christ to do as He/she is led to do. I’ll add that each will not judge the assignment of another, for each one is given specific instructions by the LORD for his/her household. . . if only there are “eyes to see” and “ears to hear”. Sigh again 🙁
amen, Amen and AMEN..!!!..
Romans 13……….the govt is God’s instrument of righteousness, so we can live peaceful lives, filled with good works……..because bad govt is (mostly ) better than no govt (anarchy)…………when we see a crime, we call the police..and the police will bring guns to arrest the criminal………if its wrong for us to shoot in self-defence, its wrong to call the police (who will bring guns)…………….Praise Christ!
Good point!
Jerry, would you share your ’78 vision?
Sorry for the delay Sarah. Here is what happened in Oct. ’78. — I was watching a news broadcast on TV when, in the middle of the broadcast, I saw to my upper right, what appeared to me to be a high definition wide screen TV, similar to what we see today. On this screen, I saw 3 giant Frogs, spirits of divination, rising out of the Atlantic in the vicinity of Atlanta, GA. (I was given the knowledge of what those giant frogs represented while in the vision. Now Atlanta is not on the coast but it is the nearest large city to where I saw these frogs appear as I was watching, I saw something like a living map of the eastern part of the country.) As soon as these ruling spirits came onto our shores, I saw a terrible time of terrorism released across this country, far beyond what we currently see in other parts of the world. This time of terror was so terrible that men’s hearts were failing them for fear. At this point, I cried out to the Lord asking for this not to happen, seeking how it might be averted. His answer to me was, “This is necessary and will not be stopped. I am using this to separate My church” and I understood immediately that this was His threshing hook in His hand and He will use this to separate between the wheat and the chaff. — The vision ended. Afterwards, God showed me through understanding while in the Spirit, that at this time of great terrorism in this country, severe persecution will also arise. And in the midst of all this, I was shown a great outpouring of His Spirit on His true church for at this time, there will be a politically correct church that names the name of Jesus but without His Spirit and His power and a supernatural church but not open and meeting in secret places. These will experience a power and outpouring of His Spirit accompanied with signs and wonders the world has never seen before. This outpouring will release a measure of His power that will be greater than anything ever seen on earth and will lead to the greatest harvest of souls the would will ever see. It IS the former and latter rain together.
This vision goes along with dreams/revelations I have been given by the LORD. I also have been warning people that jihad will come to the United States, but there will be some amazing miracles of provision, protection and peace given to those who are fully 100% in Christ. I love it when the Holy Spirit confirms what He has shown.
Thank you. I have had dreams, as many people have, of fires and chaos in the streets. I am encouraged that we will be living during the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit ever. Yet, I also have had dreams of holding my first grandchild, and my oldest isn’t even out of HS. So, I think it is a mighty storm that we will pass safely through, by the Grace of God.
A few years ago I was in Atlanta and had a very clear, vibrant dream (Holy Spirit dream) where Atlanta was under Marshall Law.
How much time do we have?
Sarah, the time is growing shorter and shorter but the exact time we have…all I can say is that “today is the day of salvation” and “hear His voice now for the time will come when you will not be able to hear Him”. I know this sounds cryptic but to those who DO hear His voice, this truth will become apparent but to those who refuse and do not hear His voice and will not yield their lives to His leading, they will not be able to hear Him. It has to do whether there is “oil in their lamps” or there is “no oil in their lamps”. Now personally, I do not see Obama leaving the presidency. What I’ve seen is a “false flag” will arise causing the 2016 presidential elections to be “postponed” and martial law being established to quell what this “false flag” will be about. I also see that the constitution will be removed from its place as being outdated and Obama establishing himself as ruler of the USA but there are many things that can prevent this right now. Judgment is coming to this nation (no time frame as yet). That vision of terrorism unleashed and persecution is very near. I had a recent dream where I was instructed by the Lord to warn His children away from a false Jesus being preached in the churches. It was the same Jesus we know but what they were teaching about Him did not reflect Him at all. In the dream, I went out to preach at every church He led me to and was met with much anger and hatred by those in those churches and being called a false prophet among other things. The next scene, I saw myself among a huge crowd of people as we all stood before the judgment seat of Christ. It was a huge pure white throne, set upon a huge platform. Jesus sat on that throne and to give an idea of how large He appeared, His hand was large enough to pick me up with only my head and feet extended out from the top and bottom of His grip. He was huge. A large crowd of people were in front of this judgement seat, divided in the middle separating those on Jesus’ left from those on His right by a great divide which no one from either side could cross over and yet, we all could see and hear each other. Then Jesus called my name and where I was on His right side, I was instantly transported from where I stood in the crowd to appear on that huge stage. Then, something like a high definition screen appeared above and to the back of where I stood and on that screen, my life appeared. Everyone saw my going out from church to church preaching the message I was given to preach and as this was showing, many many voices from the left side crowd began to cast their accusations and all kinds of slander. Then I saw Jesus lift up His hand which quieted that raucous crowd and He said, “I was the One who gave him instructions to speak this message!” Suddenly, that crowd of evil men were fully silenced and before I knew it, Jesus grabbed me by His huge hand and flung me with great force behind His throne. The force was so great that if I had been in my natural body, I would have disintegrated. As I was flying through the air, I could hear His words behind me saying, “Well done good and faithful servant. Enter into the joy of your Lord.” And instantly, I was transformed into something I could only describe as pure joy!. When I woke up, you would think I would have continued in this utter experience of unimaginable joy but that didn’t happen. When I woke up, I was absolutely broken and crying my eyes out. At first, I wondered why but soon, I realized that I was weeping for all those who will miss their time and have believed the lies of that false Jesus being preached today in the churches. It has been my task since this time to begin to reach out to my brethren in Christ and give that warning He gave me to give. It has been very difficult. This thread is but a very small example of the kind of opposition I’ve faced among my brethren for it is born again, spirit-filled believers that are opposing this message. We all must bow our hearts before the Lord and let the candle of His Spirit search out the depths of our hearts to root out all those things that bring an offense to Him. Many will not but I pray that more will and find wonderful reconciliation with the Lord they say they love so greatly. This is why Jesus warned the churches in Revelations. Although speaking to those Asian churches then, each message applies to all of us today, especially about that one church which has left their first love. Jesus said to them to remember from where they’ve fallen and go back and do the first works or He will remove their candlestick from its place unless you repent. (Rev. 2:5).
I posted this prophetic word to my Facebook group and one of my friends posted this comment which I absolutely love and feel it is “on point”:
Jude 20-21…..But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Some authors tend to make wrong interpretation. Good hearts, bad interpretation. Purely wrong. Jerry tends to spiritualize certain things – Jeff and Jo have it right. “If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus”- 1 Corinthians 15:32 He could make that a metaphor for demons but Paul already mentions those in the following verses. He confuses the mandate of “self defense” and defending family with outright murder. It is unBiblical= he is entitled to his view. You can confuse bearing the sword (mandate of government even Christian leaders) – self defense and murder. You can even go an picket against the death penalty- if you so desire.
I struggle with this site cause sometimes people are “mary mary quite contrary” on here- and some of the so called prophets just have a contrary nature. Some seem insecure. Others have pride or fear and it comes across. Joshua and Caleb really fought and destroyed giants. Real ones not imaginary. My advice is “if God told you not to hoist a gun….good for you.” Quit trying to make it Scripture, because it will only embarass you further. Rejecting a prophecy or an interpretation is not “persecution” like so many think. Getting killed by ISIS is persecution or in Oregon.
There other problem is most people have not experienced viable persecution. The picture shows true persecution. Rome in 60AD. There is growing pressure and the Roseberg gun shooting was definitely real persecution. If you are a Christian guard with a gun at that school, you would be absolutely foolish to listen to Jerry in this post “gee can I save 10 lives or should i not stop this evil murderer?” Some people have a one size fits all way called “my way or the highway.” A few are only internet prophets meaning their life works at home behind a computer. If you look into it you find not much ministry or fruit. I hate the prophetic life that proclaims rejection as “persecution”. Some just need to get a real job, hang out with people and socialize. This idea of i am a prophet and we are supposed to trust you, please. Some just need to get a few friends, get a personality and work at WalMart. Walmart has alot of ministry opportunities- i worked there for many years. Bobby Conner is a true voice I would trust his insights. People like Bakers were humbled alot more than most folks ever have been. There is too many prophets who confuse their words with Gods and their feelings as His. Please try to do better at this……………….
Amen, amen, and amen.
