Flee This Babylon and Be Clean

This I meant Julie http://www.tentmaker.org/

Also You don’t choose God He chooses you.

God chooses anyone only because they first choose HIM.. “Many are called but few are chosen” . The chosen here, refers to those who were called to come to Him from amongst the larger population who were ALSO called as well.. but only few responded.

It is you can’t serve God and Mammon, but same principle. God calls us, but we still have a choice to make….

We may each have a choice to make, but Mr. Whalley’s point is borne out in Scripture:

“And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.” (Mark 13:20)

I understand, and I’m not trying to split theological hairs and get into the predestination debate my brothers. I should have included that God chooses us (by His grace), works in us, and makes it possible to choose Him (through faith). My point though is that a choice must be made by us in regards to who we serve. God bless!

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Isaiah 43:25
“I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake, And I will not remember your sins.

Jeremiah 31:34
“They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Romans 11:27
And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
Hebrews 10:17
Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”

Please forgive me if I have completely missed your point, but if you are implying that God will save unbelievers, those that have knowledge of the Gospel but openly reject His Son unto death, you believe in a false doctrine. The only way to salvation is through faith in Jesus, plain and simple.

“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:16

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6

“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

“I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin” (Acts 13:38–39).

“This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe” (Romans 3:22).

“And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46)

“But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!” (Luke 12:5)

“How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)

I,m not implying it ,I am saying that is what I believe. what you believe is false to me. God is the judge not me. Hey Its my soul. show me one scripture translated properly that the pagan word hell is right I will repent and believe you. I will put my trust in Came to be the saviour of the world.

REALLY, I did say I was trying to convince no one.
psalm 139.8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell {sheol}, behold, thou art there..
Romans 8:39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all …

… neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate
us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. …

I don’t need convincing I wait until God shows me Himself then get the two witnesses’ I see we have a Rabbi who posts on here. lets ask her what Jews think. I just did a quick check and I found plenty rabbie’s do not agree with your statement they say that they DO believe in a type of hell but not the one found in comic books, one Rabbis comment not mine. We have plenty of Bible scholars on here pastors and the such What do they think.? Any way I dont want to upset you I am happy for you to believe what you believe. It is between God and you. I will leave the link to the Rabbis site. so you dont think I am making it up.http://www.chabad.org/default.asp I am not an expert on Jews dont know if this is a good site or not but there are more God bless you.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that the Holy Spirit led you to tentmaker.org. The organization teaches the false doctrine of Christian Universalism. It contradicts the teachings in the New Testament and underminds the basic tenants of Christianity. It also goes against the early church fathers and a thousand plus years of church history.
“I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”(John 8:24)

I strongly urge you to heed the words of Galatians 1:8 regarding false teachings:
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
Even Jesus said there would be false teachings and false christs.

Had this simply been a disagreement between what eternal punishment or hell would actually be like, I would just say peace be with you. However, believing in something like this could have dangerous consequences. If everyone is ultimately saved, then it wouldn’t really matter how people live their life, what they do, or what they believe. Everyone could go on willfilly sinning, there would be no need for faith and really no need to know Jesus. There would be no reason to share the gospel or evangelize. Unbelievers and wicked men like Adolph Hitler would suffer no consequences for their terrible deeds and also for rejecting God. This conversation would ultimately mean nothing.

If you can believe that, then I pray that you find a church or ministry that teaches sound Christian doctrine and reach out to a pastor to talk about these things.

I don’t mean to contend with you brother, but my spirit won’t let me rest on this one. God bless!

Ok Casey God bless. Just to say I was shown what I believe from the Bible 10 years ago. not by man. But I don’t want your spirit to be troubled so take care. I never said there are no consequences the judgment of our Lord is very serious indeed and I wont make a judgement about Adolph Hitler Gods the Judge and He allows the Devil to use people. I am secure in what I believe. God is my judge and I stand before Him and say have mercy on me a hopeless sinner. blessings all

Also Give to Caesar what is Ceaesars.

What about no one can come to me unless THE FATHER DRAGS him,

Also try telling that to Jonah. I am not having A go at anyone, if I am wrong I will admit it. if you don’t want to discuss it I will shut up. God bless. I prayed about this last night, I have believed these scriptures since I started reading the Bible, not been a Christian that long, God told me through someone at a Church I was in that God is going to show me Himself and He did that was my call out. I prayed last night and The Holy Spirit showed me this site today.http://www.tentmaker.org/

Please consider ALL the relevant scriptures:

Revelation 14:9–11. “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Revelation 14:10–11. “He (the believer in the beast) shall be tormented the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest (anapausis, Thayer, 40, also Liddell and Scott) day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Isaiah 66:24 Young’s Literal Translation (YLT):
24 And they have gone forth, And looked on the carcases of the men Who are transgressing against me, For their worm dieth not, And their fire is not quenched, And they have been an abhorrence to all flesh!

what happened to their spirit? can spirfspirfit dke. God is spirit

spirit die. also the Fire and Brimstone would thee brimstone be the sulpher or the butterfly? If God expects us to love our enemies why should I loved mine that would not be fair.

Spirit does not die. But as God is Spirit without beginning, we are created spirit with a beginning.

But we come to God on His terms and understanding not ours.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith Jehovah.
Isaiah 55:8

If you come to God thinking one thing and His Word states another – change your thoughts! We are not to tell God what is truth – He tells us!