Jimmy Dean, you can choose to believe the words of prophets or not. Being cast out, falsely accused, attacked, threatened with death numerous times is NOT persecution? I’ve seen all of it including one with a large butcher knife threatening to cut me “like a Christmas turkey” (his words, not mine). I spoke the word that the Holy Spirit gave me to speak and this man froze in his tracks and left in a state of confusion as the powers of darkness in him was overwhelmed by God’s power. Another time, a man threatened to tear my head off and I spoke the words God gave me and an angel of the Lord grabbed this mans extended arms and pulled them behind him, dragging him into a chair. Later, this man told me what happened from his perspective. He saw what he was doing and saying but was more like a spectator, powerless to stop what he was doing. Then, he heard me say something, then instantly, he felt two vise like hands grip both arms and pulled him backward into the sofa and he couldn’t move. All that men do to each other that is evil, it is because there are more powerful spiritual forces at work in them but through the authority given to those who believe, we are able to command those demonic powers to be bound. Jesus gave His disciples authority over all the powers of darkness and they used this authority to cast out demons, thus setting those captives free. I have walked in this deliverance ministry for more than 35 years and have seen many delivered from possession and oppression. I’ve even seen a man die and raised from death by the command of the Spirit of the Lord. I does not matter to me if you choose to not believe me or scoff. I was there and you were not. My testimony is true because of the witness I have from the Father and the Holy Spirit and those who received deliverance. Each one could tell anyone what happened and that God’s power is very real, especially those who were taken over by those powers of darkness. When the scriptures say our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against powers of darkness, this is truth. There are documents events where a man with a gun, entered a jewelry store, threatened to kill everyone and the owner, a woman, commanded that demon in that man with the gun to be bound and to leave that place. That man with a gun, in obvious great confusion, left without getting his prize. There are other stories where a woman was abducted by a man and during their trip in her car, she witnessed to him about Jesus and the man eventually gave up and gave his life to Jesus. All this through obedience to the Holy Spirit. Each situation will be different. If anyone, like these two women I spoke about, will hear the voice of the Spirit of God and do what He says, they will not suffer harm but see the glory of God. I know it is hard for you and others to accept but a time is coming very soon, where many miracles will be recorded by the media for all to see. There will be many of God’s servants, unknown by most at this time, who He will send to do mighty signs and wonders, so much so, the national media will assign their reports to follow some of them in the hope of “catching a miracle live”. And they will. Then all the naysayers and all the doubters will be left wondering. God will vindicate His servants and even more than that, He will vindicate His great name which you and others tend to drag down to your level and speak evil of those whom He has sent to warn you even if you do not want to be warned. For when that day of judgment comes and you find yourself on the wrong part of the “aisle”, you will be left with no excuse for a record has been made of everything each of us has ever done and if you’ve scoffed and made a mockery of His prophets, He will not hold you guiltless. You may think yourself secure today but when this comes, there will be no place to hide from the wrath of God except to be found IN Him, walking according to the leading and guiding of His Spirit. Psalms 91.
Amazing testimony, Jerry. Yes, many miracles will be seen that will astounish many, but there will still be those who do not believe. Again, each must be led by the Holy Spirit because some of the miracles may indeed be a person who was directed to have guns/ammo and they watch one bullet take out an invading gang of thugs, as the angelic forces back up that one believer. On the other hand, people like you and me are not to obtain weapons. . . we are being directed in other ways. I have seen in dreams the fire of God knocking enemies over and have been given the faith to believe it will happen. The danger, as you have indicated? When people try to do things in their own strength; it will fail. May the LORD help each one of us listen to and obey the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Amen Linda. I had a recent vision where I was speaking to a group of men, including many Muslim men, about the Lord Jesus. They were listening! Then, while I was speaking, there was one man in the back (this was outside in an open area and no loud speaker), who was in an obvious rage. I saw satan enter him and he began to run towards me, make all kinds of threats as he approached. In the vision, I just pointed at him and the power of God took his life. He dropped dead at the very moment I pointed at him. The anointing on me at that time was very powerful and there was absolutely no fear in me but a tremendous love for this lost souls. Over the years, I’ve had many visions of what was going to happen when God pours out of His Spirit once more as at the beginning (the first Pentecost) and one of the hallmarks of these saints being used of God during this time is an utter lack of fear and for some, a visible presence of the glory of God on them. One sister in the Lord told me of a dream she had where she and I were both in it. We were near a large city with mountains nearby. She saw me leading about 50 people towards the nearest mountain. It was dark outside and when we came near the mountain, she could see a cave opening in the side of this mountain. I went in first and as everyone else followed, the cave seemed to be getting brighter and brighter. She wondered where this light was coming from as she saw no artificial light of any kind. Then, once everyone was inside, she said she saw me turn towards the people and there was light coming from my eyes that illuminated the entire cave. Then her dream ended. When she told me this dream, naturally I was astounded and began to seek the Lord about what this means. This is where I began to understand about His glory being revealed in some of His servants. Just as Moses spent time in the presence of the Lord and his face began to glow with the glory of the Lord, so will those who spend much time in the presence of the Lord. His glory will be seen, even on men and women in these last days and just as the children of Israel were fearful of Moses because of that glow, men will be fearful of those saints who will walk with the glory of the Lord emanating from their being. I pray that I will be counted worthy to still be here when all this begins and even more than this, that I will be counted worthy to be used of Him to show forth His glory. I’ve preached about this, ministered this truth over the years but who would listen then. Very few. Perhaps now, as we approach this time, some will have woken up from their slumber and begin to put on the Lord Jesus Christ and see what God is about to do.
My daughters have also had dreams of coming hardship. My 7 year old had dream of tornado and then taken to lava but right before we came to the lava we were brought back home. Interesting your daughter dreamed of lava as well.
As far as the gun discussion, one verse that helps to show the need for defending your family from rape assault etc would be “he who does not provide for his household is worse than an unbeliever”. How can one provide for their household if they are all killed in front of him or her. Also God hates evil cannot say that God would want me to stand by and watch my child be raped no way! He defends the defenseless.
But with that said its not a need for His Body to argue over but a need for us to follow His leading on our lives which will look different for each family. Maybe that’s relocating for some . I’ve had dreams after the collapse of very dark things happening in broad daylight by those in authority so if led to stay here I would be prepared spiritually yes but also with arms etc because if my dreams are true then rape and murder will happen in broad daylight even by those in authority and those in authority that hold in hostage are the same ring leaders of human trafficking.
Dark days are indeed coming. It will put to a fiery test everyone’s faith and in what manner the kingdom of God was built in each one’s life…— 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 (NKJV)
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. — The persecution prophesied in the post above calls for God’s children to prepare. This preparation is one that is done in the heart of each one. Here is what was said, “She (the remnant) must arm herself in My Word, in My strength.” Notice, we are to arm ourselves in God’s Word and in God’s strength. Nowhere in this prophetic word is there a call to physical arms. Our ONLY protection and defense and strength will be found in God and His Word. This is why so many prophets, including myself, have been calling for the church to LIVE in Psalms 91. This persecution has been prophesied for many years. God gave me a vision about this time in Oct. ’78. Others received warnings and were told to warn others much earlier. We have all been obedient to give out His warnings but the day WILL come and many will turn on those who gave warning and cause them to be killed. These who do this will believe they are serving God when, in fact, will be doing the bidding of the accuser of the brethren. In other words, they will be obeying their father, the devil, because where in the scriptures does God advocate the killing of our brothers and sisters in Christ. NOWHERE! Yet, sadly, this will happen. I have already seen my martyrdom and that of my family as well. We will never feel a thing because, instantly, we will be in the presence of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If we live or die, it will be by the Lord’s will and not our own. He promises a great reward for all those who die a martyr’s death. We will see just what that means and we are already prepared and have no fear. After all, why should I fear? Has the arm of the Lord shortened that He cannot save? But our testimony will be as the 3 Hebrew young me, “We will not bow down to that idol oh king. Our God is able to save us but even if He doesn’t, we will not bow down to your idol!” The book of Revelations shows a multitude, too many to count, who died in the great tribulation. Notice, they were all standing before the Lord in heaven. John saw this and testified to this. So, although their physical bodies died, they all are still alive in the Spirit and will be reunited with their resurrected, glorified bodies when Jesus returns to bring His bride home and destroy the wicked.
Yes, I agree. What was this prophetic post about? Oh yeah, the remnant’s weak condition. What was the Lord’s instruction? Oh yeah, “She must arm herself in My Word, in My strength. She does not understand what is coming, how powerful the pull of evil. Many will fall away, faith will grow weak, the task will be too great if they battle in their own strength.”… My people must prepare for battle. I did not escape persecution, but bowed to the will of My Father, and you must do the same.”
Did He say the remnant must arm herself in guns? Did He say we already know what we need to do? Did He say if we battle in our own strength (carnal weapons?), we’ll be fine? Somebody else said that. Oh yeah, that was the first posted comment, delivered in mockery and coarse jesting. Hmmmm.
The evil coming is not just the edge of the jihadist blade. It’s the confusion and fear that precedes it, the satanic machinery of division, chaos, strife and war, and the blood-lust to retaliate, under which onslaught many can fall away. Even if the evil coming stops short of blood-letting, if it’s merely an escalating ideological war of persecution, carnal weapons will not end it.
I’m not opposed to the 2nd amendment. I’m grateful for it. But I also see that we are in a clash of kingdoms. As believers, we’ve been translated into His kingdom, where the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, yet are mighty to the pulling down of strongholds. He has instructed by the prophetic statement that launched this debate the remnant is to arm herself in His Word and His strength, and He has said the remnant must bow to the will of His Father. Anyone this doesn’t apply to is free to disregard it.
Jerry, you have done due diligence in presenting the Word, skillfully and in patience. Let him who has ears hear.
Thank you Yael. I have only done as I was beckoned to by the Lord. I really appreciate your comment and thank you for putting this whole thing back into its proper perspective. Only satan would work to bring a distraction from that pure word of warning from the Lord.
Yeah, I’m definitely a Nehemiah 4:14 kind of guy: “Do not be afraid of them; remember the Lord who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives and your houses.”
Jerry Not everything is so cut and dry. You can not interpret the heart of anyone here posting (many here seem to think they can)…….. To answer your question……. I don’t plan on hurting anyone and I don’t know if I could ever kill anyone. I certainly am not concerned for my life so you can stop the “selfish” condemnation scriptures/statements……. Given the situation where my family is being threatened by a drug induced home invader ( for lack of a better example) I would pray for protection and deliverance. If this became a life and death decision I would thank God HE gave me the insight to own a gun and would proceed to use it…… Whether that’s right or wrong you be the judge (as you have already)…….. I would consider it a foolish act to NOT use what was given me……The right to bear arms is the reason we are the most free country on the planet. The city’s with the most stringent gun controls have the highest homicides. States that practice “carry” have little to none. Is that by accident ? You decide.
Not my judgment Jeff. Jesus is the only righteous judge. I speak as I hear from the Holy Spirit. What you do with what I say is not my say. Each will have to give an account for their words and choices. I can only say what I hear the Spirit say. I have no judgment either way. If I hear God say one thing and I am told to say what He told me to say, I will not deviate to the left or to the right. Others may view me as judgmental but that is because they do not know me at all. By their responses, I can see the there is much more they need to know of their heavenly Father. I do not know the motives of your heart until you speak them out, then, based upon what you are saying, I will respond with what the Spirit of the Lord shows me to say. And before you say it, I’ve heard it hundreds if not thousands of times before, I am often accused of “hiding” behind the “thus says the Lord” statement. All I can say is that He is my refuge and my strong tower. Yes, my life IS hidden in Christ and it is because He loves and trusts me that He continues to give to me words to warn His children that the path they have chosen for themselves is a path that leads to death. It is not His choice for you. What father would not want to protect His children and yet, you do not believe he will protect you except through the use of armed force? I’ve given examples of a few times in my life where my life was spared through His protection according to His spirit. In fact, I feel far more safe “hiding” in His Spirit than I ever would with a loaded gun in my hand. I’ve made the choice in my life to TRUST God implicitly with my life and the life of my family and now, my son has done the same with his family. We have chosen not to own guns because we’ve been shown by the Holy Spirit, that this is not His way. How YOU choose to obey the Spirit of the Lord is not answerable to ME but to HIM. Everyone must walk in the light they have but when more light is offered and we choose to stay where we are, satisfied in the light we already have, then we do so at our own risk. For when the “cloud” moves, the people of God are to move with the “cloud” of God’s presence. Not to move means to reject His covering of protection. This is that risk I was speaking of.
Jerry I appreciate the reply. I can’t disagree with anything you said. You are spot on regarding God’s promises. I know the Word of God is in me and that God’s promises are true……… If you ask anything. If you believe you can move mountains, heal the sick, RAISE THE DEAD……..These promises are not fulfilled in me so where do you draw the line ? I already told you I do not care if I die. So if my faith is not enough to protect my family I fail both ways.
Jeff, because you have not experienced the raising of the dead does not mean the promise is not fulfilled. Are you still alive and breathing? If you are, then your time is not ended with time to see that fulfillment IF you believe. God has used me to raise a man from death to life. Jeff, I perceive you do not understand the nature of faith. Jesus said that if your faith is the size of a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds, then you can say to this mountain, remove yourself and cast yourself into the sea and it will obey you. Here is what Jesus did not say and He did not say it because you will learn this truth when you truly exercise your faith. FAITH brings you into His kingdom. Now, this faith is like the foundation of a great house. Only this house is not yet built. Once in God’s house, He will instruct you by His Holy Spirit and as you OBEY His instructions, THEN IF HE tells you to speak to the mountain, it will do as you say but if He DOESN’T speak to you to have this mountain removed, it does not mean you haven’t enough faith. He just hasn’t given you those instructions. Had He done so, out of OBEDIENCE, you would have spoken those words and that mountain would be removed. I have been used of God in many miracles of healing, deliverance and signs and wonders and in all of these, it was not the SIZE of my faith but through my OBEDIENCE to His voice that those things were done. Also remember how Jesus described that mustard seed. Although it is the smallest of seeds, when it is planted, it grows into a great tree. So faith does not remain as small as a mustard seed but if planted, it will grow into a great tree. Unless a seed falls to the ground, it abides alone but if it dies, it will produce much fruit. This is the dying to self that the Spirit of the Lord is calling all His children to do. He wants that mustard seed faith to die so that it will begin to grow. As long as YOUR will is still ruling your life, you cannot produce the heavenly fruit but once YOUR will dies and is supplanted by God’s will, THEN you will see the fruit of the spirit begin to manifest in your life.
I sure hope my God is big enough to deliver me from evil since I live in Canada and they don’t let us own guns easily. If I have to rely on weapons of man, then I’m done for. But the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but are mighty through God for the pulling down of strongholds… we battle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers of darkness…my kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my followers would take up weapons and fight…(paraphrases mine). Pray for a hedge of protection around you and your loved ones. Pray for the Lord of hosts to send His angels to guard you. Then, like Jesus, you will be protected. But when your time is come, like Jesus, we lay down our lives willingly for the sake of the gospel. Like the apostles and so many other martyrs over the centuries. There is a time for a holy war, there is a time to fight. I believe God led the allies to fight against the evil of the axis powers in WWII and other wars. Let’s just be sure we are listening to the right voice and not live in fear.
A few weeks ago my younger daughter (5 years) told us her betta fish was missing from the tank. We looked on the floor and it had jumped out and dried up into a curly black coil. She cried and mourned, and my wife reassured her. Later that morning a sparrow flew into a window and was standing on our driveway looking stunned. My girls put it on the grass and gave it some leaves for comfort. Later we checked on the sparrow and it had died. It occurred to me that God was preparing them to see death, because death is coming. I believe God will protect them supernaturally, but they will likely have to see it here in America.
My five year old doesn’t normally talk about her dreams, but she recently talked briefly about a dream where volcano (lava?) overran our neighbor’s house and stopped before it reached our house. My older daughter (8 years) said she had an apocalyptic dream with fires everywhere and cops were shooting people.
What can I say about all of this? God is preparing my daughters to see tribulation, as He has done for my wife and me.
Believe the dreams, Mike! I know from the testimony of my friend that God or His angels do stop destruction from coming upon even the property of His righteous saints: Every house in her neighborhood was damaged from a massive explosion – every window shattered, cracks in walls, things thrown off shelves, and grass, flowers, shrubs & trees with trunks up to about 1.5-2 inches all flattened – except for her home. The visible explosion radius split in a “V” several feet in front of her property, going around it and rejoining to continue the destruction on the far side. Her home and property had Zero damage, and she wasn’t even in it when the explosion happened. Search YouTube for news and other videos of chemical explosion in Henderson NV and you can see the destruction. Her home was saved, as yours will be, because you both are founded on the Rock (Jesus) and abide (live) in Him.
WOW. . . amazing testimony of the POWER and PROTECTION of the LORD. Yes, we will see more of that amazing, supernatural protection in the days ahead.