IN the beginning was the word. you know the rest which no begining is this then. you come to God thinking one thing and His Word states another – change your thoughts! We are not to tell God what is truth – He tells us! I am not telling God what is truth He is telling me. still waiting for a correct translation of hell. no dont bother I dont see much different on this site than in the local churches take care.

Revelation 14:9–11.
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice,
If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Scripture is clear – hell is fire and brimstone for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

The lake of fire is the final hell- after all judgements are complete.

Full context again – reveals Christ is God and has not beginning

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Hello Ray. I noticed you posted a site tentmaker.org.
This caught my attention immediately. I learned so very much from that site when I was searching for truth. I am not at all surprised that The Lord led you to that site. Gary Amirault (i think his name is) is one of the best bible teachers I have ever known and you will start off on very good footing. Gary is just one of many contributors on that site but I am convinced they are all led by God’s Holy Spirit. Bless you brother.

Hello,
your note caught my eye & I briefly looked at that site. If my short visit is accurate it looks like he teaches Christian Universalism – basically the belief that all humanity is ultimately saved.
be a wise consumer of the teaching you consume!
all the best.

terrible thought that Jesus actually coming what He came to do.

Aside from the son of perdition and the angels reserved unto judgment, I would agree that it’s possible. Unlikely, but possible.

doing

It may seem remarkable, but no Bible spokesman places more stress on hell as the final consequence of God’s judgment of condemnation than Jesus. God’s Son was the great theologian of hell.

https://www.crossway.org/blog/2014/05/what-did-jesus-teach-about-hell/

Hi B Raggie God showed me all that is on the site I mentioned 10 years ago, and used other but similar things and before that just me him and the Bible. I was reading all this and I have learned loads of this site and Agree with a lot. I love the passion for things. My first check in the spirit came when I kept hearing a couple of people saying their prophecies and then refusing to have a theological argument after just condemning most of mankind to hell. There are children reading this, I had some questions I know they are busy people but if they cant give a reply except in a private email do they really want to be causing confusion. there is a test on that site that all Christians should take on there belief of hell. I dare you. I am just saying what I believe. not asking anyone one else to test the spirits. If God is all and in all and hell is cast into the lake of fire what is the lake of fire. My answer I get is God is a consuming fire. study to show yourself approved. Love to you.

The sixth chapter of John is one of my favorite Gospel chapters.

Do you know about the Nephilim and the geber, and the purpose of Noah’s flood, and the angels reserved unto judgment mentioned in Jude?

Is there anything odd about eating and drinking, and marrying and giving in marriage, as in the days of Noah?

Do you know why Genesis contains two accounts of creation of man?

Why would God send strong delusion, so some would believe a lie?

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” If those who are chosen are at risk of being deceived, then what, praytell, of those who are called but not chosen? Examine closely “elect” as a noun.

In the following verse, ignore, for a moment, the “beast,” and see what is revealed:
“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.” (Rev. 17:8)

I’m sorry, but your point isn’t clear to me.

“…not willing…” is the “prefers” part. God does not will that anyone perish, but He will not force anyone to love Him, nor forcibly prevent anyone from turning away from Him.

As far as sheol or gehenna go, these would not destroy a soul, but only God can. “For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.” (Deut. 4:24)

I don’t get the prefers bit Dean that’s all .God will or wills. I didn’t come to condemn the World I came to Save the World. My question is basically Did He fail. God bless dean. Wish we could have this conversation face to face, sometimes I can sound harsh when I speak, so it must come over .on here worse. My bark is worse than my bite, since I lost my top teeth. 🙂

No worries, Mr. Whalley, I perceive no edge to your tone whatsoever. Ditto, face-to-face conversation.

He came to save the world, but, isn’t that different than enslaving the world to Himself? Love of God must be freely given by us, individually, or we’re little better to Him than the realistic, life-sized dolls one can buy from Japan are to us.

If He shows me His love, and shows me the way to salvation and eternal life, but then I still choose to turn away from Him, then, would that be His failure?

Amen

Javita, I pray God have mercy, and let your will be done. I pray God to have mercy, please do not allow some of these wicked schemes to go forrwad. But if you God have had enough, and judgment must come then spare those seeking you.

I realized a while back, somethings must happen, because we have crossed the line, or it’s fulfilling Bible prophcey. And other things don’t have to happen, if we be obedient to God, and pray against the enemy. This is why I shaped my prayer life knowing this.

I’ve felt like Mary, below and Javita. The 3 things I’ve finally prayed are 1) Keep us from being deceived! 2) Wake up YOUR people! 3) Do whatever it takes to STOP the wickedness. A hard one, but, ultimately Jesus returns!

Thank you Matt, because I have felt the same way as Javita, and guilty for doing so.

Pray like Daniel. Repent on behalf of evil perpetrators, prayer less Christians and any other national sins and then exalt Jesus that satan’s plans are thwarted. If we only curse the darkness we are useless. “If MY people who are called by MY name will humble themselves and pray…then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land”
Pray that what the enemy meant for evil God will be used for good.
Lord. I repent for prayerlessness in our nation!

Sadly, though, Mimi, I think 2 Chron. 7:14 is over. Not for individuals, but as a nation; there comes a time where there’s no remedy. Jeremiah 15:1: Then said the Lord unto me, “Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth.” 🙁

Also in Ezekiel, God says twice: “Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.”

Our father who art in. Thy will be done. etc, etc, blessings.