Wonderful testimony Brenda. This is exactly what I’ve been trying to tell others in this thread. God can protect us. If He can protect this house of that believer where it is untouched and there is no earthly reason that can explain how, imagine what He can do to protect His children from evil men. All the naysayers conjure one scenario after another to show their unbelief that faith and pray are not enough but there are literally thousands of testimonies of those who say that God can and does protect them WITHOUT them having either own guns or use them. Faith in God and pray to God, if made in faith, is more than enough. Besides my own experiences, I’ve known many throughout my life who have astounded me with their testimonies of incredible deliverance from danger, even as flying garages were barreling towards their house during a fierce hurricane and they just spoke the name JESUS and an unseen hand just swiped that missile of a garage to miss their house and pass between theirs and their neighbor’s house. A tornado was heading right for another’s home, with all their family inside that home, and at the name of Jesus, that tornado, lifted up, passed over their house without causing any harm and dropped back down to the ground and continued on the same path as before. Everyone’s house was gone and their’s remained, untouched. Incredible testimonies of God stopping a devastating blowtorch like fire from completely consuming a man’s head but God stopped it and although this man was severely burned where the doctors gave no hope of survival, this man not only lived but was completely healed from his neck up with no scarring and all his hair regrown as before. He keeps pictures of his before and after as testimony. People, IF YOU BELIEVE that God will not be there for you, He will not, HOWEVER, if you believe He will, He will be faithful and you will see and experience the glory of God. — Once again, thank you Brenda for sharing that testimony.
Jo, you’re wasting your time. Jerry will use any unrelated scripture to support his hate of guns then judge you to hell (like Satan the accuser would)……. Our God fearing Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd amendment for a reason(after prayer and fasting)……. Stalin, Hitler, the UN, and Obama disagree. I’ll take the other side.
Jeff, I am disappointed and very sad to hear some Christian men refused to fight and protect us women because it is ‘violent’. It does not make any sense to me. No wonder ISIS are so arrogant because the Christians in the Middle East do not have physical weapons to fight.
Jo, are you willing to have another die to save your own life or the lives of your family? Is this what Jesus taught? I will ask you the same question as I asked Jeff. What is YOUR scriptural justification for the taking of another’s life to save your own?
Jerry, I am a small woman, only 5 feet tall. But if anyone break into my house to hurt my family I will fight for them. If I die, I die. It is insane to do nothing and say I just trust God. You want Bible justification, easy, just read the Bible. King David fought and rescued his women and children when they were taken captives by the enemies. He did not stay at home and just pray. He fought for them. Israel will not exist if they did not FIGHT FOR THE PROMISE LAND.
“It is insane to do nothing and say I trust God.” According to your statement Jo, you may SAY you trust God but your actions and other words do not SAY your trust in Him is real. Jo, your arguments are not really directed at me but are directed at God. You will not give chapter and verse to justify your actions and quote only out of the Old Testament where everyone in the OT were under an old covenant which was REPLACED with a NEW COVENANT where God’s laws are written on the tablets of our hearts. All I can say to you is to draw nearer to God and He will draw near to you. He is our SHIELD and our BUCKLER (defense) and in HIM will I trust. Haven’t you read in the OT that King Jehoshaphat cried out to God because his enemies were greater than him and God said this:
— 2 Chronicles 20:15-17 (NKJV)
15 And he said, “Listen, all you of Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem, and you, King Jehoshaphat! Thus says the LORD to you: ‘Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, FOR THE BATTLE IS NOT YOURS, BUT GOD’S. 16 ‘Tomorrow go down against them. They will surely come up by the Ascent of Ziz, and you will find them at the end of the brook before the Wilderness of Jeruel. 17 ‘You will not need to fight in this battle. Position yourselves, stand still and see the salvation of the LORD, who is with you, O Judah and Jerusalem!’ Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out against them, for the LORD is with you.” — As you read further, the enemy was defeated as God sent confusion into the camp and they turned on one another. Or have you not read what happened when the city of Dothan, where the prophet Elisha lived, was surrounded by a large army but God, through His prophet, did this: — 2 Kings 6:12-18 (WBS)
12 And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bed-chamber. 13 And he said, Go, and spy where he is, that I may send and bring him. And it was told him, saying, Behold, he is in Dothan. 14 Therefore he sent thither horses, and chariots, and a great host: and they came by night, and encompassed the city. 15 And when the servant of the man of God had risen early, and gone forth, behold, a host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said to him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? 16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that are with us are more than they that are with them. 17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire around Elisha. 18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed to the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha. — These and other examples of God’s miraculous deliverance for those who believe are sprinkled throughout the OT. These did not NEED weapons, although they had them, and their weapons would have not been sufficient because they were well outnumbered. Because they called out to God, God responded by defending them through His own great power. You mentioned David’s recovery of his and his men’s families but did you know that he did not decide on his own to go against the Amalekites who took their families away captive? He sought God whether to go up against them or not. But remember, we are under a NEW COVENANT and not under the Old Covenant. If we choose to act UNDER the Old Covenant, then we shall be JUDGED under the LAW of the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is one of “loving others as Jesus loved us”. This is Jesus’ NEW commandment He gave to His disciples while also praying for all those who would believe according to their testimony as can be read in John 17. Nothing in Jesus’ prayer in John 17 advocated for the use of arms to defend oneself. The persecution that is most certainly coming will separate between those who draw near with the lips only and those who truly TRUST in God. Yes, there will be martyrs but this is not to be viewed as something horrible. Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints (— Psalms 116:15 (NKJV)15 Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His saints.— Also, Paul says — 2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV) 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. — And for a final scripture, — 1 Corinthians 15:55-57 (NKJV)
55 “O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.— We are not of those who should FEAR. Jesus told His disciples not to fear because He overcame the world. If He has overcome, then He will give us what we need to overcome as well. That is the message of the entire New Testament record.
Bobby Conner ( a man of God) in one of Jim Bakker shows said, “several years ago the Lord instructed me to tell people to start buying bricks of ammunition…..I think the Lord is trying to prepare the people…a gun without ammunition is worthless…..” http://jimbakkershow.com/video/prophecy-angels/ (around 05:00) God told Bobby Conner to tell the people to buy bricks of ammunition. Pastor Joe Sweet also said God told him to bear arm.
Jo, will you stand before Jesus, on that day before the great White Throne Judgment as tell him what you just told me? Will this justify your actions because you heard what others said and did not ask the Spirit of the Lord for yourself? No one will be justified because of what they “heard” from others, regardless of who that person is or called themselves. Our salvation and deliverance does not come from what “men” say. We are to do as those people of that small Samaritan town did after they invited Jesus to stay with them for 2 days after the woman at the well told them about Jesus. They said, “Now we believe, not just because you told us but we have heard Him ourselves!” Unless you come to the Son of God and hear His voice ABOVE the clamor of others, you will never find the truth. Ask Him. The Holy Spirit was sent to LEAD us and GUIDE us into ALL TRUTH. No one else can do this. Only the Holy Spirit. It is not what that pastor said or that prophet said. If we live our lives only on what others say and never seek the Word of the Lord from the Spirit of the Lord, how can we stand in the day of testing and trial? As far as what Bobby Conner said or not, matters not. Even what I say, matters not, IF you do not go to the Holy Spirit and ask HIM what He says. If we do what the Holy Spirit tells US to do and are faithful to obey Him, we will receive everything that He promises to us personally. All any man or woman can do is give their testimony of their own witness of what they hear from the Spirit of Truth. You cannot walk in the revelation of truth given to me for faith does not come from MY testimony but from the actual HEARING of what the Holy Spirit is saying to YOU. It is that RHEMA (word), that living and now word from God that faith comes from because God is the One who initiates faith in us and enables us to walk in His Word. (Philippians 2:13).
Jerry, according to the word of God, it is a sin not to fight for justice. It is a sin not to fight for the name of God. King David fought against Goliath and beheaded him. Can you stand in front of God as a man and say when your wife was raped and taken as sex slave, you just stand there and pray?
Jo, you speak as one without understanding. I have told you many times now that faith in God, a real living faith in God where you recognize that He is your all in all, is all that is needed in the coming days. Yet you still trust in horses and chariots (the flesh and the strength of the flesh). Put your trust in God that He is willing to protect you. Do not live in fear. Jesus came into this world to destroy the works of the evil one and through faith in His finished work, we have peace and liberty but you speak as if that is not enough. You say we must arm ourselves but God says, “Not by might nor by power but BY MY SPIRIT” This too is in the OT but you are not seeing this truth. Put away from you your fears. God promises to protect those whom He loves and loves Him. If you say you love Him, then walk in obedience to all His commands. Those commands are those things He gives you through a “rhema” word by way of His Spirit. Trust His Holy Spirit to instruct you at the time you need it. He is faithful and promised to never leave you nor forsake you. God’s power is made more powerful when we do not rely on the arm of the flesh. Paul taught this — 2 Corinthians 12:9-10 (NKJV)
9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.— When we call upon the Lord in the midst of our distress, He responds and more grace is given. This grace spoken of here by Paul is not defined as “unmerited favor” but “God’s unlimited power working where we have no power.” Philippians 2:13 confirms this “for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.” — Jo, you said, “according to the word of God, it is a sin not to fight for justice. It is a sin not to fight for the name of God.” I ask you to give me your scriptural references for this (chapter and verse). Not generalizations. As for as your question to me, “Can you stand in front of God as a man and say when your wife was raped and taken as sex slave, you just stand there and pray?”. I say to you that IF that were to happen, it would happen ONLY because it was allowed by God. IF something like this were to happen, my first action is to incline my heart before the Lord to learn what He says about this. THEN, whatever He says to do or not do, I will obey Him. IF He says to let this happen, I will obey Him. IF He says to say or do something, then whatever He says for me to say or do, I will say or do. I will OBEY Him. You make LITTLE of prayer when it is the most powerful weapon God has given us for it puts us in direct communication with Him by which He can tell us what to do. You claim to have received the “fear of the Lord” but yet, you speak as a person who fears no one nor even God. I am His son and out of that relationship, He has called me to serve as a prophet to His body, the church. If you dishonor me, you are dishonoring Him who sent me. If you despise my words, they you dishonor His words He has instructed me to tell you. Do not dishonor the Lord nor mock His servants the prophets. You may choose to join others like Josey Wales (not his real name) and Jeff who have chosen to dishonor the Lord through their words speaking unbelief, doubt, dissent and false accusations but I strongly caution, do not join with these men. Their judgment, although delayed, is coming and they do not fear God for in their foolishness, the believe themselves to be untouchable. This is why they have no fear in attacking the truth and dismissing the word of God and in many places, perverting God’s word through their misinterpretations and dismissals. Do not do as they but repent. I see in you a true desire for the things of God but you are agreeing with the wrong ones. Separate yourself from their rhetoric for they speak of what they do not know. Theirs is an inconsistent testimony. By their own words, they show how unstable they are. James explains that a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. Jeff keeps referring to an event in his life that happened 40 years ago and uses this as his defense. This is because he has strayed from His relationship with the Holy Spirit. God only knows the reasons why but it is evidenced by his opposition to the word of the Lord presented to him and his defiance and stubbornness as well as his willingness to disparage another brother in Christ. A true son of God would not do as he did. A true son of God would entreat another brother, especially if it is known that that brother is a prophet. I have several prophetic words on this site and at no time has this man or Josey Wales disputed those prophetic words. Yet, they will attack me here in the issue of GUNS. They do this because they have hardened their hearts and have chosen where they will put their trust. I tell them they are in error and they hate me for that, as evidenced through their own words. The true test of a believer is how they present themselves to others. If you love those who hate you, then the love of God is in you. If you despise those who seek to correct you, the book of Proverbs describes you as a scoffer and a fool with a fool being defined as one who does not fear God. If I say to them they do not fear God, they cry that I cannot know their hearts yet the contents of their heart is on full display in this thread for all to see and sadly, I see many agreeing with them and through their agreement, they are standing WITH them and against the Word of the Lord I am giving as I am instructed to by My Lord. One even went so far as to say I was an agent of satan. Didn’t they accuse Jesus of the same thing because they did not want to hear the truth? Change your heart Jo. You are not speaking to just a man but to God’s servant.
Jerry, the ten spies out of 12 who refused to take up weapons and fight, God was so angry with them He killed them.
Jo, the scriptures do not say the “refused to take up weapons”. The scriptures say they refused to enter into the promised land because of their unbelief and it was BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF that God will fight for them, they turned away. All those who reject the Word of the Lord will perish. The scriptures are full of examples of this truth. I urge you to go back and read that account in the scriptures. You can find it here: Numbers chapters 13 & 14. Also, read Romans 11, the entire chapter. This speaks of how those same children of Israel were cut off because of their unbelief and even we, who believe, if we do not continue in our walk with the Lord, we too could be “cut off” because of the same reason, unbelief.
“Those who are from above do not have a need nor a use for weapons of destruction”……..you got that from II Corinthians 10:3 ? That’s were we disagree…….. I’m a born again Christian 40+ years, Holy Spirit filled and speak in tongues…. I feel you take scriptures that have nothing to do with guns. You take ONE story of 3 Hebrews that don’t happen to have a weapon thrown in a pit. You ignore the myriad of stories where weapons were involved in the OT…….. You tell me the disciples only carried swords for fulfillment of prophecy. How convenient…….. THEN YOU CONDEMN ANY WHO DISAGREE ?
Jeff, are you willing to use your guns to kill another in the defense of your life and the lives of your family? If you are, what is your biblical justification?
Ephesians 6 has nothing to do with weapons. Why do you take everything out of context to support your dislike of guns ?
Violence begins in the heart. The heart of Jesus is not about violence but about ministering reconciliation. Jesus said that He came to save man and not to destroy man.
You question the veracity of scripture. A true disciple of Christ will not do this? Are you a Christian Jeff? If so, why then do you not read the context of those scripture references I shared and see that I am not taking anything out of context. You can not understand the reference in Ephesians 6, then how about the following: — 2 Corinthians 10:3-6 (NKJV)
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled. — Those who are from above do not have a need nor a use for weapons of destruction. God is their shield and strong tower and He will protect them or have you not read the story of the 3 Hebrew young men who were cast into a fiery furnace but did not burn but those who cast them in perished because of the heat of those flames. They refused to bow down and worship the idol of that day and for that, they were bound and thrown into the furnace for their punishment but once in the flames, one like the Son of God was seen with them and these 3 walked out of that furnace untouched by the flame and without the smell of smoke on them. God delivered them. They were ready to die in either case because they refused to deny their faith in God. There will be many testimonies in the coming days of God’s great deliverance from evil men WITHOUT the use of weaponry. However, for those who trust in their guns for protection, they will not live to testify of their deliverance from evil men. God is calling for His people to prepare spiritually for what is coming and not according to the flesh. All those who seek to save their lives will lose them but those who lose their lives for Jesus’ will save their lives through Him.
Jeff, the only way through the evil that is about to fall on this land is through faith in Christ. Even if those who love the Lord die physically, this is not a tragedy as they will live forever with their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in a place that is more real and more alive than anything we see in this life on earth. There are many testimonies of those who have had a glimpse of heaven after having died or had a near death experience on YouTube. Search them out and you will hear their testimonies for yourself. You may dismiss them but I would caution you not to. These are real people with real experiences that cannot be explained away as easily as some want to try. Those who believe their testimony and act by repenting of their sins and asking Jesus to come into their lives to save them and allow Him to be Lord of their lives, will be saved but those who refuse, the wrath of God is already upon them.
Now Jeff, you are visiting this page for a reason. Perhaps you are curious. Most on this website are believers in Christ. Ask any of them and they will be happy to tell you of their own experience with the risen Christ. He is real. He is alive. And He IS God! The only way to know this is to ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Yes, it is as simple as that. He is standing ready to respond to any who calls upon His name and that name is Jesus.
Jerry You quote a whole lot of scriptures that aren’t at all talking about weapons to support your opinion.
When Jesus said, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. (Matthew 26:52). …….. The books of Mark, Luke, and John conveniently left that out ? Or did Matthew conveniently add that ?
Jeff, I’m confused. Five minutes before this post, you accused Jerry of taking the “live by the sword, die by the sword” scripture from Revelations. Now you’re saying it’s in Matthew. Matt 26:52 IS in the context that Jerry used it. Revelation 13:14 will show for search engines looking for both “sword” and “live” (or “life”), but it’s a completely different context, about the fatal wound of the beast. Is there another scripture that applies in Revelation? I couldn’t find it in the 8 or more versions I checked, but that obviously isn’t all. Would appreciate knowing which scripture you were referring to. ….. Secondly, with respect, either the Bible is the inerrant word of God or it isn’t. (Granting differences in translation, which arise due to language and culture differences. It’s difficult to express a concept in a language which has no words for it, so sometimes one idea just doesn’t come across the same in one language as another.) So if the authors wrote without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, it is not the inerrant word of God. But if they did (which is what I believe, based on a plethora of reasons), it is. Why couldn’t the Spirit direct this one or that one to write about some of the same things and some different things, since they were writing to different audiences with different backgrounds, cultures, and levels of understanding? The four gospels include Many instances in which they don’t “match up,” but that doesn’t make one of them wrong.
Debra I wasn’t going to respond about the differences in the books but since you asked…… My reference was showing the different descriptions of 4 authors telling the sword story. Only Matt said Jesus rebuked Peter……… Now tell me Debra regarding the story of Jesus’s tomb why they all tell a different story………. Was there (1) angel sitting outside on a rock ? (1) angel inside ? Or (2) angels inside ? Which was it Debra ? I’m sure, besides mentioning I spoke in tongues 40 years ago I’ll again be called a heretic by those who obviously are better Christians……. Like I said before, I question everything.
Jeff, what you need to understand about the 4 gospels and the sometimes slight differences between some of them is that God is using the same truth established in the OT law. Out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let all the facts be established. The story of the blind man/men on the road to Jericho, one says 2 blind men, a second says a certain blind man and the 3d identifies the blind man by name. They all are speaking of the same event but each from a different perspective. Reading all accounts gives a completed picture. THIS is why we are instructed in 1 Cor. 14 to let 2 or 3 prophets speak and continues to allow everyone to speak. One receives a portion and while speaking, another receives another portion and if all those who received a portion speaks, we have a complete message from the Spirit of the Lord. —— There is one more reason for 4 Gospels. It was prophesied through Ezekiel’s vision. He saw something with 4 faces. — Ezekiel 1:10 (NKJV)
10 As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. — Each of those “faces” represents an aspect of Jesus. What Ezekiel saw in His vision was the PRE-incarnate Son of God with each aspect revealing something of His nature according to the Spirit. The Holy Spirit instructed Matthew, Mark (through Peter), Luke and John to write what they wrote. As John said, there would not have been enough books in the world to contain all that Jesus did in the time He ministered on this earth. So the Holy Spirit guided them according to His wisdom and not the wisdom of man. To discount one’s testimony because it is different than another’s is YOUR error. Not everyone had a seat front row and center to see everything the same way and even if they did, they would be able to see only from their own unique perspective. This is by design. God’s design.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprecatory_Psalms………….In the OT, the saints did PHYSICAL warfare, on a PHYSICAL battlefield, with a PHYSICAL sword……….but in the NT, the saints do Spiritual war against Spiritual enemies (demons, diseases) with a Spiritual sword (Scripture)………….the OT is a shadow of the NT………the least NT saint is greater than the greatest OT prophet………the imprecatory Psalms spoke curses against men, which was a shadow of NT warfare against demons+diseases……Luke 9;1………www.demonbuster.com………www.theelijahchallenge.org
Jerry says….[ That time He told His disciples to buy swords was to fulfill prophecy ONLY. When Peter used his sword, Jesus quickly REBUKED him saying that those who “live by the sword shall die by the sword”. ]……. First, you have proof they carried swords ONLY to fulfill a prophecy ? …… Second, Jesus did NOT make that comment. He only told Peter to stop….. you took that “live by the sword” phrase from Revelations. Stop piecing together scriptures to advance your beliefs……… I have a real problem with people who “never saw a gun they liked” attitude. It is NOT scriptural. The mere fact that the most evil men in history ALWAYS first took away the citizens arms tells me Satan does not want you to have the freedom of self defense.
CORRECTION:
So, all those who advocate for the use of natural weaponry and violence are NOT speaking from the Spirit of the Lord…
Jerry, tell me if Abraham did not bear arm and rescue Lot. What will happen to Lot and the women?
Genesis 14 (NIV)
Abram Rescues Lot
11 The four kings seized all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah and all their food; then they went away. 12 They also carried off Abram’s nephew Lot and his possessions, since he was living in Sodom.
13 A man who had escaped came and reported this to Abram the Hebrew. Now Abram was living near the great trees of Mamre the Amorite, a brother[b] of Eshkol and Aner, all of whom were allied with Abram. 14 When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he called out the 318 trained men born in his household and went in pursuit as far as Dan. 15 During the night Abram divided his men to attack them and he routed them, pursuing them as far as Hobah, north of Damascus. 16 He recovered all the goods and brought back his relative Lot and his possessions, together with the women and the other people.
Jo, there is a far difference today than it was in Abraham’s day. God made a covenant with Abraham but with us, He made a NEW covenant and under this NEW covenant, we are called to be ministers of reconciliation. Jesus told all of us, through His disciples, that in the world, you shall have tribulation but to be of good cheer, He has overcome the world. We are also called to overcome the world and we are told how in the book of Revelations: — Revelation 12:11 (NKJV) “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.–– When Jesus said, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. (Matthew 26:52). When James and John, the sons of thunder, asked Jesus if they should call down fire from heaven to consume them, Jesus rebuked them saying, — Luke 9:55-56 (NKJV)
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 “For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”— Even Paul the apostle did not advocate violence in the preaching of the gospel having suffered greatly for his testimony but taught that our fight is not against flesh and blood…— Ephesians 6:12-18 (KJV)
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; — So, all those who advocate for the use of natural weaponry and violence are NOT speaking from the Spirit of the Lord but are speaking from another spirit. Do not give them heed nor allow them to bait you or intimidate you. Do not fear men and what they may say to you or do to you but fear Him who can put both body and soul into hell. Walk, therefore, in the fear of the Lord and obey what His Spirit says for you to do. Do not walk according to the flesh or to the dictates of the flesh for if you do, you will heap condemnation upon yourself and cast yourself away from that grace of God which is readily available to all who walk in obedience to the Spirit of God but wrath is reserved for the disobedient.
Jerry, I used to think we are under a new covenant, not an old one, so I thought the old testament do not apply to us anymore. But God convicted and rebuked me that the old testament still apply today, so I started to read the old testament in details. I am so amazed I learned God’s ways a lot more by reading the old testament. God is a warrior. He loves a good fight. God on purpose hardened the heart of Pharaoh so that He can bring judgement on his enemies. God’s Word never change. As a woman, I am very disappointed to hear some Christian men saying we are not defending the weak, we just trust God. What’s that mean? So we women need to physically fight for our lives because Christian men are telling me God is love.Your belief make us women feel very vulnerable. According to the Word of God, it is not a sin to defend. Exodus22 : 2 “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed” . If God want me to be a martyr, so be it. But I do not want to die before my time. Yes, God is our refuge, but God also “trains my fingers for battle”. Psalm 144
“1 Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
2 He is my loving God and my fortress,my stronghold and my deliverer my shield, in whom I take refuge,
who subdues peoples[a] under me.”
Jo, since Jesus came and established a new covenant with man, we are called to walk as He walked (— 1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.) Jesus walked according to the guidance of the Spirit of God. He did nothing of His own accord but as He saw and as He heard, He both acted and spoke. Nothing He did was initiated out of His own will but all from the will of the Father as the Father was in constant communication with the Son. We are called to walk as He walked in the ministry of reconciliation. There is no place for the taking up of arms to defend oneself in this. If this were true, then we would be reading in the New Testament gospels and letters attesting to this call to physical arms for defense. Yet, Jesu told His disciples that He was sending them out as “sheep” among “wolves”. He said that if they hated Him, they will hate them as well. With this in mind, can anyone find where Jesus explicitly tells His disciples to take up arms to defend themselves? When He told them to buy weapons and one said there were two swords, He said that this was enough to fulfill scripture. If He really advocated to use weapons for self defense, why did He stop at just 2 swords. There were 12 disciples, not counting the women. Only 2 swords would not have been sufficient to defend against those who came to arrest Jesus. They were far too many of them and a slaughter would have take place. No Jo. Jesus never advocated violence nor did any of His apostles. If they did advocate the acquiring of and use of weaponry, why then did they all die a martyr’s death except for John? Why did Paul suffer so greatly as he did and never fought back? The lessons in the Old Testament are for our examples to reveal the nature of the Father and to reveal Jesus His Son. The lessons in the OT are to be seen today as revealing the types and shadows of the truth that was later to be revealed in the Son. That law in the OT of an eye for an eye was replaced by Jesus when He said: — Matthew 5:38-42 (NKJV)
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 “But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 “And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 “Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away. — Jesus goes further and says: — Matthew 5:43-45 (NKJV)
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 “that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. — Jo, I can continue to give what the Holy Spirit is telling me to give you as an answer or you can go one better, Ask Him yourself whether what I am sharing with you is truth.
Agreed Jerry. Some are a resounding gong and a clanging cymbal! Jerry you must do what the LORD puts in your heart or reveals to you and not be bullied by others. Even If they have a Clint Eastwood western box set collection
Thank you John. I’ve been persecuted by others greater than him. I will not be intimidated and most certainly from a movie character. He has shown his true colors in his response and now, all may see that this person is not one of our brethren for what brother in Christ would speak as he spoke. His shame can now be seen clearly by all. There will be more like him with far worse rhetoric than his. We must stand fast in our faith and give no heed to such things. Remember, we are to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. We are called to wise as serpents but innocent as doves.
Amen. Thank you, Jerry. You said it better than I was going to; I’m glad I kept reading to find your comment first.
Debra You, your family and ancestors would not be here if those before you had not fought for our freedoms. Jesus was here then. The same scriptures were here then. This wasn’t the OT. It was NOW. 200 years is nothing to God. The ONLY thing that’s changed is everyone’s liberal (satanic) perception…….. Without God’s brave souls fighting for this country there would be no NT Israel…….. If you agree with that one point then tell me exactly when my God changed His views. Again, we’re NOT talking OT but recent NT God.
Good point, Jeff. Likewise Israel has had to defend itself in war several times. God fought for them (West Point refuses to teach on any Israeli wars because they are all too impossible), but the soldiers had to fight too. Clearly this is an issue I need to spend more prayer time on. Thanks for the response.
Debra and Jeff, none of you understand what I am saying. Seek God for your protection and DO WHAT HE TELLS YOU TO DO but DO NOT assume you KNOW what He wants and seek to protect yourself and your families through the use of force. Jesus says to LOVE your enemies and PRAY for those who spitefully use you and to forgive those who offend you. If someone takes something from you, do not ask for it back. If someone SLAPS you on one cheek, offer to him the other… This is “violence” against you and you are commanded NOT TO defend yourself but to give to him the “other cheek”. Does He mean that this applies only when they actually just “slap” you or is He talking about “committing violence” against you. [[i. e. appointed for sprinkling (serving to purify)
g4474. ῥαπίζω rhapizō; from a derivative of a primary ῥέπω rhepō (to let fall, “rap”); to slap:— smite (with the palm of the hand). Compare 5180.
AV (2)- smite 1, smite with the palm of (one’s) hand 1;
to smite with a rod or staff to smite in the face with the palm of the hand, to box the ear. (STRONG) — Notice the word used to “slap” also means to strike with a rod or staff, box the ear. This implies different forms of violence from one person to another. —
Israel has not entered into the New Covenant and as such, are still under the Old Covenant, an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Our country, although started by those who sought to throw off oppression and most Christian men, did pray and seek the Lord and we do not have a record of whether they HEARD God’s word or they PRESUMED upon God. Even in the Old Testament, there are many examples of God’s power being manifested in incredible miraculous ways. Jehoshaphat was told by God, in essence, “I got this”. In other words, the battle is not yours but Mine.
Why is it so difficult to believe that God not only CAN defend us but WANTS to and that IF we put our trust in Him alone, we will not have a NEED for weaponry of any kind? I’ve said this over and over but what do I hear, “oh yeah, we are just supposed to believe God will protect us miraculously and we do nothing.” — WHY DO YOU MOCK GOD! Don’t you realize that if you mock God, He will mock you? It is in His Word. Jeff says I am satanic but Jesus was accused the same way. So I am greatly blessed that I should be mocked and falsely accused in the same way my Lord was. Jesus DID say that His followers will be treated the same way as He was. This is not surprising to me but to see those who call themselves by His name speaking in this manner? I can hear Jesus’ words as He spoke to those who did as you do now, He rebuked them because they did not recognize their time. If YOU bite and devour another who is trying to tell you the truth, where do you differ from the unbeliever. Don’t they do the same?
Go back and read my words. The call to faith in God is NOT an EMPTY faith but one that is proven as I shared my testimony but you refuse to believe me. Those who made little of what I said in putting your trust in God’s ability to protect you show you do not know the Father. This is why you cannot recognize my words. Had you known the Father, you would be able to hear my words. This is why I say you do not know my Father. You say I cannot know your heart but yet you speak the contents of your heart which reveals what is truly in your heart and there IS NO KNOWLEDGE of the Father seen. YOU refer to other events in our history but do not reference God’s unerring Word. It is as if you are placing the experiences of this world above those shown in God’s word where He fought for Israel. You neglect to say how God delivered Israel out of their bondage to Egypt and Israel did not have weaponry to fight back nor did God require them to have weaponry. They were slaves in Egypt and when God sent His servant Moses, His message to the children of Israel was to BELIEVE but His message to pharaoh was a command to “Let My people go!” Even when pharaoh came to destroy the children of Israel with his mighty army, God destroyed them all and at no time was Israel required to defend themselves. You cite Joshua and Israel fighting against Jericho but he did this in OBEDIENCE to the instruction of the Lord. God told them He would go before them and put His fear in the hearts of those they were commanded to displace.
CAN GOD protect us without the use of weaponry? YES! He has demonstrated this for us in the OT. DOES GOD WANT to protect us without the use of weaponry? YES but ONLY if you BELIEVE and TRUST Him. If you cannot or will not, you will not be protected. It is a matter of FAITH and without faith, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. — Where am I twisting scriptures here? HOW am I not speaking the truth here? If you cannot believe these words, then where is your faith? When Jesus comes again, will He find faith on the earth? (Luke 18:8)
What’s with comparing this to persecution ? This is a discussion about individual choices. Choices made by God fearing Christians who are seeking God. You can throw all the scriptures you want Jerry. I know them all. I prayed and sought God’s will for a long time when I first found Jesus. I thought I was suppose to go to seminary school (at least that was my desire). Well that wasn’t God’s plan…… God doesn’t want everyone to be a preacher and God doesn’t want everyone to be defenseless…… If all the Founding Fathers followed your advice there would be NO America. That’s right, no New Testament Israel. You wouldn’t be here nor your ancestors. You wouldn’t have ANYTHING to compare your OT scriptures to……. Imagine that, no NT Israel.
I strongly caution everyone to NOT HEED the counsel of Josey Wales (I don’t believe this to be his/her real name, just something to “hide” behind). Jesus NEVER advocates for His church to “bear arms”. That time He told His disciples to buy swords was to fulfill prophecy ONLY. When Peter used his sword, Jesus quickly REBUKED him saying that those who “live by the sword shall die by the sword”. We are not to fight a “war” through natural means. Besides, what is coming is not a natural war but a supernatural war where the demonic forces will be fully unleashed and the ONLY defense any believer will have is their FAITH in Christ and OBEDIENCE to His Spirit. {Revelation 2:10 (NKJV) Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.} About what Josey Wales is saying, understand what he is REALLY advocating: Do pray and trust the Lord first but afterwards, take matters into your own hands. He is not saying those “exact words” but this is what I hear by the Spirit when he speaks. Once you turn to the use of violence, you may be a “patriot” in the eyes of the world but in the eyes of the Father, you have turned from the faith and chose to trust in “horses and chariots”. {Psalm 20:7-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses;
But we will remember the name of the Lord our God.
8 They have bowed down and fallen;
But we have risen and stand upright.
9 Save, Lord!
May the King answer us when we call.} Horses represent the flesh and chariots the strength of the flesh. Trust in the Lord and live IN that secret place of the Most High (Psalms 91)
Townsfolk of High Plains Drifter … Mr. “Berg,” can ONLY be one of 2 things. 1. A mentally ill religious nut, or, 2. A paid government troll. The nut / troll is actually telling you to NOT defend your wives and children when “they” come after you, to rape her, take them and kill you. So “Berg,” talk to your doctor about weaning off the psycho tropic happy pills, or … find another less traitorous government job. I understand there’s LOT’S of government work out there these days. But don’t misread Gods Word in such a stupid retarded manner, that you distort it to mean He’d want you to let ISIS jihadists rape and cut the hearts out of your family, while you, “stand by and have faith !!!” They call that, “being a girly man.” 🙂 Now get back over to MSNBC where you belong, and leave the “townsfolk” alone ! Good Lord have mercy !
I actually enjoyed, Josey Wales, comments. I felt they were stated with good humor (about a serious subject) and I believe G-d has a good sense of humor. Forgive me, but I believe that a lack of an ability to find humor is a sign of a lack of love (which no amount of quoting of scriptures can erase). I actually agree with Jo’s and Jeff’s comments. I personally feel that a man who will not defend women and children does not meet my definition of a man, but I respect others right to disagree with me. It is such a blessing that this is such an open forum, of true brethren, that each can share their position without resorting to excommunicating each other from the faith. These are serious times, but I frankly needed a good laugh and I laughed so hard at Josey Wales’ comments until my stomach hurt. If having a sense of humor is also deemed sinful, then I will have to ask forgiveness for that, as well. The L-rd is so good.
Agreed. A man is not a man if he refuses to protect women and children.
To say putting one’s faith in the ability and power of an all powerful and loving God is not the ultimate in caring for and protecting one’s spouse and family, then somewhere along the line, I missed something. Putting one’s trust and faith in God releases the most powerful weapon ever created and it is God’s unmatchable power. I have witnessed His power many times in my life and have complete assurance of His protection for me and my family. Trusting in God does not leave one defenseless but it DOES leave those who depend on their devices of destruction completely defenseless. God has shown this in His word time and time again. If God is there to protect you as He did Lot and his family and would not let those evil men take him and his family by causing them to become blind, then nothing evil men would want to do can touch you. For those who cannot see this, I implore you to search the scriptures and see God’s power working on behalf of those who trust Him. Do not let unbelief prevent you from seeing the truth. Even the scriptures say, “Some trust in chariots and some in horses but I will remember the Lord my God.” Why? Because He is the most powerful being to ever exist and He loves us IF we believe in Him and TRUST Him. For those who refuse, He will never PUSH Himself on you and will let you suffer because you REFUSE to trust the promises He gives to those who DO trust Him.
So which is worse, a man who thinks he can protect his family with a gun or a man who calls upon the mightiest being to ever exist and ask Him to protect him, his spouse and his family. God is real. His promises are real. And He is faithful to all who put their trust in Him. Those who put their trust in their own ability will fail but those who put their trust in God will never stumble or fall or fail. THIS is the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jerry, trusting in God does not mean DO NOTHING and just expect supernatural protection (even though I do believe in miracles). Noah built an Ark. He did physically prepared what was coming. Can you condemn Noah because he was building an Ark? Building an ark does not mean he was trusting chariots and horses. It does not mean he didn’t trust God and took matter into his own hand. If you believe we are under the new covenant and the old testament is old and not current, please rip off the old testament and put it in the bin. God convicted and rebuked me strongly for not reading the old testament. I was told in church over and over again we are under the new covenant, under grace, and so I thought I did not really need to read and understand the old testament. But God rebuked me strongly for not reading the old testament and told me HIS WORD NEVER PASS AWAY. EVEN HEAVAN AND EARTH WILL PASS AWAY, HIS WORD WILL NEVER PASS AWAY. Mark 13 :31 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” His words included the old testament. The old testament is also the Word of God. A lot of end time prophecies are in the old testament. The more I read the old testament, the more I find it very relevant to our time, end time. Our warfare is NOT JUST SPIRITUAL, IT IS GOING TO BE PHYSICAL. Jesus is not coming back as a baby, HE IS COMING BACK AS A WARRIOR, AS THE KING OF KINGS. It was his destiny to die on the cross, that’s why He rebuked Peter for telling him not to die. But Jesus is not coming back as a baby, He is coming back as a warrior to fight for His Bride. Revelation 19 :11 “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and WAGES WAR.” Revelation 19:16 “On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to WAGE WAR against the rider on the horse and his army.” God told the birds to eat the flesh of the kings and generals. This is a PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL WARFARE.
Israel will not be on the map if Israel did not fight. If taking weapons means not trusting God, Israel should not have IDF.
To Jo
Jo, you are missing the point. If you trust in God, He will direct your steps, that is, give you instructions. Each time my life was threatened, He told me what to do or say (these are those actions you refer to). I’ve explained this before but you are so intent on finding fault with me that you are not “seeing” those answers. Faith without works is dead but faith followed with that proof of faith, called works, is alive. I do not, as you say, believe and do nothing. I OBEY whatever God tells me to do. He just does not tell me to get a gun to protect myself and my family. Why? Because HE says, “I got this!” If God says this, then why should I doubt Him. It is YOU and others who are mocking what I say because you do not believe. I know my Father and can trust Him. You do not know Him, that is why you cannot trust Him to protect you. You trust in what you can see, I trust in Him whom you cannot see. I know you will reject this because I say you do not believe nor can you see but the devil has blinded the eyes of your understanding. I have NEVER said I trust the Lord and did nothing. I OBEYED all that He said for me to do. This is what I’ve been trying to tell others but they too cannot see or hear and seek to find fault. I am speaking the truth but you cannot see it. Even if I say I am saying the same thing you are saying, meaning, faith with works, you still cannot see this. All those who say they believe in God will be instructed BY God in what they are to do and IN OBEDIENCE, do what He says. Noah obeyed God in building the ark. This was NOT Noah’s idea but God’s and he OBEYED. This is faith in action. Why can’t you believe that God can protect you without your guns? It is because you have not believed Him nor do you seek Him for what HE says you should do. You are doing what others are saying but not getting it from God. You read the scriptures but you still do not understand that all they did in response to God that got those results you speak of is through OBEYING the instructions of God. The issue of the validity of the Old Testament is not the issue here in this discussion. You brought this in. The only comment I made about the Old Testament was when some brought up examples of how David fought and others but they were under the OLD COVENANT but we are under a NEW COVENANT with BETTER PROMISES. In this new covenant, we do not need to fight to defend ourselves. The ONLY reason Israel has had to fight is because they have NOT entered into the NEW COVENANT. Once they do, THEIR battles in this realm will be over as God will fight FOR THEM, just as He did with Jehoshaphat. Many times God sent His angels to destroy those who were Israel’s enemies when Israel was NOT ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. God knows that what is coming is beyond OUR ABILITIES AND STRENGTH and so He promises to fight for us IF we put our trust in Him. Those who choose to put their trust in their own abilities and strengths will FALL. ONLY those who put their FULL TRUST IN GOD’S ABILITY AND STRENGTH will be able to endure. Why is this so hard to believe?
David trusted in the Lord of Hosts, but he still slung the stone. The important thing is to do as the Spirit leads.
Agreed Mike. Under the Old Covenant, David was shown what to do by the Holy Spirit. We must remember that we are under a NEW COVENANT which is BETTER than the Old Covenant. We still, however, must do as the Spirit reveals to us to do but we must not make assumptions as so many do today. Many call their presumptions faith when God never told them to do what they are doing. God is the only One who can address this as He has already sent His friends, the prophets, to warn them but if they refused those whom God has sent, then certain judgment will come upon all those who walk in disobedience. We cannot do what we “think” is right for it is not in man that walks to direct his own way. Yet, men still walk in the counsel of their own minds, even after coming to Christ. — Isaiah 30:1-3 (NKJV)
1 “Woe to the rebellious children,” says the LORD,
“Who take counsel, but not of Me,
And who devise plans, but not of My Spirit,
That they may add sin to sin;
2 Who walk to go down to Egypt,
And have not asked My advice,
To strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh,
And to trust in the shadow of Egypt!
3 Therefore the strength of Pharaoh
Shall be your shame,
And trust in the shadow of Egypt
Shall be your humiliation.—
EXCELLENT post and true Word from the LORD. We are heading into some AMAZING times with the LORD, if we have but the faith of a mustard seed. Just read about all of the miracles, signs and wonders throughout the Bible to build up your faith. If some barely can pay bills and can’t afford to “stock up” (except maybe an extra bag of rice and a can of soup): pray over that. Remember the story of the little boy’s lunch of loaves and fishes and how it fed over 5000, WITH LEFTOVERS. There’s also the widow and her son who used the last little bit of oil and flour to make some food for the prophet . . . she was blessed with oil that wouldn’t stop flowing until the last borrowed jar was filed. Don’t forget about all of the DAILY manna and water in the desert for the multitudes of grumbling, ungrateful Israelites (but we need to remember not to grumble and be ungrateful, or BAM!! There goes a sink hole, right under our feet and BAM. . down we go . . YIKES). So, Build up your Holy Faith and get ready for some amazing times, in the midst of the WORST times this planet has ever seen.
Of course praying and trusting The Lord is the first and most important thing to do. Right after that would be to ARM UP, STOCK UP, JOIN A LOCAL MILITIA IF NECESSARY. If every Jew would’ve. “shot 3 Nazis” each when they came for them it would’ve ended in a week. Don’t pray but then lay on a park bench, ( so to speak, ) and expect God to do everything for your pansy, ( townsfolk of the movie High Plains Drifter, ) selves !!!! Everyone of you will be a soldier in what’s to come. Now get off that bench and report to : RLEEERMEY.COM
And don’t forget to pray over all of your “supplies”. . You’ll need some supernatural, Holy Spirit protection and the Angels of Heaven to do some amazing exploits. Imagine: DARPA has bullets that can go around the corner. . . “exoskeleton” armour that prevents bullets from penetrating . .. fallen angel technology and more they don’t even disclose. . . BUT GOD IS ON OUR SIDE. He certainly can take a poor shot and make that bullet do a loop-de-loop and hit multiple targets. He can also do a “Philip transport” and remove a person right out of the midst of a bad situation. Or He could pull an “invisibility” situation, like He did with Jesus, who made his way through the crowd of people that wanted to throw Him off the cliff. and don’t forget the “Elisha option”, where he prayed for the LORD to strike the enemies blind and the LORD certainly answered those prayers. OH YES. . . stock up as led, don’t give in and give up and believe in, expect and trust for the Supernatural POWER of the Holy Spirit.